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Did I miss something or was the "The Force is strong in our family....." part not in the movie?

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It was in Jedi.

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I think the quick pick of powers is more in line with the OT. All the training and being "too old" at 8 is crap from the PT.

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Oh I didn't know Luke was 8 and not in his late 20s in Empire.

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Luke was 19 in ANH and in his early 20s in Empire.

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I didn't think their age was ever stated. I was basing it off Hamills age.

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I was really hoping the old guy was going to be Wedge Antilles.

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That was the only person that popped into mind, but apparently was someone we've never really heard of.

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Did I miss something or was the "The Force is strong in our family....." part not in the movie?

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It was in Jedi.

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The quote from the trailer is a continuation of the scene you mentioned in Jedi. he adds "you have it" after "my sister has it"

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It looks like Rey can get a glimpse of the future; the end fight scene was in her vision?

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I don't think that was the future, but rather was going back to Cloud City from ESB. Actually, I'm fairly positive that everything in that Force vision was completely related to the lightsaber's history and thus Luke himself.

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It looks like Rey can get a glimpse of the future; the end fight scene was in her vision?

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I don't think that was the future, but rather was going back to Cloud City from ESB. Actually, I'm fairly positive that everything in that Force vision was completely related to the lightsaber's history and thus Luke himself.

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I don't know, it seemed to me at the end of the vision she was in a forest, but it all happened pretty quickly. I may have been mistaken.

Excellent movie but one gripe for gripe's sake. Despite the great acting by Harrison Ford, the murder scene of Han Solo didn't work well for me. The son didn't have an ounce of Leia or Han in his personality or looks. Also, if they're trying to set up a redemption moment for Kylo, it would be hard after killing off his own dad. It doesn't do Solo right to die like that.

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Excellent movie but one gripe for gripe's sake. Despite the great acting by Harrison Ford, the murder scene of Han Solo didn't work well for me. The son didn't have an ounce of Leia or Han in his personality or looks. Also, if they're trying to set up a redemption moment for Kylo, it would be hard after killing off his own dad. It doesn't do Solo right to die like that.

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This was my only complaint. Something didn't sit right with me after the Solo death scene and how it was treated. It seemed not worthy of the character. Agree that I can't see a redemption angle now after killing off the most beloved character in the franchise.

on the Han Solo death several thoughts.....


a. i knew it was coming from soon after the reveal of who Kylo Ren was...suddenly i went "oh ****....yep either he is gonna sacrifice himself or Ren will just betray him.......ugh"
b. somebody HAD to die, someone of significance, otherwise it is just another happy go lucky fun George Lucas ride with all of our lovable characters.
c. its DISNEY ...again someone HAS to die particularly a parent.
d. I'm wondering if Harrison Ford himself wasn't done with it. his press tour interviews for it were odd, he really wasn't so enthralled with the entire experience and really doesn't treat star wars and Han Solo any different than any other movie he has been in. partly that may be that he has been in so many and been around the block so much. maybe he is just done. he really didn't seem to care.
e. at his age maybe Harrison and/or Abrams were worried about him carrying it any further from a physical point of view. he is significantly older than any others from the original cast (73 now). carrie is 59, mark hammill is 64.



well anyway other than that, which i really don't mind from a story narrative (although i was nearly brought to tears).....

i loved everything about it. it hit exactly the right note.

PERFECTLY cast. all of the new characters were nailed - Rey, Poe, Finn, BB-8 were all great, and Kylo was amazing i thought. Vader was so menacingly evil because he was so stoic and robotic and single minded.....Kylo Ren you could see was unstable and conflicted and deeply troubled. Thats a great new villain and a great way not to repeat the same story. He may also be completely unredeemable which is fine.

Also the story was great - the HUMAN element that was missing from the prequels was there...I cared about this new group greatly and they were lovable, yet flawed, dynamic, and their personalities came through on screen.

And Abrams had the sets and technology perfect....thank god little or no green screen crap...it felt real like the originals. BRAVO!!!! And it was rich and varied and gritty like the originals not shiny like the prequels.

Finally, it had plenty of NOSTALGIC moments but not overkill...but I want to see it again and again to catch all the little parts.

Definitely 3rd best in the franchise (maybe 2nd?) which is saying something...the first 2 were among the best ever for me......It's at least better than ROTJ and any of the prequels by far. I'm not sure if it will be 2nd best until subsequent viewings, if it has the lasting power of the first two, time will tell.

