quote:Oh ****.
- When Kylo is interrogating Rey, does he put his helmet on top of Vader's ashes?
quote:Oh ****.
- When Kylo is interrogating Rey, does he put his helmet on top of Vader's ashes?
quote:1- That started the inevitable build up to Han confronting and trying to convince (even though I think he knew in his heart that it was a losing proposition) Kylo to return home with him that sealed Han's fate.
1 - Why did they reveal Han as the father so early, and in such a weak way? Having Stoke say YOUR FATHER HAN SOLO was the dumbest way they could reveal that. Sure, we all thought it might be a possibility, but if I was editing the film, I would have created a little tension. I would have shown the scene with Kylo and Darth, had him say the grandfather line, then teased at Luke being the father a couple of times, before having Han later call out BEN, and then revealing him as the father. I just felt like that really lost a lot of steam.
2 - The spinning at the end still bothered me a bit. So I fixed it. When Rey was holding out the lightsaber, I watched for a second, then closed my eyes and just listened to the music. PERFECT ENDING. Why did they even have to show anything else?
Edit: forgot to say that I enjoyed the movie much more the 2nd time through because I wasn't sitting there the whole time wondering if they were really going to pull it off and put out a decent star wars movie. I just sat back and really enjoyed the ride the 2nd time, and it was so much fun.
quote:This..... Is something I had not considered..... That's dark....quote:Oh ****.
- When Kylo is interrogating Rey, does he put his helmet on top of Vader's ashes?
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This is the discussion Palpatine and Anakin have:quote:Plagueis was Darth Sidious's (Palpatine) master, and he states that he learned from him the ability to create life from the force. My inference from that exchange is that he is stating that he created Anakin from the force, I assume to bring about the prophecy.
Supreme Chancellor: I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith who lived many years ago. He was so powerful and so wise that he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.
Anakin Skywalker: He could do that? He could actually save people from death?
Supreme Chancellor: The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.
Anakin Skywalker: What happened to him?
Supreme Chancellor: He became so powerful... the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, and then one night, his apprentice killed him in his sleep. It's ironic that he could save others from death, but not himself.
Anakin Skywalker: Is it possible to learn this power?
Supreme Chancellor: Not from a Jedi.
It's just my own speculation, because I can't see any other reason they would have gone with the whole Darth Jesus angle otherwise.
quote:given what we know of Harrison Ford's disdain for the role (since 1983) and franchise and the fact that he wanted Han Solo to die in ROTJ and was upset that he did not.....
Not trolling...
Watched a 75 minute review posted by someone on one of these pages. 10 minutes devoted to this: is Han really dead?
We've seen characters fall before (Luke in Empire).
Or he's dead, First Order has the body, Snake is revealed to be Plagueis, and brings Han back to life. If Harrison Ford decided to come back, they could make up something. He did such a great job in this one!
The one thing I wanted was to have all three together one time.... isn't going to happen unless Han is alive or all three die.
quote:Yeah, I'm pretty certain this is it for Solo. If I remember correctly (might be completely making this up, but) Harrison Ford has been quoted as saying that he wished they had killed off Solo at the end of the original trilogy. So, this gives Ford closure on one of his iconic characters, in a death/way worthy of the character.
I have no doubt that Harrison Ford is done with this franchise.
I don't like it, but I'm ok with it. He was amazing in this movie and gave his all to go out with bang. Well done, Harrison.
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Let me start off by saying I don't think Rey is a Kenobi.
That being said, Obi Wan wasn't the purest of Jedi and could have possibly "broken the code" when it comes to women.
In the Clone Wars (i.e. CANON), Obi- Wan admitted to Satine of Mandalore that he would have left the Jedi Order for her if she would have asked. Maybe they got busy and started an accidental lineage that led to Rey?
They better not expect me to watch F'n cartoons to understand all this stuff. If so I'm out.
quote:I agree with this even though I had brought up the reveal thing earlier. I didn't intend to come off thinking they should do even more of the I am your father stuff, just that they revealed it in such a blah way. having a guy literally just speak the words YOUR FATHER HAN SOLO was so dumb, as if he is treating Kylo like an idiot, having to remind him that he's his father. They didnt have to do a big reveal, just felt that one deserved a little bit less hand-holding.
I had wondered how why he would have a bunch of gravel to put his helmet on rather than just a table. That's an interesting theory.
Also, I'm glad they didn't try for too big of a reveal with Kylo's parenting. Heck, I'd have been happy had Max von Sydow gone ahead and referred to Han and Leia instead of just saying "your family." This film wasn't about trying to fool us with a twist we had all speculated about since casting.
quote:Enjoy another franchise thenquote:quote:
Let me start off by saying I don't think Rey is a Kenobi.
That being said, Obi Wan wasn't the purest of Jedi and could have possibly "broken the code" when it comes to women.
