So its like a sip recruit going from a 3 star to a 5 star in the off-season because they got an offer from t.u.?
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Mailk Willis has been talked about as a potential 1st round pick since last year's draft was over.
dcaggie04 said:
Mailk Willis has been talked about as a potential 1st round pick since last year's draft was over.
dcaggie04 said:
Mailk Willis has been talked about as a potential 1st round pick since last year's draft was over.
So were a bunch of other prospects. Willis is the only one with enough of a hype train forming behind him for a legit trade down opportunity for the Texans.
I think Nick learned the trade down approach so well at New England I'm expecting several trade downs in this draft. The ultimate goal is to secure more picks next year so we can trade up for a QB if necessary. But also build this team with draft picks over the next 2-3 years.
If we can draft 8-10 of the top 100-110 players for 3 straight years we should have a very solid young roster. It's not unlike what the Astros did and hopefully it works that well. 5 straight AL championship games is like 5 straight AFC title games. Pick 3 starts it all and Malik Willis is just the guy to draw 2 high picks for a Move up.
If we can draft 8-10 of the top 100-110 players for 3 straight years we should have a very solid young roster. It's not unlike what the Astros did and hopefully it works that well. 5 straight AL championship games is like 5 straight AFC title games. Pick 3 starts it all and Malik Willis is just the guy to draw 2 high picks for a Move up.
So I don't know how well he's going to turn out but those throws are at least going to get teams really thinking about him as a possible QB1. It would be nice if one of them wants to consider moving up to 3. The issue is everyone knows the Jets will not be drafting a QB in the first, and they draft at 4. I doubt the Jets would have any reservations about trading down. I would think anyone trading up is more likely to target the 4th pick rather than the 3rd. The only way that maybe turns is if Caserio shows interest, otherwise they already know we are going to give Mills a shot for a full season. The Jags aren't taking a QB and I doubt Detroit does either since Goff has 3 years left on his contract.
Malik Willis is (+400) to be the No. 2 pick in the NFL Draft
— PFF Bet (@PFF_Bet) March 23, 2022
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The problem Nick will face with all of these picks and possibly more if you trade down, is in 4 years when HOPEFULLY you drafted guys good enough to offer a second contract to.
Obviously the cap will be higher by the time that comes, but still something that could be an issue especially since this team isn't making a Super Bowl run with Davis Mills.
Obviously the cap will be higher by the time that comes, but still something that could be an issue especially since this team isn't making a Super Bowl run with Davis Mills.
It is still early on in the process and I do think the QB hype train will get going, as it does every year. Everybody needs the QB class to be appetizing from the networks, league, agents, etc. Boring draft that no one cares about if you're just talking about which OL or DL to take.
The trade down, best case, is the 3rd pick because you'd get the biggest return. I think more realistic is the 13 pick.
The trade down, best case, is the 3rd pick because you'd get the biggest return. I think more realistic is the 13 pick.
Max Power said:
So I don't know how well he's going to turn out but those throws are at least going to get teams really thinking about him as a possible QB1. It would be nice if one of them wants to consider moving up to 3. The issue is everyone knows the Jets will not be drafting a QB in the first, and they draft at 4. I doubt the Jets would have any reservations about trading down. I would think anyone trading up is more likely to target the 4th pick rather than the 3rd. The only way that maybe turns is if Caserio shows interest, otherwise they already know we are going to give Mills a shot for a full season. The Jags aren't taking a QB and I doubt Detroit does either since Goff has 3 years left on his contract.
I'm more concerned that Detroit will trade the #2 than New York. I think the Jets and Giants will stay where they are. Giants could trade back from #7 though.
Chiefs trading Tyreek Hill to Dolphins for five draft picks. (via @RapSheet + @TomPelissero) pic.twitter.com/hkvkEfRggs
— NFL (@NFL) March 23, 2022
Just another reminder how the Texans got effed when they traded Hopkins.
