Why? I don't like the Rooney Rule any more than the next person.bigjag19 said:rbcs_2 said:I've seen this said a few times. Thinking about it though, nothing would invalidate the lawsuit faster than the Flores people adding teams (every team is in the lawsuit by the way) just because he didn't get a job or wasn't a finalist.Texan_Aggie said:
Flores has to be a finalist. If you drop him then you either get put on his lawsuit and/or sued for retaliation. Texans know they can't get more bad press. They have to make it believable one way or another.
Flores had very specific reasons to name the Broncos, Dolphins, and Giants. As long as the Texans followed proper procedure, they shouldn't be concerned.
Read that last sentence again.
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More the Texans following procedures.
I'll just edit to say I don't follow what you are talking about.
My point being the Texans could easily have not followed procedures by being the Texans. They've gotten into trouble before.
The Texans hiring a coaching candidate with no coaching experience over a former (winning) HC is not a good look. At least making it look like Flores was close to getting hired would go a long way.
I think there's one person in the Texans front office that knows what's going to happen. The rest is smoke and inaccurate information from media types who make a living off garnering attention.
I think there's one person in the Texans front office that knows what's going to happen. The rest is smoke and inaccurate information from media types who make a living off garnering attention.
I could end up being wrong, but I don't think there's anything the Texans can do short of hiring Flores that will keep them out of the suit. And if they hire McCown over Flores, the lawsuit pretty much writes itself. Putting on my Plaintiff's lawyer hat, I'm guessing it will say something like this-"Nothing but racial animus and blatant discrimination explains why the Texans would choose to hire a white guy who's never coached a day in his life and has zero credentials for the job over a proven and experienced African American candidate."
Except that he's a sue happy ******** of a person who is impossible to get along with. Unfortunately, that part won't seem to matter.
Flores and the Texans have been very open in their talks. I don't think Flores would compare his previous situations to his experience with the Texans. However, with being said hiring McCown, who I don't think it will be, would just rubber stamp the overall problem.
Someone mentioned McCown as the hire and Flores as a some type advisory role. Imagine how that would look?
Still believe it's Gannon but believe Flores is a real candidate for the job as well.
Someone mentioned McCown as the hire and Flores as a some type advisory role. Imagine how that would look?
Still believe it's Gannon but believe Flores is a real candidate for the job as well.
bilbo brings up a good point, and I just realized I may be overlooking Flores' relationship with Caserio. Presumably, they have one from their time together in New England. If they have a good relationship, he may not go after the Texans, unless it's McCown. If he gets passed over for McCown, I think they get sued.
Not sure how much of it you read, but all teams were named in the lawsuit.JCA1 said:
I could end up being wrong, but I don't think there's anything the Texans can do short of hiring Flores that will keep them out of the suit. And if they hire McCown over Flores, the lawsuit pretty much writes itself. Putting on my Plaintiff's lawyer hat, I'm guessing it will say something like this-"Nothing but racial animus and blatant discrimination explains why the Texans would choose to hire a white guy who's never coached a day in his life and has zero credentials for the job over a proven and experienced African American candidate."
I hope Bilbo is right and it's Gannon. I mentioned McCown with Flores being in a Romeo Crennel role. That was pre-lawsuit though. And it was mentioned to me by someone in local sports media.
As far as McCown getting the job over Flores and the optics of it. I don't think the franchise can really worry about it. If they think McCown has what it takes and is the best candidate (not really sure how they could but I don't personally know McCown), you hire him.
As far as McCown getting the job over Flores and the optics of it. I don't think the franchise can really worry about it. If they think McCown has what it takes and is the best candidate (not really sure how they could but I don't personally know McCown), you hire him.
