***** Brace for Impact: The Official Houston Texans 2021 Thread *****

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So let's say it's Smith at HC, Hamilton as OC, who becomes DC? Anyone on this staff worthy of promotion or they need to look at position coaches elsewhere to find the DC?

Regarding Smith's tenure in Tampa Bay here's who his QB's were, not sure if I'm missing someone:
-Mike Glennon
-Josh McCown
-Jameis Winston

Granted he made it to the Super Bowl with Rex Grossman at QB with the Bears.
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Lovie HC

Pep OC

That isn't too bad. Keeping Pep, if true, is huge IMHO.
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Curious on why you think it's BS?
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chico said:

bigjag19 said:

I posted the below on Facebook a year ago. I don't even know what to update it with.

A brief list of Texans "accomplishments..."

Fired Brian Gaine for literally no reason
Went after Caserio without knowing his contract
Got charged with tampering
Promoted a Youth Pastor to VP
Let BOB be the GM instead of hiring someone
Traded Clowney for a bag of beans
Overpaid in a trade for Duke Johnson
Got Prison ****ed in trading for Tunsil without negotiating an extension
Gave up the best WR in the game for David Johnson and a pair of Cleats
Overpaid for Fulton
Overpaid Martin
Overpaid Cunningham
Overpaid Merciless
Overpaid for Cobb
Overpaid McKinney
Traded more to get Cooks than they got for Hopkins
Overpaid for Murray
Released a book on how great they were
Fired their PR person who is generally regarded as one of the best
Spent $600k on a GM candidates list
Began Negotiating with a Candidate and then backed out
Ignored the list and hired Jack's BFF
Didn't request an interview of Bienemy until Watson was upset
Retain their OC before hiring a Head Coach
Hire the backup QB as a coach before hiring a HC
Hire someone who was never considered by any other team as a candidate to be their HC
How about inviting disgraced ex-Baylor coach Art Briles to attend a practice? The glowing write-up on this is still on the Texans website.
Art Briles guest at Texans' practice

Bro, that article about Briles is from 2013 and there was only one documented incident at Baylor at that time and the court settlement wasn't until 2014. You're looking for reasons to be mad.
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ok - fair enough on the timing, my bad. They could still remove the write-up from their website so as not to fool people like me any more!
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Marvin said:

Just laugh at the Texans and move on. The stupid decisions list will grow until silver spoon Cal sells the team.



My thoughts exactly, the only entertainment I get out of this organization is watching the laundry lists of dumb **** they do under Hee Haw.
I've stuck with every other team no matter how bad things got. I got through the Fran years, 06 and beyond of Uncle Drayton's ownership, but I don't know if I can make it through this.
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bilbobag said:

Lovie HC

Pep OC

That isn't too bad. Keeping Pep, if true, is huge IMHO.

Will he have control of his coaching staff?
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maca1028 said:

bilbobag said:

Lovie HC

Pep OC

That isn't too bad. Keeping Pep, if true, is huge IMHO.

Will he have control of his coaching staff?
lol. good one
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Got a buddy with a 17-year-old son. His kid and his friends refer to the Texans as the Make-A-Wish Patriots. I'm pretty sure that's not a compliment. And when you've lost the local 17-year-old boy population, that is not a good sign for your football program.
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AustinCountyAg said:

maca1028 said:

bilbobag said:

Lovie HC

Pep OC

That isn't too bad. Keeping Pep, if true, is huge IMHO.

Will he have control of his coaching staff?
lol. good one
Houston Texans' new motto - "That isn't too bad."

Actually, that might be the one Texans T-shirt I would buy.
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bilbobag said:

Curious on why you think it's BS?
As I stated later in the thread, the news just aligned too much with the Houston Chronicle's late night report on the situation. Nothing against the info you dropped, but I have a distrust of the local media and it was too close to that.
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JCA1 said:

Bobby Jimbo said:

I just don't understand why the Texans apparently told Gannon that he's not their guy. He's a young coach, has coordinator experience, and apparently nailed his interview. It would only make sense to let Gannon know that he did not get the position if the Texans truly knew who their guy was. With this new Lovie Smith information, it sounds like they still don't know, unless Lovie was their guy all along? This whole thing does not make sense.
I think they were down to Flores and McCown. Flores' lawsuit blew up both of them. They now don't want to hire Flores because he would likely pull back the curtain on this Mickey Mouse outfit when he's inevitably fired. They can't hire McCown because that would likely make them the target of Flores' lawsuit and would result in every talking head on ESPN, etc. going on about the Texans hiring a guy who's literally never coached before over qualified minority candidates.

