quote:I'd also add that in ESB Luke wasn't completely in the right frame of mind to pull out the X-Wing from the swamp.quote:Oh my.... No... Light sabers are inanimate... She overpowered him, or he didn't even really grasp it...
I was also wondering when Harry Potter and star wars mixed when the whole lightsaber chooses her over Ren....
Does anyone have background on lightsabers being attuned to certain people or choosing people?
Or did she really just over power Ren for it which seems unlikely?
Like I said I think his abilities are probably focused on psychological and energy manipulation and not telekinesis. I think the Star Wars team at Disney is going with the Force Abilities specialization so like they did with Corran Horn in the Old EU... Some are stronger with Telekenesis, some telepathic, some light saber duellists, some energy manipulates, etc. some may have dual abilities. Some may be overall badass like Luke and apparently Rey...
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Revenge of the Sith is a better overall movie despite what the prequel gaters will have you believe.
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Return of the jedi felt great because it ended on a positive note and was quirky, but this might have been better than it imo, and below anh, and esb.
Loved RoTJ. Somewhere along the way some cinema snobs convinced a bunch of people it wasn't a good film.
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Rey feels a lot more natural than Katniss to me. Very well done by all involved.
quote:Probably because the actress is also better. Ridley is a much better actress than Jennifer Lawrence or Shailene Woodley, both of whom exhibit one single emotion/tone in every movie they do.
Rey is a much better character than the leads in Hunger Games and Divergent.
quote:It was nice to see a female action heroine who didn't seem constantly annoyed by everyone else around her.quote:
Rey feels a lot more natural than Katniss to me. Very well done by all involved.quote:Probably because the actress is also better. Ridley is a much better actress than Jennifer Lawrence or Shailene Woodley, both of whom exhibit one single emotion/tone in every movie they do.
Rey is a much better character than the leads in Hunger Games and Divergent.
quote:Let me guess, he has all of the Transformer movies on Blu-Ray.
my19 year old nephew. He basically said, I don't want to see any more girl power movies.
quote:Indeed, not seeing the constant Resting ***** Face was refreshing!
It was nice to see a female action heroine who didn't seem constantly annoyed by everyone else around her.
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Also, ROTJ was more negatively impacted by the special editions than the other 2 films, imo. I will agree that the end track is better in the special edition, but it's criminal what they did to the first 30 minutes of the movie.
quote:The positives of the film was getting the Anakin Skywalker we had all been waiting the entire trilogy for, probably the second best lightsaber duel in the franchise between Kenobi and Anakin, and a film that was more about the Jedi, Anakin, Kenobi, and Padme than it was about galactic politics like the two previous PT films. It was also very entertaining, something that much of the PT lacked IMO.quote:
Revenge of the Sith is a better overall movie despite what the prequel gaters will have you believe.
Better than Return of the Jedi? lol...
quote:I never got the impression she was there to find Obi Wan at all. She was carrying the death star plans to the rebels when she was waylaid by the Empire near Tatooine and out of desperation sent her droid down to the planet to the only person available who she might be able to trust that she knew of.quote:
I stand corrected...
So was Grizz Fix in the original version or was he digitally remastered?
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In the OT why did Leia ship get stopped right by the exact planet where the guy she needed to get the message to was, where a kid of the evil Vader was in hiding, who happened to be her brother, where the droids found that kid and they found that old man while encountering almost no one else on that entire planet....
Leia was on her way to see Obi-wan, that's why she got stopped there, and sent the droids to the planet to look for him.
The droids didn't find Obi-wan, Obi-wan was watching over Luke, and showed up when the Tusken Raiders attacked.
Luke was on the same planet because Obi-wan followed him there.
They didn't run into anyone else because Luke lived on a condenser farm and they got attacked along the road to town.
Now, Luke's uncle buying R2 and 3PO was a coincidence.
Still awfully convenient....I mean why was she going to find Obi Wan in the first place (her fathers orders sure, but)....
- How did she even know he would still be there or still be alive, he could have been dead
- Obi Wan was one Jedi with no apprentices, no army of any kind, he couldn't even defeat Vader himself
- He didn't even really end up doing anything significant except turning off the power to let them escape and then sacrificing himself. he didn't fight anyone else except one guy in a bar skirmish.
- He didn't have a ship for transport or even the money to hire one.
Leia risked everything to get to this one guy???? He was their only hope??? And it was to get him to Alderaan for some reason...well that never materialized.
Great movie and I love it but....simple plot driven contrivances...or the FORCE acting to put people together....pretty much the same thing.
quote:The subtle stuff that was added, primarily background shots and some digital cleanup, was just fine and actually enhanced the films a bit.quote:
Also, ROTJ was more negatively impacted by the special editions than the other 2 films, imo. I will agree that the end track is better in the special edition, but it's criminal what they did to the first 30 minutes of the movie.
I wish there was a "fan vote" version of the special editions. Everybody basically wants the unedited originals, but I don't hate all the changes.
Get rid of the slapstick Mos Eisley stuff, Greedo shooting first, awkward Jabba, ethnic Boba Fett voice, Jabba's palace band (by far the worst addition), and Hayden F***ing Christensen... Did I miss any?
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I stand corrected...
So was Grizz Fix in the original version or was he digitally remastered?
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In the OT why did Leia ship get stopped right by the exact planet where the guy she needed to get the message to was, where a kid of the evil Vader was in hiding, who happened to be her brother, where the droids found that kid and they found that old man while encountering almost no one else on that entire planet....
Leia was on her way to see Obi-wan, that's why she got stopped there, and sent the droids to the planet to look for him.