My teen kids also loved it which is saying something...my daughter had never really seen the originals all the way through not since she was tiny anyway and does not remember them completely. Now she wants to watch the entire original triilogy this weekend.

Great movie. Poe Dameron agrees...

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Don't know if it's been mentioned, but the bearded X-Wing pilot is Temmin "Snap" Wexley, one of the main characters in Aftermath.

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I thought I could almost hear a groan in the crowd when people realized the spare cop from Heroes was in the movie

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on the Han Solo death several thoughts.....


a. i knew it was coming from soon after the reveal of who Kylo Ren was...suddenly i went "oh ****....yep either he is gonna sacrifice himself or Ren will just betray him.......ugh"
b. somebody HAD to die, someone of significance, otherwise it is just another happy go lucky fun George Lucas ride with all of our lovable characters.
c. its DISNEY ...again someone HAS to die particularly a parent.
d. I'm wondering if Harrison Ford himself wasn't done with it. his press tour interviews for it were odd, he really wasn't so enthralled with the entire experience and really doesn't treat star wars and Han Solo any different than any other movie he has been in. partly that may be that he has been in so many and been around the block so much. maybe he is just done. he really didn't seem to care.
e. at his age maybe Harrison and/or Abrams were worried about him carrying it any further from a physical point of view. he is significantly older than any others from the original cast (73 now). carrie is 59, mark hammill is 64.

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To clarify...Han dying wasn't an issue with me. I actually like the "no one is safe" concept. My issue was how it happened.

I agree that the death of Han seemed off..

I think it would have been better if Leia went with them on the mission.. and she had a small duel with Ren.. and similar to Empire Strike Back.. then when Ren is about to kill his mother.. he stops. .. Han tries to talk reason to him.. he seems to be listening then.. Wham..stabs Han.. before he can strike Leia.. Chewie shots him and .. they flee..

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I agree that the death of Hans seemed off..

I think it would have been better if Leia went with them on the mission.. and she had a small duel with Ren.. and similar to Empire Strike Back.. then when Ren is about to kill his mother.. he stops. .. Hans tries to talk reason to him.. he seems to be listening then.. Wham..stabs Hans.. before he can strike Leia.. Chewie shots him and .. they flee..

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on the Han Solo death several thoughts.....


a. i knew it was coming from soon after the reveal of who Kylo Ren was...suddenly i went "oh ****....yep either he is gonna sacrifice himself or Ren will just betray him.......ugh"
b. somebody HAD to die, someone of significance, otherwise it is just another happy go lucky fun George Lucas ride with all of our lovable characters.
c. its DISNEY ...again someone HAS to die particularly a parent.
d. I'm wondering if Harrison Ford himself wasn't done with it. his press tour interviews for it were odd, he really wasn't so enthralled with the entire experience and really doesn't treat star wars and Han Solo any different than any other movie he has been in. partly that may be that he has been in so many and been around the block so much. maybe he is just done. he really didn't seem to care.
e. at his age maybe Harrison and/or Abrams were worried about him carrying it any further from a physical point of view. he is significantly older than any others from the original cast (73 now). carrie is 59, mark hammill is 64.

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To clarify...Han dying wasn't an issue with me. I actually like the "no one is safe" concept. My issue was how it happened.

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ok...and i wasn't arguing it or really replying to you in any way...there were several discussions on Han's death. Thats why I did not reply to you directly. My comments were in general.

I got the vibe the chick is a solo. That's why kylo wouldn't kill her or really hurt her when he didn't get info from her. He was conflicted about his feelings toward her. The world separating them when breaking apart. His push to the emperor to convert her. For a dude that doesn't like his own parents, why would he care about his parents neice? Or even Luke's daughter, he doesn't like luke either.

Han wanting to keep her close like a daughter. Her engineering prowess, Luke wasn't like that. He was a dummy when it came to how things work "what's that flashing?!" One could claim anakin knew how things worked, but jj abrahams seemed to try and ignore the prequels with this film.


Which brings me to the how did she take the lightsaber from a trained force user. This goes back to the f up of the prequels and midichlorians. As the jedi are presented in the prequels, mastery of the force is something like a multiple certification programs. It's something to be quantified and understood.
Swordplay: __acceptable__
Mindreading: __failed__
Force push: __acceptable__

In the original SW, the fights weren't about how skilled you are with a lightsaber but rather your oneness with the Force. Two masters Vader and kenobi weren't jumping off the rafters at each other. Luke tapping into the dark side was the only way to defeat his father in rotj.

