I was hoping for a couple of 1sts and a couple of decent players. I don't believe they will get the combo of 6 1st and impact players that they floated out there.shano0603 said:
I mean. What is everyone expecting to get? A couple of first rounders?
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Bilbo - with everything leaking now, what is your informed guess on when we might hear an official announcement?
Denver rumored for Tua.
— Benjamin Allbright (@AllbrightNFL) October 20, 2021
In regards to the #Texans closing in on a deal that would send Deshaun Watson to the Miami #Dolphins, I am hearing that it could be a three team deal that would send Tua Tagovailoa to the Washington Football Team.
— Coty M. Davis (@CotyDavis_24) October 20, 2021
Haha - bidding war for Tua!
Been said numerous times but why trade him tona team he could make better and your draft pick you are getting worse? But its the texans so they will do what makes no sense
Deshaun is going to start for the Dolphins Sunday and lead them to the playoffs.Ags #1 said:
Been said numerous times but why trade him tona team he could make better and your draft pick you are getting worse? But its the texans so they will do what makes no sense
Well, this is meaningless so nevermind.
The Dolphins don't own their own pick. It was traded to Philly to move back up after trading down with SF.Ags #1 said:
Been said numerous times but why trade him tona team he could make better and your draft pick you are getting worse? But its the texans so they will do what makes no sense
They own the SF pick this year....so trading him to Miami has no impact on the 1st they do have.
Ags #1 said:
Been said numerous times but why trade him tona team he could make better and your draft pick you are getting worse? But its the texans so they will do what makes no sense
Obviously Deshaun is going to make the other team better. Otherwise they wouldn't trade for him.
I still think it's crazy that Deshaun is going to be able to force himself out on a brand new contract without actually sitting out a single game.
The Texans better be getting a good deal. Deshaun has zero leverage right now.
The Texans better be getting a good deal. Deshaun has zero leverage right now.
Honestly I think this is great. Optimistically I'd like quite a few first rounders. Realistically I'm expecting a max of 2. I think anything for him now would be a win than just sitting around with him lingering around the organization.
What is he doing to hurt the team this year? The goal is to lose anyway.SpicyAg said:
Honestly I think this is great. Optimistically I'd like quite a few first rounders. Realistically I'm expecting a max of 2. I think anything for him now would be a win than just sitting around with him lingering around the organization.
You can't give up a guy who would be one of the first 5 guys chosen to start a franchise for 2 firsts.
Oh didnt know that. So we want sf to lose out then?
I don't think he's hurting the team directly. I think indirectly the team is getting a bad look for the legal stuff surrounding him. Obviously I don't know how all of that will end up, but he is ready to get out of Houston regardless because of how the front office has screwed him over the years (Yes I know some of it was BoB.)
I don't see the issue with moving him for more draft capital. I said realistically 2 first rounders because our front office keeps showing that they are incompetent.
I don't see the issue with moving him for more draft capital. I said realistically 2 first rounders because our front office keeps showing that they are incompetent.
So his suspension or placement on the Commissioner's exempt list will be coming as soon as he is traded.
redag06 said:
So his suspension or placement on the Commissioner's exempt list will be coming as soon as he is traded.
Hopefully
I guess it's just me but I like tua more than any of the QBs in the upcoming draft
mAgnoliAg said:
I guess it's just me but I like tua more than any of the QBs in the upcoming draft
Maybe, but that might say more about the draft class than Tua.
What did they do besides not let him participate in the hiring of the coach and GM? The franchise is bad, I agree, but it was that way before he signed the extension a year ago.Quote:
but he is ready to get out of Houston regardless because of how the front office has screwed him over the years (Yes I know some of it was BoB.)
Gruden got a bunch of picks for Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper...but he didn't draft any star players with them. The jury is still out on Caserio, but New England doesn't exactly have an excellent recent history in the draft.
I'm not sure it is really reflecting bad on the organization. Hell, it's barely even reflecting bad on Watson. It's rarely mentioned in the national media from my POV.SpicyAg said:
I don't think he's hurting the team directly. I think indirectly the team is getting a bad look for the legal stuff surrounding him. Obviously I don't know how all of that will end up, but he is ready to get out of Houston regardless because of how the front office has screwed him over the years (Yes I know some of it was BoB.)
I don't see the issue with moving him for more draft capital. I said realistically 2 first rounders because our front office keeps showing that they are incompetent.
I just think when you get a guy like Deshaun in this league you have to do everything in your power to keep him. I know it seems like there is no chance he'd ever play in Houston again, but as I said before, he has literally not sat out a single game.
Deshaun doesn't have the kind of leverage that an Aaron Rodgers would have because Deshaun has made "only" $51 mill to this point in his career before taxes. Between lawyer fees and what I'll assume are at least slightly reckless spending habits, he might not really be in a spot to just turn down $35 million because the old regime didn't give him what he wanted. And that's not even considering how this stuff is going to affect his earning power from an endorsement standpoint regardless of how it ends.
Deshaun Watson is the exact player you're trying to acquire with this draft capital you're getting in return for him.
Let the legal issues play out, let Watson observe how the organization is run over the next 6 months before the draft and make a trade then if he still wants nothing to do with the Texans.
I agree that it makes sense to wait until the upcoming draft to trade him, but you can't force the guy to reconsider his request. He has repeatedly told the team he wants out...its pie-in-the-sky to think he's going to change his mind.Quote:
Let the legal issues play out, let Watson observe how the organization is run over the next 6 months before the draft and make a trade then if he still wants nothing to do with the Texans.