The droids didn't find Obi-wan, Obi-wan was watching over Luke, and showed up when the Tusken Raiders attacked.
Luke was on the same planet because Obi-wan followed him there.
They didn't run into anyone else because Luke lived on a condenser farm and they got attacked along the road to town.
Now, Luke's uncle buying R2 and 3PO was a coincidence.
Still awfully convenient....I mean why was she going to find Obi Wan in the first place (her fathers orders sure, but)....
- How did she even know he would still be there or still be alive, he could have been dead
- Obi Wan was one Jedi with no apprentices, no army of any kind, he couldn't even defeat Vader himself
- He didn't even really end up doing anything significant except turning off the power to let them escape and then sacrificing himself. he didn't fight anyone else except one guy in a bar skirmish.
- He didn't have a ship for transport or even the money to hire one.
Leia risked everything to get to this one guy???? He was their only hope??? And it was to get him to Alderaan for some reason...well that never materialized.
Great movie and I love it but....simple plot driven contrivances...or the FORCE acting to put people together....pretty much the same thing.
quote:The climax of ROTJ I would put slightly ahead of ROTS. However, the lows of ROTJ are much lower than ROTS'. There are cringy moments in both movies but nothing worse than seeing Ewoks taking out Stormtroopers with rocks.quote:The positives of the film was getting the Anakin Skywalker we had all been waiting the entire trilogy for, probably the second best lightsaber duel in the franchise between Kenobi and Anakin, and a film that was more about the Jedi, Anakin, Kenobi, and Padme than it was about galactic politics like the two previous PT films. It was also very entertaining, something that much of the PT lacked IMO.quote:
Revenge of the Sith is a better overall movie despite what the prequel gaters will have you believe.
Better than Return of the Jedi? lol...
Now are Anakin's whining, at times crappy dialogue, Vader's reaction to hearing that Padme died at his hands, and poor romantic scenes made up for? I don't think so. That's why IMO ROTJ is a superior film, despite the decision to make Leia Luke's sister in the film and the Ewok super army.
quote:quote:I never got the impression she was there to find Obi Wan at all. She was carrying the death star plans to the rebels when she was waylaid by the Empire near Tatooine and out of desperation sent her droid down to the planet to the only person available who she might be able to trust that she knew of.quote:
I stand corrected...
So was Grizz Fix in the original version or was he digitally remastered?
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In the OT why did Leia ship get stopped right by the exact planet where the guy she needed to get the message to was, where a kid of the evil Vader was in hiding, who happened to be her brother, where the droids found that kid and they found that old man while encountering almost no one else on that entire planet....
Leia was on her way to see Obi-wan, that's why she got stopped there, and sent the droids to the planet to look for him.
The droids didn't find Obi-wan, Obi-wan was watching over Luke, and showed up when the Tusken Raiders attacked.
Luke was on the same planet because Obi-wan followed him there.
They didn't run into anyone else because Luke lived on a condenser farm and they got attacked along the road to town.
Now, Luke's uncle buying R2 and 3PO was a coincidence.
Still awfully convenient....I mean why was she going to find Obi Wan in the first place (her fathers orders sure, but)....
- How did she even know he would still be there or still be alive, he could have been dead
- Obi Wan was one Jedi with no apprentices, no army of any kind, he couldn't even defeat Vader himself
- He didn't even really end up doing anything significant except turning off the power to let them escape and then sacrificing himself. he didn't fight anyone else except one guy in a bar skirmish.
- He didn't have a ship for transport or even the money to hire one.
Leia risked everything to get to this one guy???? He was their only hope??? And it was to get him to Alderaan for some reason...well that never materialized.
Great movie and I love it but....simple plot driven contrivances...or the FORCE acting to put people together....pretty much the same thing.
quote:It's over Anakin, I have the high ground.
However, the lows of ROTJ are much lower than ROTS'.
quote:That's kinetic energy at work friend. I believe that over the Chosen One losing a duel because someone is standing on a slight incline.
quote:It's over Anakin, I'm standing on the pitcher's mound!
Well then you are lost!
quote:I'm not saying that Chuck Norris' build a bear army wasn't ridiculous, but it was at least enjoyable. The emotions in ROTJ were much, much more genuine than those forced romantic scenes in ROTS (Hold me, like you did by the lake on Naboo; so long ago when there was nothing but our love. No politics, no plotting, no war). That's not to mention some of the other lines of dialogue in the film that was just..... clunk or awkward.
The climax of ROTJ I would put slightly ahead of ROTS. However, the lows of ROTJ are much lower than ROTS'. There are cringy moments in both movies but nothing worse than seeing Ewoks taking out Stormtroopers with rocks.
And in place of all the crappy Ewok stuff, we're getting Order 66, the birth of the Empire, and Anakin/Vader marching on the Jedi Temple.
Also, the opening battle over Coruscant > Jabba's Palace, until the moment at the Sarlacc pit.
quote:Funny thing is that I'll watch the second half of ROTJ before I watch the second half of ROTS. Ewoks and all. I remember the sense of risk being much great and real than at any point in ROTS or the PT for that matter. Maybe that's because I grew up with the OT on VHS and watched them frequently. About as frequently as I watched the original Star Trek films or Top Gun.
The first half of ROTS is still slow, but the second half is better than the second half of ROTJ.
quote:Well sure. With the prequels we know the outcome going in, so it's naturally lower stakes.
Funny thing is that I'll watch the second half of ROTJ before I watch the second half of ROTS. Ewoks and all. I remember the sense of risk being much great and real than at any point in ROTS or the PT for that matter.