In the Clone Wars (i.e. CANON), Obi- Wan admitted to Satine of Mandalore that he would have left the Jedi Order for her if she would have asked. Maybe they got busy and started an accidental lineage that led to Rey?
They better not expect me to watch F'n cartoons to understand all this stuff. If so I'm out.
This. I don't want to invest in other places for lore. Might as well be the Matrix.
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I agree with this even though I had brought up the reveal thing earlier. I didn't intend to come off thinking they should do even more of the I am your father stuff, just that they revealed it in such a blah way. having a guy literally just speak the words YOUR FATHER HAN SOLO was so dumb, as if he is treating Kylo like an idiot, having to remind him that he's his father. They didnt have to do a big reveal, just felt that one deserved a little bit less hand-holding.
quote:Anakin wasn't a rebel, Luke was...... And I'm not sure that was Luke's pilot helmet.
Also, may have been mentioned, but did you guys catch when Rey had on a Rebel [Anakin's] pilot helmet?
To me, that's the biggest confirmation the film gave that she's a Skywalker.
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"We'll figure it out... " *gets super serious and confident* "We'll use the Force!"
"That's not how the Force works!"
quote:She also had a homemade rebel fighter pilot doll shown as she's making dinnerquote:Anakin wasn't a rebel, Luke was...... And I'm not sure that was Luke's pilot helmet.
Also, may have been mentioned, but did you guys catch when Rey had on a Rebel [Anakin's] pilot helmet?
To me, that's the biggest confirmation the film gave that she's a Skywalker.
quote:Doubt it was Luke's helmet. I took that scene to signify that she dreams about being a Resistance pilot or more about what life would be like off-world. Did you see her face light up when Finn said he was with the Resistance?quote:Anakin wasn't a rebel, Luke was...... And I'm not sure that was Luke's pilot helmet.
Also, may have been mentioned, but did you guys catch when Rey had on a Rebel [Anakin's] pilot helmet?
To me, that's the biggest confirmation the film gave that she's a Skywalker.
quote:That's actually an interesting question. Not only why did he leave, but how?
Why did Poe Dameron leave Jakku?
Poe Dameron had one missionget the map to Luke Skywalker. He's forced to abandon that mission when the First Order arrives on Jakku and he's captured. Later Finn breaks him out and Poe ends up back on Jakku where the map still is, along with his droid BB-8. But after survivng the crash, instead of going after BB-8, he tells Finn he just left. Poe had no reason to think Finn would complete his mission for him, so why did he leave? We don't know. Maybe Poe was brainwashedand later, we'll see him turn?
quote:By the time the Empire is in place, most stormtroopers were not clones. Most were volunteers. That is what I read over time about the troops.
you probably are not wrong that there is soemthing more at play here - they have successfully programmed thousands or millions....but not him.
and storm troopers WERE clones in the Prequels....at some point that changed (it was mentioned in this film actually that maybe they should go back to clones)....this is the FIrst Order not the Empire so presumably they got their storm troopers in a different manner.
quote:IIRC, Luke's helmet had the red rebel insignia on it. The one Rey put on had gold insignia. So yeah, I kind of doubt it was Luke's. I agree with her dreaming about life off of Jakku.quote:Doubt it was Luke's helmet. I took that scene to signify that she dreams about being a Resistance pilot or more about what life would be like off-world. Did you see her face light up when Finn said he was with the Resistance?quote:Anakin wasn't a rebel, Luke was...... And I'm not sure that was Luke's pilot helmet.
Also, may have been mentioned, but did you guys catch when Rey had on a Rebel [Anakin's] pilot helmet?
To me, that's the biggest confirmation the film gave that she's a Skywalker.
Her character is similar to Luke's in a New Hope, though. Bright eyed, pure hearted, fearless.
quote:False, or at least the internet says differently:
Also, may have been mentioned, but did you guys catch when Rey had on a Rebel [Anakin's] pilot helmet?
To me, that's the biggest confirmation the film gave that she's a Skywalker.
Edit: From Reddit --
"Little do we know Luke's just living off of his New Republic Veteran's benefits and is exploring the galaxy."
Lol
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According to the Star Wars: The Force Awakens Visual Dictionary, the helmet Rey wears belonged to an X-wing pilot named Captain Dosmit Rh, who flew for the Tierfon Yellow Aces.
quote:I agree. Kylo is already different from Anakin's story because he chose to kill his own family. Vader couldn't do that in ESB and couldn't watch his own son be tortured by the Emperor. There was more good in Vader, than there is in Kylo. Perhaps than there ever was in Kylo.
4. As to Kylo, I love that he views the light side as a temptation and trying to resist. I think him killing Han was the act that makes him unable to be redeemed. Vader came back b/c of his attachment to family. Kylo severed that attachment and I'll be pretty disappointed if he's saved in the end.