Also, Ventress was never an apprentice.
*** STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS Spoiler Discussion/Reactions ***
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quote:Because some of us didn't listen to it to avoid learning more than we wanted to...oh well
Why are more of you not talking about the Infinity 3.0 confirming Rey as Luke's daughter?
Buck, how could I care about Poe? He had maybe 10 minutes of screen time, and we have no idea who he is or where he came from, only that he's the best pilot in the Resistance.
And why talk bad about TC? He obviously wants to like the movie. He says it's great even though writing a thousand words of issues. I just can't be so kind. None of the characters match up to the main characters of the first two. The light saber fights are meh. The story is a total retread, filled with lazy coincedences and bad cgi.
I realize I'm in the minority and that my opinion won't go over well here, but I'm being honest. I really wanted this movie to be great, but it wasn't. Not only that, it didn't even try to be great. How could it, with so many stolen ideas from previous versions and lazy shortcuts to move the story along.
And why talk bad about TC? He obviously wants to like the movie. He says it's great even though writing a thousand words of issues. I just can't be so kind. None of the characters match up to the main characters of the first two. The light saber fights are meh. The story is a total retread, filled with lazy coincedences and bad cgi.
I realize I'm in the minority and that my opinion won't go over well here, but I'm being honest. I really wanted this movie to be great, but it wasn't. Not only that, it didn't even try to be great. How could it, with so many stolen ideas from previous versions and lazy shortcuts to move the story along.
I should have said canon prior to Disney canceling the EU. The book Plagueis has Plagueis alive until the day before Sidious takes over as emperor, which means that all three are full Sith lords at the same time in our universe and theirs . I can't remember when Tyrannus gets his title.
Wookieepedia says that Darth Bane's first mention was in the novelization of Phantom Menace. I haven't read that, just seen the movie.
Wookieepedia says that Darth Bane's first mention was in the novelization of Phantom Menace. I haven't read that, just seen the movie.
Darth Bane also appeared in TCW episode "Sacrifice" (voiced by Mark Hamill) as an illusion.
I think Dooku received his title as Darth Tyrannus sometime after TPM, as that was when he was supposed to have left the Jedi Order after the death of Qui-Gon IIRC.
I think Dooku received his title as Darth Tyrannus sometime after TPM, as that was when he was supposed to have left the Jedi Order after the death of Qui-Gon IIRC.
quote:You're definitely in the minority around the world with those opinions. But to each his own. I would easily put TFA above all except Empire Strikes Back and maybe Star Wars, but after watching the whole series again the two weeks, I'm more prone to move Return of the Jedi ahead of Star Wars. I don't see how in the world you would rate the light saber fights as "meh", especially compared to the original. The only time I noticed CGI being used was with the tentacled animals that got loose on Han's ship. JJ personally saw to it that they used as little CGI as possible, and that was certainly evident...and it worked very well. As for lazy coincidences, if you want to get technical, every one of the films are filled with them.
I just can't be so kind. None of the characters match up to the main characters of the first two. The light saber fights are meh. The story is a total retread, filled with lazy coincedences and bad cgi.
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The book Plagueis has Plagueis alive until the day before Sidious takes over as emperor, which means that all three are full Sith lords at the same time in our universe and theirs
Well thank God the decision was made to scrap all that nonsense. In my opinion the issues are less with the movies and all with these idiot authors whom Lucas gave full rein to write whatever they wanted. A book made after all the prequels that has Plagueis alive during that same time completely disregards the movies. And honestly, the movies are what should matter the most.
quote:I'm sorry, but some of your complaints are very typical of someone of your age and not at all reasonable. I'm not saying the movie was without flaws... far from it.
None of the characters match up to the main characters of the first two. The light saber fights are meh. The story is a total retread, filled with lazy coincedences and bad cgi.
Retread story and huge weapon, I understand the complaints. At this point merely a means to an end, but legit criticisms.
