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Does it make me a snob that i"ve got a ton of theories, but I don't want to post them until the general thread is spoiler-inclusive in a couple of days?
Not a snob.
Just a weirdo.
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Does it make me a snob that i"ve got a ton of theories, but I don't want to post them until the general thread is spoiler-inclusive in a couple of days?
quote:Whoa!
Just saw this article - it's a compilation of deleted scene descriptions, sourced from various people close to the movie, actor interviews, etc. http://www.slashfilm.com/star-wars-the-force-awkens-deleted-scenes/
Seems like either JJ or Disney opted to cut a lot of this out to keep the pace of the film moving quickly.
quote:All of this stuff sounds great. Here's hoping some of this is on the Blu ray.
Rey Sees Visions of Empire Strikes Back
Rey's original Force vision used to feature a shot where she sees Vader cutting off Luke's hand on Bespin from a different angle than we've seen in The Empire Strikes Back. This is why Hasbro produced Empire Strike Back-era Darth Vader and Luke Skywalker action figures for The Force Awakens toy line. In the final film, we do see Rey stumble through a corridor on Bespin, and if you listen carefully in the background you can hear Luke yell "Noooooooo!!!!"
Also, there was a sequence in Rey's vision that explained how the saber got from Bespin, landed on a planet, got discovered, and was passed along over the years. This sequence revealed that the lightsaber opening was actually a flashback and that the planet was not Jakku.
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Don't be dense.
Vader is one of the most popular and iconic villains of all time, nobody is saying otherwise.
But watch ANH and then watch TFA and you tell me which villain was more fleshed out as a character.
In the climax of ANH, Vader is flying a TIE fighter and trying to shoot down Luke before he blows up the Death Star. One of the greatest, most exciting climaxes in film history, no doubt, but Vader's role was basically that of a good enemy pilot after killing Obi-Wan.
Kylo played a far more important role in the final act of his movie.
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The time the Star Killer gave to the resistance was only due to not having the intelligence on what system to blow up yet
quote:Based on ANH alone? I find that hard to believe..... If you consider the entire OT, I'd say their character depth was equal at this point.
I can say that Vader was a better character than Ren without batting an eye.
quote:Especially when Ren has had one movie while vader has 6.
You can like Vader more than Ren, but to say Vader was a better character is a real stretch.
quote:And I was. So why are we even discussing it if what I said has nothing to do with what you're talking about?
Look, all I said was that Vader from ANH is better than Kylo Ren. I'm not talking about their character development,
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If you hate whiny emo shht you probably think Vader is better.
quote:Neither is a good character in the sense that, say, Daniel Plainview is a good character in There Will Be Blood. Arguing about which characterization is better in a Star Wars movie is like arguing whether Adam Sandler is more intellectual than Pauly Shore. I mean, I guess that he is, but that has nothing to do with why people liked his movies. It's just irrelevant.
It's not controversial. It's just that, if you're really critiquing based on depth of the characters in the films, then it doesn't make sense to say Ren < Vader. (To most people, anyway)
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Not exactly the antithesis...
quote:That kind of went out the window when Leia mouthed off to him and obviously wasn't afraid IMO.
Yes, based on ANH alone. His very presence on the screen was forbidding. I never took Ren all that serious.
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Is Starkiller Base a good, clean-energy weapon because it uses solar power, or is it bad because it's energy source becomes non-renewable once it's harnessed.
Inquiring minds want to know.