***** Brace for Impact: The Official Houston Texans 2021 Thread *****

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In reply to Ryan34 • 3:21p, 12/8/21
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Ryan34 said:
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pagerman @ work said:
Ryan34 said:
Sounds like it was more than a simple disagreement. But still, not great. He had value and would have been better to at least trade him.
I'm beginning to wonder if that is just the position Culley takes to either sound in charge, or to cover for management.

He just seems totally lost, but maybe not bright enough to realize how lost he really is. I can't decide if it's that or he is simply willing to put up with any stupidity to keep the checks coming.

Is he a victim of management or a willing participant? Or maybe both?


Culley was given a lot of money to be here for 2 years and just go with it. That has to be it.

I doubt he gets more than 1 year.
I don't think there is any reason to even try to bring a competent coaching staff in here (if one would take it) prior to the Watson thing being worked out one way or the other. Until then the franchise is in limbo.

On top of that, Bill Belichick coaching this team would not have made much of a difference in the outcome this season, or next for that matter. For the next couple of years this is entirely in the hands of the GM. What happens on the field (beyond that it determines draft position) is ancillary. This team is garbage for the next 3-4 years at least; why bother with trying to find a real captain for the Titanic after it has already hit the iceberg and taken on a significant amount of water? It won't make a difference. (Although I suppose it could be argued that that is exactly who Culley is).
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In reply to pagerman @ work • 3:29p, 12/8/21
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And he just shuffled the deck chairs again.
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3:30p, 12/8/21
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Certainly an odd move considering his contract. Cunningham hasn't been playing good football lately, but there has to be more to this story than just an uninterested player.
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3:30p, 12/8/21
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Speaking of Deshaun...I heard some guys in 610 talking yesterday that the Texans may end up releasing him outright.

Apparently his case will be presented to the grand jury in January and if he's indicted then the NFL would step in and put him on the exempt list and he could miss the entire 2022 season.

Their discussion was would the Texans continue to pay him because at that point his new deal would kick in and they'd be paying something like $38mm rather than the $10mm they're paying him now.

At that point it may not be worth the draft capital that he would get to pay him that much to not play and they may decide to cut the cord.

That would certainly throw a wrench into the rebuild plans. Interesting discussion.
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In reply to pagerman @ work • 4:04p, 12/8/21
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You're right, no HC would have made a difference this year. But they will bring in someone to help shape the vision and strategy going forward.

Going into last offseason, they had no draft picks, several bad contracts, and lots of holes. The goal this year was simply to hit the reset button essentially. There was no point trying to bring in a top level HC because we were doomed to have lots of blowout losses that will turn off most fans. So we brought in a 65, now 66 year old career assistant. Odds were very slim that he'd be successful even without the Texans' issues.

People are probably going to meltdown when we fire Culley after just 1 year that he had no chance of succeeding, but it was likely the plan all along (barring some miracle job by Culley). Firing him will allow them to truly have a clean slate headed into next year and give the next guy the chance to shape the team as he sees fit.

Caserio is already making the typical "won't make any comment until after the season" statements. Not saying it's right, but they very likely had planned on Culley being a 1 year rental all along. Culley probably realized that as well. But at least it's a nice paycheck before retirement.
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In reply to Ryan34 • 4:14p, 12/8/21
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But what's changed that A) a decent HC would want this job and B) a decent HC would make a difference? I guess maybe now there's no bad contracts.

I can't imagine a decent HC would want anything to do with this franchise right now. If he's a decent up and comer why wouldn't he just wait it out for a better job.
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In reply to Ryan34 • 4:25p, 12/8/21
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Ryan34 said:
You're right, no HC would have made a difference this year. But they will bring in someone to help shape the vision and strategy going forward.

Going into last offseason, they had no draft picks, several bad contracts, and lots of holes. The goal this year was simply to hit the reset button essentially. There was no point trying to bring in a top level HC because we were doomed to have lots of blowout losses that will turn off most fans. So we brought in a 65, now 66 year old career assistant. Odds were very slim that he'd be successful even without the Texans' issues.

People are probably going to meltdown when we fire Culley after just 1 year that he had no chance of succeeding, but it was likely the plan all along (barring some miracle job by Culley). Firing him will allow them to truly have a clean slate headed into next year and give the next guy the chance to shape the team as he sees fit.

Caserio is already making the typical "won't make any comment until after the season" statements. Not saying it's right, but they very likely had planned on Culley being a 1 year rental all along. Culley probably realized that as well. But at least it's a nice paycheck before retirement.
I think they planned on Culley being a 2-3 year rental and the only thing that has changed is that the time horizon for getting this thing going in the right direction has gotten longer, not shorter.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree on next year, unless Watson gets dealt for a bunch of picks. Assuming that does not happen, the Texans will be able to draft some players but not enough to really make that big a difference and next season is more or less a continuation of this season. The X-factor will be getting Watson traded. To me, that signals when the real "rebuild" can begin. Prior to that they don't need a clean slate since it really doesn't matter (particularly in a year without a big-name QB in the draft).
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In reply to Ag_07 • 5:10p, 12/8/21
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Lol!!! Such a texans move to possibly get absolutely nothing for watson
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In reply to Ag_07 • 5:46p, 12/8/21
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Ag_07 said:
But what's changed that A) a decent HC would want this job and B) a decent HC would make a difference? I guess maybe now there's no bad contracts.

I can't imagine a decent HC would want anything to do with this franchise right now. If he's a decent up and comer why wouldn't he just wait it out for a better job.


These are my thoughts as well. I don't see how the franchise is really much better suited now than they were last year to hire someone they'd actually want and expect to be successful long term.