Bad CGI?? Besides the rathtars, pick out another piece where you feel it was used poorly? Lots of physical sets and extras on costumes this time around, just like the original.
Meh light saber fights, eh? Would you have preferred the dancing and spinning ridiculousness of the prequels? Then you'd be complaining about how Rey mastered yet another force power too quickly. Or would you rather have them be like Luke and cadet in Jedi or cloud city? Both trained force users with lightsaber experience by that point? Again, you would have complained. How bout like obi-wan and cadet in ANH?
As for characters, I'd say you're idolizing the old ones. Then again, I think Rey matches up very well, and Poe will as well. BB8 is an extension of Poe as well in TFA. I'm still questioning Finn. You also have to consider the new actors have to take a backseat this episode to existing characters. It's required for an effective switchover. How much time were you really spending analyzing the motivations or acting chops of new characters when Han or cheque was on screen? You've had years (and many viewings) to cherish your childhood memories and are suffering from the thinking the "good old days" were better.
Feel free to criticize the movie for its very real faults, but to call it "just not good" just exposes you as biased and cheapens any legitimate criticisms. You'll never feel awe the way you did when you were 10. Stop expecting that and you'll be happier!
quote:Well, if we're only looking at the movies, the rule of two is supported by one PT comment from a Jedi who had been totally duped by the Sith, and countered by the OT where the Sith did not feel a need to stay at two. So I'm still not seeing much reason to put stock in the rule of two.quote:
The book Plagueis has Plagueis alive until the day before Sidious takes over as emperor, which means that all three are full Sith lords at the same time in our universe and theirs
Well thank God the decision was made to scrap all that nonsense. In my opinion the issues are less with the movies and all with these idiot authors whom Lucas gave full rein to write whatever they wanted. A book made after all the prequels that has Plagueis alive during that same time completely disregards the movies. And honestly, the movies are what should matter the most.
Plus the thing where the Sith don't follow rules because they are evil scheming tricksters who think rules are for lesser beings.
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I must have missed the memo that everyone got that Phasma was supposed to be the new Boba Fett character... I just saw her armor in the preview and thought that she was going to be some field commander. Even then I guess I was wrong.
I thought he was a dude until I saw the movie.
I think besides the one line from Yoda it can be supported by the fact that there never more than 2 in the movies at one time. In the OT there are only Palpatine and Vader. Is it your belief that had the emperor been able to turn Luke that he'd have let Vader live? In the prequels there is only Palpatine and Maul, or Palpatine and Dooku.
Contrast with the Jedi, of which there are hundreds or thousands, until Palpatine pulls off the take down.
As to you not believing it bc they are liars and deceivers, they were also survivors. And they survived for a thousand years undetected by limiting their numbers.
Contrast with the Jedi, of which there are hundreds or thousands, until Palpatine pulls off the take down.
As to you not believing it bc they are liars and deceivers, they were also survivors. And they survived for a thousand years undetected by limiting their numbers.
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Does Kylo say "This will be your final mistake... cousin." ???
He's saying "curses."
Why would he say "face me curses"....in the other video linked here....twice. Its clearly "face me cousin"
Watched it again much better better the second time IMO.
I had questions on how Maz Kanata was able to help Rey with the force.... She basically tell Rey she an adept:
"I am no JEDI, but I know the force". Leads me to believe she is a force sensitive but never trained as a Jedi ( too old to begin the training)
It was definitely the fat alien that sells rations' hand that takes Young Rey in the flashback.
The opening scrawl actually answers a lot of questions:
Also a crazy theory I read was that Snoke is Darth Plageus who discovered a way to be resurrected or cheat death as told by Sidious.... The music they played for Snoke was similar to what was played while discussing Plageus in Ep III
I had questions on how Maz Kanata was able to help Rey with the force.... She basically tell Rey she an adept:
"I am no JEDI, but I know the force". Leads me to believe she is a force sensitive but never trained as a Jedi ( too old to begin the training)
It was definitely the fat alien that sells rations' hand that takes Young Rey in the flashback.
