I don't think we are talking about the same guy.... Look to the left of Kylo in that pic. What looks like a bat to me has red rings around it. I could be wrong though. Doesn't really change my point about them looking like a gang though.
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I don't think we are talking about the same guy.... Look to the left of Kylo in that pic. What looks like a bat to me has red rings around it. I could be wrong though. Doesn't really change my point about them looking like a gang though.
quote:Thank you!
Guys, TC means the exact shots that were seen in the trailers. The ones you guys are bringing up are not the same shots. They are different camera angles and takes, albeit of the same scene in the film
quote:The guy in the back also looks to have a giant cricket bat.
To the left of Kylo... Not his left hand. I mean to the left of Kylo when you are looking at the picture.
quote:Well, she did kind of climb over a table to take a look at Finn. I'd say that was kind of odd.... or something.
I did wonder about Han's quote regarding Maz. I was expecting her to be really abrasive or...something. Instead she was more Yoda-like.
quote:I just now have been able to catch up to this thread and this may have been covered in the seemingly thousands of posts since your post early this morning, but I nearly thought the same thing as the movie unfolded but didn't and here's why:
THE CONTRIVANCES AWAKEN
If I had to point to one, glaring, overarching issue that kept me from truly enjoying the experience, it would be the series of massive, ridiculously convenient coincidences Abrams masquerades as "plot." The first 20 or so minutes had me hooked. The opening village raid (Kylo stopping that laser was one of the coolest moments of the movie), all the way through Rey and Finn meeting at the depot in Jakku, was just pitch-perfect blockbuster filmmaking. That was a nearly flawless first act. For me, though, the first signs of unraveling were when Rey and Finn just so happened upon the Millennium Falcon. Ten minutes earlier (in the film), Finn had just been told by Poe that he needed to get back to his droid on Jakku, a droid who had a map to the whereabouts of the mythical Luke Skywalker. And then soon after, on that same planet, Finn and Rey just so happen upon the very ship that began Luke Skywalker's journey all those years ago.
Still, I can buy that series of events. In terms of whimsical action-adventure epics, I can absolutely let that kind of stuff slide. It's when, only hours later for the characters, and literally minutes later in the movie, Han Solo - the former owner of that ship - just so happens to be the first person Rey and Finn happen to come in contact with. We're talking about amassive galaxy, and Han and Chewie just happen to be casually looking for the Falcon in that exact location. After a Force-sensitive girl and kid who worked for Han's son just happened to randomly steal the Falcon. After a pilot sent by Han's ex just happened to mention to that same kid the name Luke Skywalker, who Han just happened to know better than just about anyone else alive.
Again, give me one or two of those coincidences, and I'm fine. But when an entire 40-50 minute sequence is built like Jenga blocks purely on improbable coincidence after coincidence after coincidence, and the story rendered non-existent if even one of those things doesn't magically happen, it's incredibly hard for me to go along on that particular ride. I get that it's essentially a fairy tale, and that fairy tales are rooted in fantasy. But fantasy, in turn, doesn't have to be rooted in coincidence and contrivances. They can be independent of each other. And please don't say it was because "the Force" was willing it all to happen. Once we began to have an inclination from the trailers and commercials that TFA would be echoing quite a few elements from A New Hope (orphan on a desert planet, Vader-esque villain, Star Destroyer 3.0, etc.), I theorized in the other thread how cool it would be if, for whatever reason, the Force was essentially... forcing... the events of A New Hope to echo across time, with whatever characters it could call to action, in order to save Luke Skywalker in some way. And while that may very well still be the case, it wasn't alluded to in any way, shape, or form in the final product. In fact, nothing was. Instead, every last contrivance literally had to be explained away after the fact by expository dialogue...
- Just after Han finds the Falcon, he has to ask Rey who now owned it, and then quickly has to explain (to the audience, basically) how it got to be on Jakku.
- As Han is about to fend off the bounty hunters from his freighter, he then has to explain that he and Chewie had been casually looking for the Falcon for years.
- Finally, hours later (for them), when Rey randomly-and-out-of-no-where finds Luke's long lost lightsaber in a random treasure chest in the basement of a random castle, Abrams doesn't even have a reason why, and actually had a character basically say, "We'll explain it in the next movie!" That one was the icing on the cake for me, and maybe the most egregious. I still cannot believe that is how Luke's lightsaber was inserted into the plot of this movie. After all the speculation, that element is such a let down.
Point is, all of this info should be made obvious through ACTION and PLOT, not explained after the fact in dialogue. As is, it's just so insanely lazy. With a little more reverence and effort, there was a better way to string these scenes together. I loved what they were going for. I was so on board with the very basic flow of that series of events. But why not connect the dots just a bit better, especially when it would have done wonders for the overall narrative?
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All I know is that I'm looking forward to Rey having a line at some point in the trilogy if she is Luke's daughter where she says, "I am a Jedi, like my father and grandfather before me."
quote:Possible, but I find it unlikely. I think Kylo was looking for things specifically connected to Vader/Anakin. That's why I think he wanted the saber from Rey that was used to cut down Jedi and Younglings alike, and that's why I think he had Vader's helmet. He wants to feel connected to Vader who he truly believes was his grandfather. I don't think that Kylo believes that Vader turned away from the dark side or that there was a true conflict within him in regards to what was true.
I'm sure it will come. Maz damn near spit it out herself.
Sidebar - the club that we thought you were talking about, the thing Kylo is holding in his left hand - think that's Luke's lightsaber?
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I doubt they would treat it as a plot twist, they'd probably treat it like they did Kylo Ren's lineage. It's an interesting reveal but not something that is meant to be a big, shocking, climactic moment like say "I am your father".
They'd probably have to have him or Luke lay out what happened with him and Palps, since just revealing him as Plagueis wouldn't mean that much to casual viewers.
The real shocker would be if he reveals he really did create Vader.
quote:I'm going to guess that it went to the bottom of the shaft on the Death Star II when Luke severed Vader's hand.
Also, where is Vader's lightsaber?
quote:Yup, had that thought right before it started.
It's probably also been mentioned a ton of times in this thread but I'll ask:
Who else missed the 20th Century Fox Fanfare just prior to the beginning of TFA?
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Hey - it's out there somewhere.
quote:To me, they go to a point to mention all the stories and myths they had heard about the Jedi earlier in the movies. It's not a stretch to imagine her having heard about the Jedi mind trick, and try it herself, imo. It didn't work the first two times she tried it, either.
True, but even Luke had a pretty big learning curve. I get exactly where you're coming from, though. Most of it I had no problem with it. The big one for me, though, for whatever reason, was when Rey just automatically knew to pull the Jedi mind trick on that stormtrooper. As I mentioned, Luke at least had the advantage of seeing Obi-Wan do it first. He knew because of that that it could be done. Here, Rey just... knew. And yes, I guess you could argue that the Force has come back bigger/faster/stronger this go around, but again, I needed Abrams to give me more of a hint that that is, in fact, the case. Just a hint. Rather than the radio silence / we'll-cover-that-in-the-next-installment we continued to get over and over in that regard during TFA.
quote:quote:I'm going to guess that it went to the bottom of the shaft on the Death Star II when Luke severed Vader's hand.
Also, where is Vader's lightsaber?
quote:Vader:
Death Star? Newb it's cloud city
quote:quote:quote:I'm going to guess that it went to the bottom of the shaft on the Death Star II when Luke severed Vader's hand.
Also, where is Vader's lightsaber?
Death Star? Newb it's cloud city