I admittedly haven't read the suit itself, just what is being reported. But just being named doesn't mean much without actual allegations to back it up. Quite frankly, it does not speak well of his attorney if he is suing teams Flores literally had no interaction with. I have no idea why he thinks he can sue them.rbcs_2 said:Not sure how much of it you read, but all teams were named in the lawsuit.JCA1 said:
I could end up being wrong, but I don't think there's anything the Texans can do short of hiring Flores that will keep them out of the suit. And if they hire McCown over Flores, the lawsuit pretty much writes itself. Putting on my Plaintiff's lawyer hat, I'm guessing it will say something like this-"Nothing but racial animus and blatant discrimination explains why the Texans would choose to hire a white guy who's never coached a day in his life and has zero credentials for the job over a proven and experienced African American candidate."
I've read over much of it a couple of times. It's a pretty weird lawsuit from my perspective (not a lawyer just an interested observer).
I was reading a sports lawyer's interpretation of it and he said essentially the only part that has any real teeth is the Stephen Ross tanking allegations. But without proof it's not going anywhere.
I was reading a sports lawyer's interpretation of it and he said essentially the only part that has any real teeth is the Stephen Ross tanking allegations. But without proof it's not going anywhere.
John Elway didn't take too kindly to the law suit.
Quote:
On Thursday, Broncos president of football operations John Elway said recent allegations made by former Dolphins head coach Brian Flores were "false and defamatory" and that he "interviewed Brian in good faith" for Denver's vacant head-coach opening in 2019.
"While I was not planning to respond publicly to the false and defamatory claims by Brian Flores, I could not be silent any longer with my character, integrity and professionalism being attacked," Elway said in a statement. "I took Coach Flores very seriously as a candidate for our head coaching position in 2019 and enjoyed our three-and-a-half hour interview with him. Along with the rest of our group, I was prepared, ready and fully engaged during the entire interview as Brian shared his experience and vision for our team. It's unfortunate and shocking to learn for the first time this week that Brian felt differently about our interview with him.
"For Brian to make an assumption about my appearance and state of mind early that morning was subjective, hurtful and just plain wrong. If I appeared 'disheveled,' as he claimed, it was because we had flown in during the middle of the night -- immediately following another interview in Denver -- and were going on a few hours of sleep to meet the only window provided to us.
"I interviewed Brian in good faith, giving him the same consideration and opportunity as every other candidate for our head coaching position in 2019."
I am a lawyer, so I should probably just read the dang thing at some point.rbcs_2 said:
I've read over much of it a couple of times. It's a pretty weird lawsuit from my perspective (not a lawyer just an interested observer).
I was reading a sports lawyer's interpretation of it and he said essentially the only part that has any real teeth is the Stephen Ross tanking allegations. But without proof it's not going anywhere.
The tanking stuff is intriguing. But I'm not sure how that translates into recoverable damages for Flores. I presume the Dolphins paid out the remainder of his contract. Not sure what else he can argue he's entitled to. And it definitely isn't worth throwing away your career for.
The tanking and paying to tanking is the big problem here with the Ross relationship with action network gambling company and overall NFL betting
bilbobag said:
The tanking and paying to tanking is the big problem here with the Ross relationship with action network gambling company and overall NFL betting
I agree that could potentially be bad for Ross and the Dolphins if the league starts digging into this. But none of that really has anything to do with Flores. I'm just not seeing much of a lawsuit for him. If anything, that should have been an internal report to the league.
John is so salty nowadays that Nick keeps a tight ship.
if I'm looking at the numbers correctly...
the 2019 Miami Dolphins went 9-7 vs. the spread.
they started 0-4 (vs. the spread), but then beat the spread 5 games-in-a-row.
the team's actual W-L on the field was 5-11.
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regarding the O/U...
the over hit 9 times for the 2019 Dolphins. The under hit 7 times.
you know...Vegas is really good at what they do
the 2019 Miami Dolphins went 9-7 vs. the spread.
they started 0-4 (vs. the spread), but then beat the spread 5 games-in-a-row.
the team's actual W-L on the field was 5-11.