The opening scrawl actually answers a lot of questions:
quote:Lot San Tekka was killed by Kylo in the opening sequence , and he may not have been given Luke's whereabouts by Luke himself, because it says he discovered the clue not has a clue...
Luke Skywalker has vanished.
In his absence, the sinister
FIRST ORDER has risen
from the ashes of the Empire
and will not rest until Skywalker, the last Jedi,
has been destroyed.
With the support of the REPUBLIC,
General Leia Organa leads a brave RESISTANCE.
She is desperate to find her
brother Luke and gain his
help in restoring peace and
justice to the galaxy.
Leia has sent her most daring
pilot on a secret mission
to Jakku, where an old ally
has discovered a clue to
Luke's whereabouts . . . .
Also a crazy theory I read was that Snoke is Darth Plageus who discovered a way to be resurrected or cheat death as told by Sidious.... The music they played for Snoke was similar to what was played while discussing Plageus in Ep III
Not sure if this has been posted before. Last night I was reading the book with all the ship cross sections (goes along with the Visual Dictionary), and apparently there are two TIE Fighters now: the traditional one-seat short range fighter, and then the one that Poe and Finn steal, which is the "special forces" TIE Fighter, that has two seats, a hyperdrive, etc.
The most curious part is at the very end: why dos Leia basically ignore Chewy to hug Rey?
Has Leia even met Rey (in the movie) prior to this.? She was captured on that planet before the resistance arrived and taken away by Ren. So Leia and Rey never met in person in the movie prior to that hug. So why the hug and sense of knowing....?
Has Leia even met Rey (in the movie) prior to this.? She was captured on that planet before the resistance arrived and taken away by Ren. So Leia and Rey never met in person in the movie prior to that hug. So why the hug and sense of knowing....?
Obvious answer is Leia either senses something or knows who she is, I think.
Even more obvious answer. They're both women.
Saw it a second time & really enjoyed it. Rey force grabbing the saber combined with the music was even cooler the 2nd time around... still felt tension when Han yells his son's name.
If I were Chewie, I'd be pissed at Leia.
Hard to believe but the fat alien that took Rey was Simon pegg
quote:I'm sure someone else has already mentioned it, but how about the idea that Kylo, when he killed the new Jedi at the academy, saved his own little sister and stuck her on some faraway planet. Han and Leia believe she's dead. They don't speak about her in the movie just because they think she's been dead for many years, whereas their son is still in front of them and theoretically redeemable.
Several holes to poke in that, one of which is her being left on the desert planet at about 5 years old. Can't learn much by that age and there wouldn't be any "coming back" about mind control at that age.
Also, Han and Leia specifically only mention losing their son in dialogue, not multiple children...
No basis whatsoever for this idea. Just a thought.
I personally never thought that Phasma was the new Boba Fett because he was an independent bounty hunter and she is an officer in the FO. Now, maybe she goes rogue in the next one and basically becomes a parallel to Fett.
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Does Kylo say "This will be your final mistake... cousin." ???
He's saying "curses."
Why would he say "face me curses"....in the other video linked here....twice. Its clearly "face me cousin"
He's not saying "Face me curses." He's saying "Face me." Then "Curses."
He says "Curses," each time a barrel explodes and he loses health. Watch all the videos again - it's all because of when the barrel explodes.