Because of all these potential PR issues, they probably dumped Gannon because they decided they had to go with a minority candidate now. So Lovie it is.

I think they had their sights set on Flores, but doesn't look like he felt the same way. Now he's basically unhireable.

With McCown, people speculated we'd hire him last year or give him an assistant job. Neither happened. Maybe we were more interested this year and the Flores lawsuit derailed it, but I still have a very hard time believing it. Why wouldn't we have at least added him to the staff last year if that was the case? Especially with high potential candidates, people set career plans and make sure they get the training they need to be successful.

It makes for a fun media storyline, but honestly seems more like us doing McCown a solid than anything. There's absolutely nothing logical about it, and Caserio has seemed very deliberate in everything he's done thus far. He seems like the planning type, and if he wanted McCown, he would have had a plan to get him ready.
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I'm not too upset with Lovie. At the end of the day, the players seem to like him and until this team can draft some talent, it doesn't matter who's running the show.

Caserio's seat better be blazing hot though. I would go all in on Malik Willis at this point.
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one good comment on 610 this morning...

Caserio's first 2 hires as GM: Culley and Lovie.

woof, not exactly bringing in the next Sean McVay
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Ryan34 said:

JCA1 said:

Bobby Jimbo said:

I just don't understand why the Texans apparently told Gannon that he's not their guy. He's a young coach, has coordinator experience, and apparently nailed his interview. It would only make sense to let Gannon know that he did not get the position if the Texans truly knew who their guy was. With this new Lovie Smith information, it sounds like they still don't know, unless Lovie was their guy all along? This whole thing does not make sense.
I think they were down to Flores and McCown. Flores' lawsuit blew up both of them. They now don't want to hire Flores because he would likely pull back the curtain on this Mickey Mouse outfit when he's inevitably fired. They can't hire McCown because that would likely make them the target of Flores' lawsuit and would result in every talking head on ESPN, etc. going on about the Texans hiring a guy who's literally never coached before over qualified minority candidates.

Because of all these potential PR issues, they probably dumped Gannon because they decided they had to go with a minority candidate now. So Lovie it is.

I think they had their sights set on Flores, but doesn't look like he felt the same way. Now he's basically unhireable.

With McCown, people speculated we'd hire him last year or give him an assistant job. Neither happened. Maybe we were more interested this year and the Flores lawsuit derailed it, but I still have a very hard time believing it. Why wouldn't we have at least added him to the staff last year if that was the case? Especially with high potential candidates, people set career plans and make sure they get the training they need to be successful.

It makes for a fun media storyline, but honestly seems more like us doing McCown a solid than anything. There's absolutely nothing logical about it, and Caserio has seemed very deliberate in everything he's done thus far. He seems like the planning type, and if he wanted McCown, he would have had a plan to get him ready.
Flores may have been the guy until he torpedoed himself. Who knows?

As for McCown, I think they were truly interested, although I agree with you that him being a legitimate candidate is ridiculous. I mean, Culley was a somewhat ridiculous candidate (a late 60s coach who, in 30 (40?) years of coaching had never been promoted above position coach) and he got the damn job.

No one else is considering McCown for head coach, so I don't see how interviewing him is doing him a solid. And every other team in the league will have expected him to pay his dues in the normal fashion. QB coach or something similar for a couple years, maybe OC then for a year or two on a good offense and then being considered for HC. Since he's done none of that, I don't see any other team considering him.
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Texans hoping someone gives McCown a chance to do something important somewhere for a year or two so the appetite to hire him as HC is more palatable down the road? The east Tx boy obviously interviews very well and clearly has connections and system experiences from his many stops across the league.
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Clearly Cas & Cal are intrigued by success of other young HCs like Zac Taylor, McVay, Kliff, LeFleur, Kyle Shanahan, etc.

Follow the leaders by throwing a dart blind folded?
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I'll just go ahead and say it again....they should have kept Culley. Instead of ushering in this three ring circus, they could have been quietly planning for next years tank while improving their image.



At some point the Texans will learn that their organizational image matters to potential hires and free agents. If they keep making knee jerk/desperate decisions, nobody will ever take them seriously. A level headed qualified candidate will not even consider working for the Texans.