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regarding the O/U...
the over hit 9 times for the 2019 Dolphins. The under hit 7 times.
you know...Vegas is really good at what they do
When are the Texans gonna hire a damn coach?? If its McCown just do it, your losing out on assistant coaches.
McClain is all in on McCown being the HC. His latest is McCown will be HC (possibly announced today or tomorrow) and a lot of the current coaching staff will remain including Pep and Lovie.
He didn't bet that he would eat the front page of the sports section if he's wrong, so maybe his level of comfort isn't as strong?
I reached out to my neighbor and he said he isn't sure who they are going with, but the chatter is they will announce this weekend.
He didn't bet that he would eat the front page of the sports section if he's wrong, so maybe his level of comfort isn't as strong?
I reached out to my neighbor and he said he isn't sure who they are going with, but the chatter is they will announce this weekend.
Whether because they really like them or for financial reasons, it's starting to look like the Texans front office made taking on some of the former staff a precondition for the job. If true, that would be explain why this is taking so long and why McCown may end of with the job. Hard to get the best coach if you're dictating their offensive and defensive coordinators.
Remember, Deshaun liked Tim Kelly and so we kept him.
I know we are too far down the road for this, but I was hoping they would bring in Leftwich for an interview after he backed out of the JAX job.
Maybe they bring in Munchak as a new OL coach? I'd be happier with that if McCown is going to be HC.
the Jags hire Pederson.
has there been a defensive-minded coach among any of the new hires?
edit...Eberflus with the Bears is the one so far
has there been a defensive-minded coach among any of the new hires?
edit...Eberflus with the Bears is the one so far
Leftwich is supposedly next in line for the Bucs jobs.
I wish we would at least give him an interview if he was interested .redag06 said:
Leftwich is supposedly next in line for the Bucs jobs.
People said the same thing with McDaniels and the Patriots.redag06 said:
Leftwich is supposedly next in line for the Bucs jobs.
Any bet involving McLain and eating is not a bet you can win.rbcs_2 said:
He didn't bet that he would eat the front page of the sports section if he's wrong, so maybe his level of comfort isn't as strong?
Texan_Aggie said:
Remember, Deshaun liked Tim Kelly and so we kept him.
I know. And look at the head coach it got us.
I kind of want the Texans to start trolling DeShaun by saying that they're including him in all discussions for the next coach, and how valuable he's been in those meetings, and that they would like to see him become a player-coach later in his Texans career.
rbcs_2 said:
McClain is all in on McCown being the HC. His latest is McCown will be HC (possibly announced today or tomorrow) and a lot of the current coaching staff will remain including Pep and Lovie.
He didn't bet that he would eat the front page of the sports section if he's wrong, so maybe his level of comfort isn't as strong?
I reached out to my neighbor and he said he isn't sure who they are going with, but the chatter is they will announce this weekend.
McClain is using reverse psychology on them.
So it seems like we didn't hire a coach even after the early season ticket deadline. We can rest knowing Lopez will come up with a new conspiracy next week.
I used to like 610 because they were the mouth of the Texans in a way the Texans couldn't speak. Now it is clear that the Texans are close lipped. Give me unpredictable, because if they're going to lose a ton, I'd like to not know it 6 months in advance.
I used to like 610 because they were the mouth of the Texans in a way the Texans couldn't speak. Now it is clear that the Texans are close lipped. Give me unpredictable, because if they're going to lose a ton, I'd like to not know it 6 months in advance.
Texan_Aggie said:
So it seems like we didn't hire a coach even after the early season ticket deadline. We can rest knowing Lopez will come up with a new conspiracy next week.
I used to like 610 because they were the mouth of the Texans in a way the Texans couldn't speak. Now it is clear that the Texans are close lipped. Give me unpredictable, because if they're going to lose a ton, I'd like to not know it 6 months in advance.
I like the show with Landry and Lopez, it is entertaining, but I agree with you on Lopez and his continuous conspiracy theories…it gets tiring.
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