Are you trying to say David Johnson is not equal to a 1, two 4's and a 6?
What the **** is going on? This offseason is crazyk20dub said:Chiefs trading Tyreek Hill to Dolphins for five draft picks. (via @RapSheet + @TomPelissero) pic.twitter.com/hkvkEfRggs
— NFL (@NFL) March 23, 2022
Just another reminder how the Texans got effed when they traded Hopkins.
Also, damn, this hurts Kansas City a lot, most of the big plays were from Hill either catching the ball or drawing a ton of coverage off of Kelce and their other random WRs.
Also, the Dolphins are gonna know quickly if Tua is a good QB or not. They just got Armstead to anchor the line and you're adding Hill to Waddle? And then you have Chase Edmonds and, if he can stay healthy, Rahim Mostert at RB.
To make this even more Texans-related, KC now has the #29 and 30 picks.
Would Houston take both those picks so KC can move up to #13 and take one of the top WRs?
The draft pick value chart has Houston winning that deal by about 100 pts...
Houston would have another couple of guys who would be eligible for a 5th year option...
I think I would do it (and stay at #3).
Would Houston take both those picks so KC can move up to #13 and take one of the top WRs?
The draft pick value chart has Houston winning that deal by about 100 pts...
Houston would have another couple of guys who would be eligible for a 5th year option...
I think I would do it (and stay at #3).
I would take that!lunchbox said:
To make this even more Texans-related, KC now has the #29 and 30 picks.
Would Houston take both those picks so KC can move up to #13 and take one of the top WRs?
The draft pick value chart has Houston winning that deal by about 100 pts...
Houston would have another couple of guys who would be eligible for a 5th year option...
I think I would do it (and stay at #3).
good move by the Dolphins. Need to find out if Tua can play QB at a high level...while he's still on his rookie contract
It's a double win for the Dolphins, whether Tua can throw the deep ball or not, this will open up the field a lot....and then it weakens a top AFC team's best asset (no matter who they get, this hurts the Chiefs passing game).W said:
good move by the Dolphins. Need to find out if Tua can play QB at a high level...while he's still on his rookie contract
I just ran it through the PFF mock draft sim and KC approved the deal (#13 for #29 and 30....71% likely to succeed and it graded as a B+). Maybe I should have also asked for a 4th or something...
I took Ekwonu at 3 and then the best CB and S available at 29/30...
I took Ekwonu at 3 and then the best CB and S available at 29/30...
I would still probably try to trade down from 3 unless someone they love falls into their lap. But, I think we need as many talented people as possible over 1 big name at this point.lunchbox said:
I just ran it through the PFF mock draft sim and KC approved the deal (#13 for #29 and 30....71% likely to succeed and it graded as a B+). Maybe I should have also asked for a 4th or something...
I took Ekwonu at 3 and then the best CB and S available at 29/30...
My god Miami payed a lot
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
MAGA
MAGA
i can see philly giving up one of their mid 1sts to kc for those 2 picks.
Bill O’Brien seeing the chiefs get a great haul back for their star wide receiver that they were having contract disputes with pic.twitter.com/bULY8o0eFC
— LebronJamesHarden™️ (@LBJamesHarden) March 23, 2022
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The #Texans agreed to terms with former #Browns fullback Andy Janovich on a one-year deal, per source.
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) March 23, 2022
Good news, we're planning on running the ball. Bad news, we don't know who that's going to be. I don't see anyone worth making a run at in free agency. I would prefer we go RB at pick 37, but at 37 there's going to be some guys that drop out of the first that everyone thought would be gone. Ideally we can trade back and pick up another 2nd.. . . said:The #Texans agreed to terms with former #Browns fullback Andy Janovich on a one-year deal, per source.
— Tom Pelissero (@TomPelissero) March 23, 2022
Draft prospects:
Spiller
Breece Hall, ISU
Kenneth Walker, Michigan State
Zamir White, Georgia
Brian Robinson Jr, Alabama
All you guys expecting all these trade downs are gonna be seriously disappointed.