At this point, the Texans are like an old nasty stripper looking for a man to ensnare. Anyone who is smart, isn't interested....anyone who is interested, isn't smart.
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I used to go back and forth on Culley myself, but settled on he needed to go because essentially everyone had lost faith that he could do the job. It was a failed experiment.

But these coaching searches under Casserio have been pretty bad. Hopefully he hits again in the draft.
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rbcs_2 said:

I used to go back and forth on Culley myself, but settled on he needed to go because essentially everyone had lost faith that he could do the job. It was a failed experiment.

But these coaching searches under Casserio have been pretty bad. Hopefully he hits again in the draft.
didnt really watch any of the games this year, but who did he hit(s) on in the draft last year. I know Mills was okay at times, but who am I missing?
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The early returns on Caserio are middling at best. Other than (maybe) Mills, he hasn't done anything to set this team up for long term success. I don't need to go over the coaching hires again. As for players, all he has done is shed terrible deals that literally any GM would have ditched and brought in a bunch of 1 year contracts who no one expects to play a meaningful role in the team's longterm plans.

The best thing you can say in his favor to date is that the rebuild is going to take several years and treating last year like a stopgap year was the best approach. And I may even agree with that to some degree. But at some point, he needs to actually do something that will pay actual dividends for the team in the future. After a year on the job, there's really nothing to point to.
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AustinCountyAg said:

rbcs_2 said:

I used to go back and forth on Culley myself, but settled on he needed to go because essentially everyone had lost faith that he could do the job. It was a failed experiment.

But these coaching searches under Casserio have been pretty bad. Hopefully he hits again in the draft.
didnt really watch any of the games this year, but who did he hit(s) on in the draft last year. I know Mills was okay at times, but who am I missing?
The TE whose name I can't remember. Jordan I think? The Michigan WR also has some ability but has to be able to put it all together. I think Mills was better than okay at times. He had some stinkers. But he also had some really good games. The only other rookie QB that performed better is Mac Jones. Lopez looked good at times too, although the DL was bad so saying he was better than bad isn't saying much.
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At least Bud Adams was an evil genius

Cal is like having Cletus the Slack-Jawed Yokel owning your football team.
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Caserio is hard to grade right now.

It's hard to grade his drafting because his only draft was one that was FUBARed by BoB and he had no picks.

His FA signings are tough to judge because of the cap situation when he got in.

His coaching hires are tough to judge because I don't think Culley was a legit hire.

With that said this head coach search has been a circus that I'd expect from this organization.
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And again...It's not so much that Lovie is the choice but it's how they got there.
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JCA1 said:

The early returns on Caserio are middling at best. Other than (maybe) Mills, he hasn't done anything to set this team up for long term success. I don't need to go over the coaching hires again. As for players, all he has done is shed terrible deals that literally any GM would have ditched and brought in a bunch of 1 year contracts who no one expects to play a meaningful role in the team's longterm plans.

The best thing you can say in his favor to date is that the rebuild is going to take several years and treating last year like a stopgap year was the best approach. And I may even agree with that to some degree. But at some point, he needs to actually do something that will pay actual dividends for the team in the future. After a year on the job, there's really nothing to point to.
When you go into the draft with no first or second round pick, what are you expecting? But Mills was better than just okay for a third round rookie QB. Add in Collins, who was a great third round pick, and that's a good start. The icing on the cake was someone like Lopez in the 6th round who is a fantastic run stopper and one of the higher-graded rookie DTs. The TE Jordan is a JAG, but that's how you build a team - finding contributors in the middle to late rounds.

The draft that I would have rated like a D-/F when it was done now looks much closer to a B+ when you look at the fact that we had no picks in the top 60. Drafts like that will have this team being a solid team in only a few years of returns.

What did you expect him to do in year 1 besides dumping contracts? Sign a bunch of expensive free agents? With no draft picks, it was literally a stop-gap year. And clearly not every GM would do it, because BOB wouldn't have... One year does not a great GM make, but there's also no reason to say "middling at best" about his approach to personnel. Say what you want to about coaching situation, but his first draft seems light years ahead of BOB or Rick Smith.