I think Caserio has done a decent job but this team has such a long way to go. And if they manage to get nothing for Watson then it becomes an even worse situation for a new coach.
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In reply to Ag_07 • 5:53p, 12/8/21
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Ag_07 said:
But what's changed that A) a decent HC would want this job and B) a decent HC would make a difference? I guess maybe now there's no bad contracts.

I can't imagine a decent HC would want anything to do with this franchise right now. If he's a decent up and comer why wouldn't he just wait it out for a better job.

The difference is having cap space and picks. The next guy will be able to bring in players to fit his vision/strategy (or that will be the pitch).

Keeping Culley around means picking players to fit his style. They aren't going to do that, nor should they. A bunch of vets on 1 year contracts is one thing. High round draft picks with no plan of how they fit long term is a very different scenario.

Not saying they will be able to attract a good candidate. Just that they will take a shot now that they have something at risk (high round picks).
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In reply to pagerman @ work • 5:56p, 12/8/21
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No chance they ever were going to let Culley be around for a high pick. He was always a 1 year rental unless they somehow far exceeded expectations.
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In reply to Ryan34 • 8:02p, 12/8/21
Gm makes the picks not the coach. Guess y'all forgot that with butt chin running the show so long.

Now the real question becomes, can caserio a actually make picks or was it billy running the show in New England(we know he was)
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In reply to redag06 • 8:08p, 12/8/21
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GM makes the picks, but obviously the HC is going to have a voice too. And regardless, the player has to fit the schemes the team currently runs. The GM isn't going to take someone who's purely a 3-4 LB if the team doesn't run a 3-4, for example.
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9:20p, 12/8/21
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regarding Cunningham and his contract...

this franchise has a terrible habit of spending / wasting money on linebackers.

along with safety it's the most dime-a-dozen position on defense.

spend your money on CB, DT, and DE/Edge
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8:42a, 12/9/21
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This team is fckd right now. I actually miss BoB. Seriously

They're in such a bad spot. Culley needs to go because he can't even yes man well enough but at the same time they're not ready for a quality HC.
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2:08p, 12/9/21
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Jon Greenard on Cunningham:

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It wasn't the first time. Something had to be done.

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In reply to Ag_07 • 2:36p, 12/9/21
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This team is fckd right now. I actually miss BoB. Seriously


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3:50p, 12/9/21
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Titans claimed Cunningham. That means they take his contract and it doesn't affect our cap, right?
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In reply to Snake Jazz • 3:59p, 12/9/21
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No, we take the dead cap hit of $5.3M in 2021 and $12.8M in 2022. Titans get him on the cheap and he only had an injury guarantee for his 2022 $10M salary which converts to a full guarantee on March 22, 2022.

Said another way, the Titans pay him very little and can cut him after the season without dead cap if they want.
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In reply to Snake Jazz • 4:05p, 12/9/21
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Snake Jazz said:
Titans claimed Cunningham. That means they take his contract and it doesn't affect our cap, right?


They don't get off that easy.

That was a bad bad contract. He was being paid like he was one of the best ILB in the league.
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1:28p, 12/12/21
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Fairbairn with a 61 yard field goal.
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2:28p, 12/12/21
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Can FOX just switch to the Cowboys game please?
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10:29a, 12/19/21
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Ok the eagles officially have 3 1st Rd picks. Let's take them all and expedite this rebuild
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1:43p, 12/19/21
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Mills looking like a Matt Shaub 2.0 protegee
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2:34p, 12/19/21
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The Texans have the power in their hands to take the #1 draft pick today but if they dick around and win they're going to blow it.
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2:39p, 12/19/21
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When did Phillip Dorsett get on this roster?
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3:00p, 12/19/21
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Bad win today. That's gonna cost the Texans
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In reply to Frok • 3:06p, 12/19/21
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Frok said:
Bad win today. That's gonna cost the Texans

Not a must have 1st rounder, just need to trade down
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3:16p, 12/19/21
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Too funny

We can not even lose when we need too. Man the jags are bad.
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3:54p, 12/19/21
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Mills outplayed Lawrence today. Did not expect that before the season
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In reply to Texan_Aggie • 3:57p, 12/19/21
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Mills outplayed Lawrence today. Did not expect that before the season

Mills has out played most rookies all year. Not sure what his ceiling is though.
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4:04p, 12/19/21
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Yeah Mills has out performed every rookie besides Mac Jones.
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In reply to Frok • 11:15p, 12/19/21
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Bad win today. That's gonna cost the Texans


Not necessarily, they aren't one player away, and there is no can't miss prospect in the draft…the Texans have a ton of holes to fill and this draft won't make or break them.
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7:23a, 12/20/21
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I just hope that whatever Mills has shown is enough to stay away from drafting a qb at the top of this draft. Looking at the rest of the schedule (vs LAC, @ SF, vs TN) 3 wins feels like we've hit our ceiling. Jags play the Jets next weekend, that game could solidify us getting at worst the No 3 pick in the draft. Detroit's next 2 games are @ ATL and @ SEA, they play like they did against AZ and they have a shot to win one of them. It feels like Houston drafts at 2 or 3 in the draft, which is fine.
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10:58a, 12/20/21
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I don't view the dropoff between #1 and #3 to be significant here. We are not drafting a QB with this years' crop. My bet is Nick wants to give Mills an offseason to prepare as the assumed starter and see how he handles it as opposed to this year's hot potato approach to starting QBs.

Nick will draft much like NE - amass picks and draft quality players. They'll find their QB one way or another via draft or trade, but drafting high on a QB with a terrible supporting cast has proven to be ineffective.
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