Saw on Making Star Wars that there was concept art of Anakin done for TFA. The idea being that he goes between the light and dark sides.... I think that kind of ****s on his story in the OT so I'm kind of glad that this wasn't used. The theory that Anakin would appear to Kylo as Vader, and to Rey as Anakin in episode 8 because he didn't go completely into the light just doesn't work for me and is actually one of the few times that I will say that Anakin's redemption and Luke's part in it being diminished. Though, I will say that this does somewhat give the rumor that Hayden could possibly be cast in 8 a bit of weight though...
http://makingstarwars.net/2015/12/the-force-ghost-of-anakin-skywalker-was-proposed-to-be-in-the-force-awakens/
I seem to remember there being a rumor for TFA that there was going to be a character with a cybernetic arm and eye. Seeing the concept art, I can see why there would have been this rumor.
http://makingstarwars.net/2015/12/the-force-ghost-of-anakin-skywalker-was-proposed-to-be-in-the-force-awakens/
I seem to remember there being a rumor for TFA that there was going to be a character with a cybernetic arm and eye. Seeing the concept art, I can see why there would have been this rumor.
The PC insanity of today makes me absolutely ragey.
The Washington Post is a pathetic excuse for a "news service"
It's amazing to me that any adult was pleased with this movie. It was a weak retread of the original trilogy completely devoid of original thought, often looking like a shot for shot remake of a new hope. It's like they took the characters, themes, and events of the originals, mixed them up, and reassigned them to different people and places.
The characters were likable and the humor was generally well proportioned, but it was entirely predictable, boring, ordinary. there was zero intrigue, zero danger, it played exactly as expected. Also, too often it was laughably referential to a new hope. The whole movie felt like a big wink at the camera, a parody, fan fiction.
The characters were likable and the humor was generally well proportioned, but it was entirely predictable, boring, ordinary. there was zero intrigue, zero danger, it played exactly as expected. Also, too often it was laughably referential to a new hope. The whole movie felt like a big wink at the camera, a parody, fan fiction.
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It's amazing to me that any adult was pleased with this movie. It was a weak retread of the original trilogy completely devoid of original thought, often looking like a shot for shot remake of a new hope. It's like they took the characters, themes, and events of the originals, mixed them up, and reassigned them to different people and places.
The characters were likable and the humor was generally well proportioned, but it was entirely predictable, boring, ordinary. there was zero intrigue, zero danger, it played exactly as expected. Also, too often it was laughably referential to a new hope. The whole movie felt like a big wink at the camera, a parody, fan fiction.
Rey was hot. Really hot.
There's my review.
There's my review.
The racebaiters and feminists in this country need to be put on a raft and floated to Cuba.
I suppose Finn may have suffered a bit of usefulness at the expense of making Rey a strong character. Whether or not you care is up to you. I personally don't, but now that I think of it... I guess Finn was being outclassed at nearly every turn. "Let me save you from this octopus" "I can escape from this Death Star on my own" "lay there and give me that lightsaber"
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It's amazing to me that any adult was pleased with this movie. It was a weak retread of the original trilogy completely devoid of original thought, often looking like a shot for shot remake of a new hope. It's like they took the characters, themes, and events of the originals, mixed them up, and reassigned them to different people and places.
The characters were likable and the humor was generally well proportioned, but it was entirely predictable, boring, ordinary. there was zero intrigue, zero danger, it played exactly as expected. Also, too often it was laughably referential to a new hope. The whole movie felt like a big wink at the camera, a parody, fan fiction.
LOL
Finn is outclassed because he's at best a marginal force sensitive storm trooper taking on a ****ing Dark Side user.
Good Lord. I hate PC race baiters more than I hate outright racists.
Good Lord. I hate PC race baiters more than I hate outright racists.
quote:Finn was also running away at every turn until he ran back to make sure Rey was safe at Maz's taking the lightsaber from her to fight and then also turned to face Kylo on the surface of Starkiller Base. Him facing Kylo was a HUGE change in his character in contrast to his actions in the rest of the film. He gets his ass kicked by Kylo because Kylo is clearly superior in fighting with a lightsaber and also is a force user.
I suppose Finn may have suffered a bit of usefulness at the expense of making Rey a strong character. Whether or not you care is up to you. I personally don't, but now that I think of it... I guess Finn was being outclassed at nearly every turn. "Let me save you from this octopus" "I can escape from this Death Star on my own" "lay there and give me that lightsaber"
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