There is really never a good chance for a blockbuster trade down scenario, this year it really depends on the QB market and what Detroit does at #2. Also, the draft never goes the way fans think it willAg_07 said:
All you guys expecting all these trade downs are gonna be seriously disappointed.
But, with all that said, it's fun to talk about the draft for the first time in a couple of years, so I'm gonna go to town on the simulators lol
Speaking of having fun, I tried out profootballnetworks simulator which has a completely different set of player rankings and the way teams pick. But I would be pretty damn happy with this haul.
Yeah it'll be fun to actually watch the draft.
And I know they're there and they very well happen but they're just so hard to predict it's difficult for me to take seriously any mock that predicts a trade down scenario.
And I know they're there and they very well happen but they're just so hard to predict it's difficult for me to take seriously any mock that predicts a trade down scenario.
So true, but this year I don't think any mock draft will be close to the draft. With how crazy free agency has been, I expect the draft to be wild too. So many unknowns, no consensus top player, no consensus top QB, hell I haven't even really seen a consensus top 3 players at this point.Ag_07 said:
Yeah it'll be fun to actually watch the draft.
And I know they're there and they very well happen but they're just so hard to predict it's difficult for me to take seriously any mock that predicts a trade down scenario.
There are some interesting later round guys as well. Rachaad White would be great in a Hames White type role and I'm high on Allgeier as a between the tackle runner. As bad as our RB room is I hope we take two RB in the mid to later rounds.
Even with the closure that trading Watson brings, I just get upset when thinking about the personnel moves made during the O'Brien tenure. We was a good coach, this team went against the Patriots in the playoffs with Brock Osweiller and had a chance to win, that game is clear in my mind because I was in Vegas. I was able to see Dallas lose to GB in the final seconds in the sports book at the Cosmo...which was a lot of fun.
When you stack it all up it's really insane where this team is today. We finally had a top shelf QB, and look at where that's brought us. To say O'Brien's conduct was beyond the pale is putting it mildly. I don't see how any team in the NFL could even interview the guy in the future, he railroaded the entire franchise. Not to mention having a top 3 WR in the NFL and we don't even get a 1st round pick?
I hope Lovie succeeds, and Mills. The AFC has become a monster when it comes to QB's, I hope we put the pieces in place to support Mills, but almost more importantly I hope we invest defensively to combat these QB's.
Money be damned, one day I hope Watson wakes up and tell the Browns he doesn't want to be there, he'll wish he went home to Atlanta and a weak NFC.
When you stack it all up it's really insane where this team is today. We finally had a top shelf QB, and look at where that's brought us. To say O'Brien's conduct was beyond the pale is putting it mildly. I don't see how any team in the NFL could even interview the guy in the future, he railroaded the entire franchise. Not to mention having a top 3 WR in the NFL and we don't even get a 1st round pick?
I hope Lovie succeeds, and Mills. The AFC has become a monster when it comes to QB's, I hope we put the pieces in place to support Mills, but almost more importantly I hope we invest defensively to combat these QB's.
Money be damned, one day I hope Watson wakes up and tell the Browns he doesn't want to be there, he'll wish he went home to Atlanta and a weak NFC.
I do wonder what would have happened if we got Caserio back in the summer of 2019 and BoB had just stayed as a coach. Or even what would have happened if Watson hadn't tore his ACL in 2017? It's hard to go back and look at that 2018 team and how much talent was on it, hell even the 2019 team was pretty good, and where the team is now.Max Power said:
Even with the closure that trading Watson brings, I just get upset when thinking about the personnel moves made during the O'Brien tenure. We was a good coach, this team went against the Patriots in the playoffs with Brock Osweiller and had a chance to win, that game is clear in my mind because I was in Vegas. I was able to see Dallas lose to GB in the final seconds in the sports book at the Cosmo...which was a lot of fun.
