quote:quote:Based solely on Episode IV vs. Episode VII
Vader >>>>> Kylo Ren
Luke >>>>> Rey
Young Han >>>>> Old Han/Finn
Young Leia >>>>> Poe
I'll give you these.
Vader >>>>> Kylo Ren
Young Han >>>>> Old Han/Finn
Rey>>>>>>Luke
A scavenger who never complains, is always helping others and then uses the force in a pretty solid lightsaber duel vs. a complaining farm boy who literally *****es the entire movie up until the point where he listens to a force ghost to blow up the death star.
Poe >>>=== Young Leia
Hot shot pilot is is witty like Han and kicks ass in the air vs. a damsel in distress
C'mon man.
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Also, Vader was a badass looking, menacing villain, but he was not fleshed out in the first movie. That came later.
You cannot fairly compare Kylo's one movie appearance to Vader's six.
Kylo is a much better, deeper character than Vader was one movie in.
Is this not common sense?
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Can you do the 2000 word version? I'd love to read it.
And what 12 year old is ranking movies out of 10?
quote:Kylo Ren's character is a whiny, conflicted brat who uses his light saber to smash thing in temper tantrums. Darth Vader was just a generic bad guy in black who didn't even need to move or ever take off the mask for any kind of expression of character. The idea that they should be similar? Meh. Vader in the initial movie is closer to being Darth Maul than he is to being Kylo Ren. It's surprising Lucas didn't kill him off immediately knowing how it goes in most Lucas films. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that that was the case, except they edited it out when they had to go in and save that movie in editing.quote:
Also, Vader was a badass looking, menacing villain, but he was not fleshed out in the first movie. That came later.
You cannot fairly compare Kylo's one movie appearance to Vader's six.
Kylo is a much better, deeper character than Vader was one movie in.
Is this not common sense?
Kylo Ren was easily my favorite character in the movie, but Darth Vader is one of the greatest cinematic villains ever - in just A New Hope. Every scene he's in in ANH is menacing and suspenseful. He keeps killing his own guys for their failures. He chokes people from across the room. His very breath is menacing and foreboding.
Kylo Ren can't beat a 100-lb girl in a light saber battle when she's literally never even held a light saber before.
Is it not common sense who the better villain is?
Also, Darth Vader wasn't in six movies, only three, and I didn't even like the third one. Annie Skywalker is no Darth Vader.
quote:I wasn't being sarcastic at all. I'll give you my email address if you prefer to send it just to me.quote:
Can you do the 2000 word version? I'd love to read it.
And what 12 year old is ranking movies out of 10?
I'm guessing you're being sarcastic about reading 2000 words. TC pretty much has the views I have of the movie.
Paul, my 12-yr-old, is not a movie lover. 2 hours in a chair is like torture to him unless the movie is great, or makes him really think.
3 recent movies he has seen and loved are Looper, Edge of Tomorrow and Sixth Sense.
He hated TFA. I asked him to rate it on a scale of 10, he said 2. His older brothers liked it but didn't love it.
Again, I wanted to love it, but....
quote:so this may have already been discussed elsewhere, but we don't know for sure who any of the characters are in Rogue one, right?
17 months....until Episode VIII
but only 12 months until Rogue One - a one off movie set between Episode 3 and 4 with none of the familiar SW roles except vader (that we know of, maybe a cameo?).
quote:quote:so this may have already been discussed elsewhere, but we don't know for sure who any of the characters are in Rogue one, right?
17 months....until Episode VIII
but only 12 months until Rogue One - a one off movie set between Episode 3 and 4 with none of the familiar SW roles except vader (that we know of, maybe a cameo?).
it'd be cool if the old guy from the beginning of TFA is a key character so we can learn more about him.
quote:I'm going on much more than that between myself and family members seeing it multiple times PLUS lining up to buy the t-shirts and special 3D glasses at the theater opening night AND the Stars Wars toys I've bought my 2 kids this Christmas. I bet I'm pushing $500 by now and I've loved spending every penny of it.
Lol, $4.50.