Completely fair. But, I'd rather the pie-in-the sky thinking than give up a top 5-8 QB in the league for the next 12-15 years for 2 firsts.lunchbox said:I agree that it makes sense to wait until the upcoming draft to trade him, but you can't force the guy to reconsider his request. He has repeatedly told the team he wants out...its pie-in-the-sky to think he's going to change his mind.Quote:
Let the legal issues play out, let Watson observe how the organization is run over the next 6 months before the draft and make a trade then if he still wants nothing to do with the Texans.
Top QB for the next 12-15 years?!? Is he Tom ****ing Brady?GCP12 said:Completely fair. But, I'd rather the pie-in-the sky thinking than give up a top 5-8 QB in the league for the next 12-15 years for 2 firsts.lunchbox said:I agree that it makes sense to wait until the upcoming draft to trade him, but you can't force the guy to reconsider his request. He has repeatedly told the team he wants out...its pie-in-the-sky to think he's going to change his mind.Quote:
Let the legal issues play out, let Watson observe how the organization is run over the next 6 months before the draft and make a trade then if he still wants nothing to do with the Texans.
He's already 26 years old. He's not going to be a top QB until he's 38-41…. Part of his value lies in his mobility and that's not going to stay around. Not to mention there are very few QBs who make it to that age and stay effective.
We need to stop the hyperbole.
Yeah, you're right. Got a little ahead of my skis there. My bad. I think he'll be a QB that gives you a chance to win a super bowl for the next 10 years.
Buck Compton said:Top QB for the next 12-15 years?!? Is he Tom ****ing Brady?GCP12 said:Completely fair. But, I'd rather the pie-in-the sky thinking than give up a top 5-8 QB in the league for the next 12-15 years for 2 firsts.lunchbox said:I agree that it makes sense to wait until the upcoming draft to trade him, but you can't force the guy to reconsider his request. He has repeatedly told the team he wants out...its pie-in-the-sky to think he's going to change his mind.Quote:
Let the legal issues play out, let Watson observe how the organization is run over the next 6 months before the draft and make a trade then if he still wants nothing to do with the Texans.
He's already 26 years old. He's not going to be a top QB until he's 38-41…. Part of his value lies in his mobility and that's not going to stay around. Not to mention there are very few QBs who make it to that age and stay effective.
We need to stop the hyperbole.
And let's not forget the legal cases hanging over his head. Best case scenario he settles out of court & HPD decides not to prosecute, then he still faces unknown disciplinary from the league.
Worst case scenario he is tied up in civil court for another year and he gets indicted for breaking the law which could mean jail time snd even more severe punishment from the league. However unlikely this may seem, it's still a possibility. There is no guarantee any of his legal entanglements are resolved by the time the draft happens next year. And the whole time he is costing you a ton of money and providing you new upside. At some point discretion becomes the better part of valor and you get what you can and move on.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill
I'll believe the trade when I see it. Berman is usually in the know, but we've seen this story weekly since March.
trading Watson inside the AFC is a really bad idea.
have to try harder to get the Giants, Falcons, Panthers, Eagles, etc.., involved
have to try harder to get the Giants, Falcons, Panthers, Eagles, etc.., involved
Noble07 said:
Gruden got a bunch of picks for Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper...but he didn't draft any star players with them. The jury is still out on Caserio, but New England doesn't exactly have an excellent recent history in the draft.
Accumulating a bunch of early round picks hasn't been as successful in the NFL as baseball or basketball. Careers and team control/contracts are shorter in football, and being good in the NFL is much more heavily dependent on a single position (QB).
Don't get me wrong, the Texans should try to get as many chances at a QB as they can, and they need a whole lot more than a QB too. But QB aside, I think continually stacking mid round picks is the better approach so you always have young guys to backfill the aging vets.
Supposedly the Watson deal will be done by first part of next week. Hope is Monday, Tuesday the latest..
We shall see..
We shall see..
At this point, if you got anything for him, you are ahead. It wasn't like he was ever going to play again in a Texan's uniform.
The interesting part is Miami off loading Tua in order to get the picks they need to make Houston happy.
What I don't understand is why Deshaun wants to be in Miami. That's been an abysmal franchise since 2001 and they're going to "rebuild" after trading for Deshaun? Seems like a lateral move, but I guess a more fun city than Houston.
Motivations have to be outside of football, which doesn't surprise me given how this saga has played out.
Motivations have to be outside of football, which doesn't surprise me given how this saga has played out.
Sun, surf, and a new masseuse every block? Kind of kidding, but not really.Texan_Aggie said:
What I don't understand is why Deshaun wants to be in Miami. That's been an abysmal franchise since 2001 and they're going to "rebuild" after trading for Deshaun? Seems like a lateral move, but I guess a more fun city than Houston.
Motivations have to be outside of football, which doesn't surprise me given how this saga has played out.
How can Green Bay get Aaron Rodgers to come back and play, but Deshaun quits because Houston hired Caserio?
He signed an extension with BoB AFTER he traded Hopkins for nothing. I totally support hating this franchise, but the dude could've waited for the franchise tag and then hit free agency after he got past all of that.
He signed an extension with BoB AFTER he traded Hopkins for nothing. I totally support hating this franchise, but the dude could've waited for the franchise tag and then hit free agency after he got past all of that.
Texan_Aggie said:
What I don't understand is why Deshaun wants to be in Miami. That's been an abysmal franchise since 2001 and they're going to "rebuild" after trading for Deshaun? Seems like a lateral move, but I guess a more fun city than Houston.
Motivations have to be outside of football, which doesn't surprise me given how this saga has played out.
The masseuses there also probably have their own profiles on pronhub so it will at least alleviate some of his issues.
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