When you stack it all up it's really insane where this team is today. We finally had a top shelf QB, and look at where that's brought us. To say O'Brien's conduct was beyond the pale is putting it mildly. I don't see how any team in the NFL could even interview the guy in the future, he railroaded the entire franchise. Not to mention having a top 3 WR in the NFL and we don't even get a 1st round pick?
I hope Lovie succeeds, and Mills. The AFC has become a monster when it comes to QB's, I hope we put the pieces in place to support Mills, but almost more importantly I hope we invest defensively to combat these QB's.
Money be damned, one day I hope Watson wakes up and tell the Browns he doesn't want to be there, he'll wish he went home to Atlanta and a weak NFC.
BoB was a coach who had a ceiling of Divisional round.
BoB was a pretty good coach but I think what happened to him here and how he reacted seems to be evident now. I believe, and this is full speculation, that some time after he took the GM role, he got sideways with the Texans brass. No idea how but something pissed him off and he took it out on the franchise.
Had to be something bad. I would suspect he thought he could get himself fired mid-season and get paid out for being the worst GM ever and making the franchise look like a bunch of idiots.
Your point about teams interviewing him for coaching vacancies feels right but we've all seen how coveted NFL HC experience is to organizations.
I am looking forward to the rebuild. I like that Mills is going to get a fair shot and the ability to make mistakes on a team that needs to finish near the bottom again. I like Lovie to help build a culture with younger guys coming in.
Had to be something bad. I would suspect he thought he could get himself fired mid-season and get paid out for being the worst GM ever and making the franchise look like a bunch of idiots.
Your point about teams interviewing him for coaching vacancies feels right but we've all seen how coveted NFL HC experience is to organizations.
I am looking forward to the rebuild. I like that Mills is going to get a fair shot and the ability to make mistakes on a team that needs to finish near the bottom again. I like Lovie to help build a culture with younger guys coming in.
Bro, we gotta move on. This team and front office are completely different. I get it stings, but there are lots of reasons to be optimistic with the teams youth, draft capital, and a GM who seems to be pretty successful so far.Max Power said:
Even with the closure that trading Watson brings, I just get upset when thinking about the personnel moves made during the O'Brien tenure. We was a good coach, this team went against the Patriots in the playoffs with Brock Osweiller and had a chance to win, that game is clear in my mind because I was in Vegas. I was able to see Dallas lose to GB in the final seconds in the sports book at the Cosmo...which was a lot of fun.
When you stack it all up it's really insane where this team is today. We finally had a top shelf QB, and look at where that's brought us. To say O'Brien's conduct was beyond the pale is putting it mildly. I don't see how any team in the NFL could even interview the guy in the future, he railroaded the entire franchise. Not to mention having a top 3 WR in the NFL and we don't even get a 1st round pick?
I hope Lovie succeeds, and Mills. The AFC has become a monster when it comes to QB's, I hope we put the pieces in place to support Mills, but almost more importantly I hope we invest defensively to combat these QB's.
Money be damned, one day I hope Watson wakes up and tell the Browns he doesn't want to be there, he'll wish he went home to Atlanta and a weak NFC.
Watson showed his true colors and while it is a tremendous loss of talent, it removes a layer of "ickyness" from the franchise. See the Browns response to his signing as proof that winning isn't everything.
I still maintain BoB never really wanted to be GM, but found himself in a situation where he bullied the Texans into making that his role. Once he realized how in over his head he was, his arrogance took over and couldn't ask for help. It was a bad situation, but it's a thing of the past. I am willing to bet the Texans have new controls in place to prevent someone from accumulating so much power (GM, trade clauses, etc.)
Easterby is still with the team, yes. But I think he became a scapegoat for a lot of players who didn't want to be a part of the rebuild. It seems as if Caserio is in full control of the direction of the team based upon the results. We're going to continue hearing a lot of narratives, but my guess is these are mostly gossip/fiction because we know for sure Caserio is not dropping bread crumbs on the actual decisions he's making.
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