I've shelled out $55 on this movie and regret nothing.
quote:I don't think you worry too much about the random/casual fans making the connection.quote:quote:so this may have already been discussed elsewhere, but we don't know for sure who any of the characters are in Rogue one, right?
17 months....until Episode VIII
but only 12 months until Rogue One - a one off movie set between Episode 3 and 4 with none of the familiar SW roles except vader (that we know of, maybe a cameo?).
it'd be cool if the old guy from the beginning of TFA is a key character so we can learn more about him.
except he would be much younger....it's 35 years before the events of TFA. It's possible of course, but would random fans make the connection to a completely different actor.
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Kylo Ren can't beat a 100-lb girl in a light saber battle when she's literally never even held a light saber before.
Is it not common sense who the better villain
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Interesting side note for X-Wing lovers. We all know the T-65 was the ship of the Rebellion era. The Resistance uses the umproved T-70. The Republic, however, flies the T-85, which is as maneuverable as a Rebellion-era A-Wing.
Neat.
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Luke was a whiny ***** at first, but he was believable as a badass later on in ANH because his character had been more fully developed than Rey's. Rey is not believable for me. Sbe fights like the 100-lb girl she is in the light saber duel. I just have trouble buying her transformation/abilities. I realize Rey is adored by most, but I don't see it.
quote:Did you miss the part where Obi Wan Kenobi's ghost and Luke dropped off their love-child in the desert so that she could experience an authentic post-Order 66 Jedi child hood?
How did Rey get to Jakku?
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Kylo Ren can't beat a 100-lb girl in a light saber battle when she's literally never even held a light saber before.
Is it not common sense who the better villain
Ren had just been shot in the left side of his torso by a freaking crossbow. You know that powerful weapon Chewie used that knocked stormtroopers of their feet when shot?! Ren was injured during the saber fight. Plus it isn't like Rey had true sabe skills. She spent most of the fight trying to stab at Ren like poking a dead body with a stick.
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I would buy the distraction angle, but it's similar to what I brought up before. When Rey ignites the lightsaber, why wouldn't he just freeze her in place like he did on Maz's planet?
Maybe he thought she could break out of it like she did his mind invasion?
quote:Yes, otherwise why would they even bother with lightsabers. Every fight between force users would just be two people standing apart trying to snap each other's neck with the force.quote:
I would buy the distraction angle, but it's similar to what I brought up before. When Rey ignites the lightsaber, why wouldn't he just freeze her in place like he did on Maz's planet?
Maybe he thought she could break out of it like she did his mind invasion?
It's tough to use such powers on someone whose ally is the Force. Rey was susceptible before because she was either ignorant of it or denying it. Once she grabs the lightsaber, she is starting to accept it.
quote:The end of Episode III implied that the ability to return as a Force ghost was a particularly novel skill (although Anakin's appearance at the end of ROTJ would appear to contradict that). Han has no evident Force powers at any point, so it would be a substantial departure from canon for him to return.
I haven't looked at any of this thread but does everyone think that's the last we see of Han Solo or do we get glimpses of him again like Obi Wan
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She spent most of the fight trying to stab at Ren like poking a dead body with a stick.
quote:quote:The end of Episode III implied that the ability to return as a Force ghost was a particularly novel skill (although Anakin's appearance at the end of ROTJ would appear to contradict that). Han has no evident Force powers at any point, so it would be a substantial departure from canon for him to return.
I haven't looked at any of this thread but does everyone think that's the last we see of Han Solo or do we get glimpses of him again like Obi Wan
Plus Harrison Ford wanted to be done with this character thirty years ago and it took a whole ****pot of money to get him to be in this one, so I think all signs point to no.
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B-Wing or gtfo.
In all seriousness, if some of you haven't played Star Wars: Empire at War (old RTS game), buy it off Steam for $5 during the sale. The space combat is simplistic, but much like running over Orcs with the Roherrim in Battle for Middle Earth, it's tough to find a more satisfying way to kill 15 minutes than killing a space station with 30 Y-Wings.
