DallasAg 94 said:

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Proposition Joe said:

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"Sell out" is an antiquated term. The #1 goal of these teams isn't to sell every seat in the stadium, it's to maximize short-term and long-term profit from every seat.

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Yes and No... LAAA owner Art Moreno reduced the capacity of Angels Stadium, in order to drive ticket prices up. He wanted a higher end fan and took out capacity to reduce the "cheap seats" and push towards more affluence.

Rangers did the same thing from GLP (48,114) to GLF (40,300). 2017, Rangers only had 11 games over 40K, and 6 of those were Saturday. Opening Day, two against Boston (M/Tue), a Thurs, and a Friday.

So... a "sell out" is mostly a function of capacity and relative to the number of seats... and can be less a function of interest. It is also a function of ticket price. And Covid, I presume.

Having said that... the Ticket price, IMO, is a small percentage of the cost to go to a game.

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Proposition Joe said:

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The next big shift in experience (sadly) is going to be gambling. Then probably VR experiences a few years after that.

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You mean like 50/50

Or gaming windows like Lone Star Park where you can place bets on how many strikeouts the Rangers will have?!

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Fore Left! said:

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One nice thing about TBIA was great sight-lines. After the erector-set Arlington Stadium and its issues in that regard (particularly that walkway along the baselines that had people traffic literally in front of seats), Schieffer and team were maniacal about getting that right at TBIA. It sounds like between building something to accommodate a roof, building it to accommodate multi-use, and sight-lines not being a particularly hot topic since they haven't been a recent issue, some issues have crept in. Sight-lines are a quality you don't appreciate until sitting in a seat with issues

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I've said this many times.

GLF is a Special Event Center and NOT a Baseball Park.

RBiA had seats directionally positioned towards the pitchers mound. GLF has them directionally positioned towards the dirt/OF line at the top of 2nd Base. Essenntially the middle of the field.

81 baseball games.
284 days without baseball.

Sight-lines in baseball are relevant only 81 days a year.

The baseball money is mostly guaranteed. Any additional revenue relative to an improved baseball experience is inconsequential (5-10K fans on 81 days) to 284 days being empty.

The NFR:

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The NFR has been held in Las Vegas at the Thomas & Mack Center since moving from Oklahoma City in 1985, selling out 10 nights of events every year and filling local hotels.

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Las Vegas Events annually projects 17,000 people in attendance at every performance at Thomas & Mack, or 170,000 total. The event has an economic impact of an estimated $200 million every year.

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So, the NFR brought potentially 170K people into GLF (which would still be below 50% capacity) over 10 days that the stadium would have been empty.

For concerts, there is a market for 30K seats that doesn't really exist in DFW. AT&T is too large... AAC is too small. With predictably enclosed AC weather, GLF will be used MORE for other events than it will baseball.

And now that it is built... if we ***** enough, they can just move back to GLP with some modifications.

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powerbelly said:

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The problem seems to be instead of worrying about sightlines and quick access to bathrooms and concessions they focused on crap that doesn't matter to 95% of fans. Early reviews from people I know haven't been favorable so I am in no hurry to go to a game

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etxag18 said:

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powerbelly said:

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The problem seems to be instead of worrying about sightlines and quick access to bathrooms and concessions they focused on crap that doesn't matter to 95% of fans. Early reviews from people I know haven't been favorable so I am in no hurry to go to a game

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I've been to 3 games so far and absolutely love it

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powerbelly said:

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Sight lines matter. There are seats in the stadium that you cant view the whole field from. Hard to watch baseball when you cant see the whole field.

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hawk1689 said:

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IKF might be a plus defender at SS. I was worried about taking an above average 3B and turning him into a below avg. SS. Doesn't appear to be the case.

I got to experience the new park for the first time tonight.
1) They did a good job with incorporating finishes from the old ballpark on the interior of the new. If they hadn't VE'd the glass for the metal panels, It might actually be better all around.
2) The seats are 100X more comfortable than those green hip huggers.
3) The stories about the concessions are legit. 40 Minute wait for ****ty hot dogs and nachos. They didn't appear to put any effort into making new, more exciting menu options. I ate at Texas Live and will continue to do so going forward.

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powerbelly said:

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Sight lines matter. There are seats in the stadium that you cant view the whole field from. Hard to watch baseball when you cant see the whole field.

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Mr Gigem said:

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DallasAg- Have you been to a game in the new park yet? I can't remember if you said you have already or not

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wbt5845 said:

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powerbelly said:

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Sight lines matter. There are seats in the stadium that you cant view the whole field from. Hard to watch baseball when you cant see the whole field.

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I can see the whole field from my seats.

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Fore Left! said:

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Again, sight lines are an attribute that you don't appreciate until you have a seat where they are ****ed up. That said, the criticisms I've heard in this regard are secondhand, but I have heard a surprising number of them so far. I just know they were maniacal about them at TBIA and they were great

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Proposition Joe said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Proposition Joe said:

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"Sell out" is an antiquated term. The #1 goal of these teams isn't to sell every seat in the stadium, it's to maximize short-term and long-term profit from every seat.

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Yes and No... LAAA owner Art Moreno reduced the capacity of Angels Stadium, in order to drive ticket prices up. He wanted a higher end fan and took out capacity to reduce the "cheap seats" and push towards more affluence.

Rangers did the same thing from GLP (48,114) to GLF (40,300). 2017, Rangers only had 11 games over 40K, and 6 of those were Saturday. Opening Day, two against Boston (M/Tue), a Thurs, and a Friday.

So... a "sell out" is mostly a function of capacity and relative to the number of seats... and can be less a function of interest. It is also a function of ticket price. And Covid, I presume.

Having said that... the Ticket price, IMO, is a small percentage of the cost to go to a game.

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The point is acting like a "sell out" is the ultimate goal is not understanding how ticketing works. Rangers could "sell out" every game of opening week/weekend if they wanted to simply by adjusting their price point to normal STH "face value" (or lower).

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If you struggle to sell tickets to a brand spanking new stadium where you've reduced Capacity by 16-20% isn't about maximizing revenue. It is about setting the tone for the acceptance of the new stadium... the team... or the ownership...

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