As for the Culley hire, I think they literally wanted the equivalent to Bo Porter to lose for a few years but to play hard and he turned out to be even worse than they imagined at every aspect of head coaching and leadership. Abject failure. I think they had their eyes on Flores and he became available sooner than they thought. But Flores wanted the Giants job a lot more. Then he went off like a loose cannon and sued the entire league over some pretty (on the surface) bull**** claims. Blame him for the first, but not sure you blame him for the second one yet. Hard to judge overall.
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Ag_07 said:

And again...It's not so much that Lovie is the choice but it's how they got there.

Agreed. This feels like another 1 and done, but doubt Caserio can do that to the second consecutive coach. So we're really talking year 4 before Caserio has "his guy." That's a long time to try to weather the storm as the GM.

Firing Culley was fine. Missing on "his guy" after doing so is a really bad look. Although who could have predicted that Flores would sue the NFL for discrimination.
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Buck Compton said:

JCA1 said:

The early returns on Caserio are middling at best. Other than (maybe) Mills, he hasn't done anything to set this team up for long term success. I don't need to go over the coaching hires again. As for players, all he has done is shed terrible deals that literally any GM would have ditched and brought in a bunch of 1 year contracts who no one expects to play a meaningful role in the team's longterm plans.

The best thing you can say in his favor to date is that the rebuild is going to take several years and treating last year like a stopgap year was the best approach. And I may even agree with that to some degree. But at some point, he needs to actually do something that will pay actual dividends for the team in the future. After a year on the job, there's really nothing to point to.
When you go into the draft with no first or second round pick, what are you expecting? But Mills was better than just okay for a third round rookie QB. Add in Collins, who was a great third round pick, and that's a good start. The icing on the cake was someone like Lopez in the 6th round who is a fantastic run stopper and one of the higher-graded rookie DTs. The TE Jordan is a JAG, but that's how you build a team - finding contributors in the middle to late rounds.

The draft that I would have rated like a D-/F when it was done now looks much closer to a B+ when you look at the fact that we had no picks in the top 60. Drafts like that will have this team being a solid team in only a few years of returns.

What did you expect him to do in year 1 besides dumping contracts? Sign a bunch of expensive free agents? With no draft picks, it was literally a stop-gap year. And clearly not every GM would do it, because BOB wouldn't have... One year does not a great GM make, but there's also no reason to say "middling at best" about his approach to personnel. Say what you want to about coaching situation, but his first draft seems light years ahead of BOB or Rick Smith.

As for the Culley hire, I think they literally wanted the equivalent to Bo Porter to lose for a few years but to play hard and he turned out to be even worse than they imagined at every aspect of head coaching and leadership. Abject failure. I think they had their eyes on Flores and he became available sooner than they thought. But Flores wanted the Giants job a lot more. Then he went off like a loose cannon and sued the entire league over some pretty (on the surface) bull**** claims. Blame him for the first, but not sure you blame him for the second one yet. Hard to judge overall.
First, I acknowledged much of that by admitting last year may have been just a stopgap year and he did the best he could under the circumstances. But if the best you can say about someone is they didn't screw up, that's not the highest of praise.

I previously indicated that I didn't like the Mills pick but I may be proven wrong on that. I hope I am. But I still think the better odds are we use a high draft pick on a QB either this year or next and the Mills experiment is over. It was a boom/bust pick because QB is the one position where you're either the starter or never see the field. Considering the extremely low odds of finding a starting QB in the 3rd round, I would have preferred someone you are confident will, at worst, be a rotation guy at whatever position he plays. Collins looked OK and there's some potential upside there. But I think he had around 400 yards receiving for the year on a team playing from behind all the time. I can't get too jazzed up just yet. But maybe he'll prove to be a great pick.

As for free agents, of course big dollar free agents make no sense right now. But I would like them to scout some affordable guys that they see upside with and have the courage of their convictions to sign them to more than 1 year.

Regardless of the reasons, there's just nothing good to be said about any of the coaching searches under Caserio.

Maybe I'm a little hard on him and "incomplete" would be a better grade. But right now, IMO, it's more hope than a plan. No big deal if you're more optimistic.
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Meh. Safe. Boring. Predictable.

Shocker.
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The truth will come out soon enough and why Cal wouldn't sign off.
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Pep named OC..

Mayo DC?
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This is an 8-9 hire, at best.
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Such a Texans thing to do.

This franchise is the new lions or bengals.
I know a lot about a little, and a little about a lot.
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Is Cal trying to get the team moved? I know the NFL wants an international team. Is this the soon to be London Texans or Mexico City Tejanos? That's the only thing that would make sense of all this.
 
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