So the moment the girl was reminded to be one with the force....she channeled the winning ability to defeat kylo. When you are one with the force, it moves you, not the other way around (as kenobi explained, but it can also take your commands)

Enjoyed it.

Despite the fact that Kylo was hurt, I didn't quite believe how Finn was able to sword fight Kylo as long as he did. Figured a Jedi/Sith/etc. could handle a mere storm trooper with ease (i.e. in a few seconds).

(Maybe Finn does have a bit of Force within him?)

...on the Harrison Ford/Han Solo topic and Ford wanting to be done with it.....

I came across this article ad some video links which showed some old footage clearly showing Fords disdain for the character (at least at the time of ROTJ) and thinking he should have died then...

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/19/10624632/star-wars-force-awakens-spoilers

I think maybe he was finally happy to come back and do it one more time ONLY so he could kill him off. He probably only agreed to it with that stipulation and with Lucas out of the picture (so to speak) he trusted Abrams to do it. Really obvious in interviews for this one that he really didn't care that much although he could not give away the big plot spoiler of Ren's parentage or Han's death. He just made appearances and barely talked about it.

I think this also might be a big reason why Lucas is so "divorced" from it as he has made statements recently to that effect.

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Enjoyed it.

Despite the fact that Kylo was hurt, I didn't quite believe how Finn was able to sword fight Kylo as long as he did. Figured a Jedi/Sith/etc. could handle a mere storm trooper with ease (i.e. in a few seconds).

(Maybe Finn does have a bit of Force within him?)

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I'm pretty certain he does. Remember in the Falcon, he and Rey seemed to have a connection on when to do certain things.

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Enjoyed it.

Despite the fact that Kylo was hurt, I didn't quite believe how Finn was able to sword fight Kylo as long as he did. Figured a Jedi/Sith/etc. could handle a mere storm trooper with ease (i.e. in a few seconds).

(Maybe Finn does have a bit of Force within him?)

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I'm pretty certain he does. Remember in the Falcon, he and Rey seemed to have a connection on when to do certain things.

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also remember Kylo Ren seems to sense him on the first raid of the village when he stops to look at him and later knows his designation letters/numbers.....and he is not surprised that he was the one who stole the ship and helped Poe escape.

Anyone else notice at the end of the movie that Rey's staff seems to have lightsaber hilts on each end?

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Don't know if it's been mentioned, but the bearded X-Wing pilot is Temmin "Snap" Wexley, one of the main characters in Aftermath.

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Trivia for the day, since someone here probably doesn't know.

He and JJ Abrams have been friends since they were kids. He's had some role in almost every one of his projects.

Going from being in your buddy's homemade movies to having him direct you in Star Wars is a pretty crazy ride.

Something a friend mentioned related to Han's death that bothered me as well.

When the Falcon got back after he'd been killed, Chewie walked right past Leia. You would think that they would share a moment there.

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Something a friend mentioned related to Han's death that bothered me as well.

When the Falcon got back after he'd been killed, Chewie walked right past Leia. You would think that they would share a moment there.

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I mentioned it up in my summary, but I thought even weirder is that Rey and Leia hug each other, despite supposedly meeting each other for the first time. Any hidden meaning y'all think?

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Enjoyed it.

Despite the fact that Kylo was hurt, I didn't quite believe how Finn was able to sword fight Kylo as long as he did. Figured a Jedi/Sith/etc. could handle a mere storm trooper with ease (i.e. in a few seconds).

(Maybe Finn does have a bit of Force within him?)

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I'm pretty certain he does. Remember in the Falcon, he and Rey seemed to have a connection on when to do certain things.

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also remember Kylo Ren seems to sense him on the first raid of the village when he stops to look at him and later knows his designation letters/numbers.....and he is not surprised that he was the one who stole the ship and helped Poe escape.

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I really hope Finn turns out to be Mace Windu's grand kid (or something), and somewhere in Episode VIII (holding a gun at someone) says:

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Something a friend mentioned related to Han's death that bothered me as well.

When the Falcon got back after he'd been killed, Chewie walked right past Leia. You would think that they would share a moment there.

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I mentioned it up in my summary, but I thought even weirder is that Rey and Leia hug each other, despite supposedly meeting each other for the first time. Any hidden meaning y'all think?

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That worked for me, this young girl shows up after a crazy experience and Leia's maternal instinct kicked in.

Now, is it also a sign that Leia might also have sensed who she was, whoever that may be? Quite possibly.