I think the Texans have a Jimmy G level QB in Davis Mills.

Harbaugh back to Michigan

Kevin O'Connell to Minnesota

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So it's either McCown or Flores. Both of which will cause a shlt storm.

Texans doing Texans things

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Isn't the Philly DC still an option?

Ganondorf or whatever his name is

it has to be McCown.

don't think Flores would have filed the lawsuit if he still had a chance to get a head coaching job this hiring cycle

Oh god no

Gannon or Flores. Unless they wait forever and McCown is the only one left

canadiaggie said:

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Ag_07 said:

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So it's either McCown or Flores. Both of which will cause a shlt storm.

Texans doing Texans things

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Isn't the Philly DC still an option?

Ganondorf or whatever his name is

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Calling him Gandalf now.

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Gannon or Flores. Unless they wait forever and McCown is the only one left

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Sounds like it's setting up nicely for McCown to be HC with Flores as Associate HC/advisory role type of position.

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rbcs_2 said:

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bilbobag said:

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Gannon or Flores. Unless they wait forever and McCown is the only one left

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Sounds like it's setting up nicely for McCown to be HC with Flores as Associate HC/advisory role type of position.

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You think the guy that just sued the league because he thinks he's being discriminated against in head coaching searches is gonna take a position below a guy who literally has no coaching experience to speak of?

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No not really. This was suggested to me by someone with connections when Flores came to Houston. If they really want McCown as HC, then I can only hope they pull it off I suppose.

If Gannon is the guy, I'm not sure what the holdup is. I think Flores is effectively out of the running for any HC position.

This is shaping up to be the hire that really tells us if Caserio or Easterby is in charge. If McCown gets the job, Easterby is pulling the strings, period. Flores or Gannon, it's Caserio. If Caserio is really the GM I don't get why he would hire McCown if he wants to win games and build a program.

I do agree with OP, if Flores isn't hired and McCown or Gannon is, Houston is getting added to the suit. One has experience as HC, the others don't.

Yes, this plan was suggested to me before the lawsuit. The way it was told was he wouldn't be on McCown's staff. It would be more like a position that Romeo has. But like I said a few pages back, this guy (local sports media) is pretty down on the Texans right now. It was likely just connecting some dots.

Sorry Max didn't mean to click reply on yours.

Edit - I'm not really sure what to make of the lawsuit. It's an odd one in my opinion and in many ways, it seems like a publicity stunt. It's not seeking any result. The allegations are sketchy, or at least easy to deny/hard to prove. Also, every team is named, but I doubt they fear it.

At this point, I hope it's Gannon and it's gotdang time to make a decision. I think he has a lot of potential. I just won't believe it until I see it.

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Yes, this plan was suggested to me before the lawsuit. The way it was told was he wouldn't be on McCown's staff. It would be more like a position that Romeo has. But like I said a few pages back, this guy (local sports media) is pretty down on the Texans right now. It was likely just connecting some dots.

Sorry Max didn't mean to click reply on yours.

Edit - I'm not really sure what to make of the lawsuit. It's an odd one in my opinion and in many ways, it seems like a publicity stunt. It's not seeking any result. The allegations are sketchy, or at least easy to deny/hard to prove. Also, every team is named, but I doubt they fear it.

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Agree with you on the lawsuit. Very bizarre that he's willing to potentially throw away his career on little more than a hunch. Hiring Daboll instead of him is not some crazy outcome that could only be borne of racism.

While I'm sure the teams and the league aren't happy to be embroiled in very public litigation alleging racism by the owners, I'm not sure where he thinks he's going to get any evidence of this. I wonder if him and his lawyer are thinking that they'll get a smoking gun in discovery a la Gruden. My guess is that, after Gruden, anyone in the league that was making inappropriate comments has stopped and spent the last 4 months scrubbing their e-mail accounts.

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Yes, this plan was suggested to me before the lawsuit. The way it was told was he wouldn't be on McCown's staff. It would be more like a position that Romeo has. But like I said a few pages back, this guy (local sports media) is pretty down on the Texans right now. It was likely just connecting some dots.

Sorry Max didn't mean to click reply on yours.

Edit - I'm not really sure what to make of the lawsuit. It's an odd one in my opinion and in many ways, it seems like a publicity stunt. It's not seeking any result. The allegations are sketchy, or at least easy to deny/hard to prove. Also, every team is named, but I doubt they fear it.

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Agree with you on the lawsuit. Very bizarre that he's willing to potentially throw away his career on little more than a hunch. Hiring Daboll instead of him is not some crazy outcome that could only be borne of racism.

While I'm sure the teams and the league aren't happy to be embroiled in very public litigation alleging racism by the owners, I'm not sure where he thinks he's going to get any evidence of this. I wonder if him and his lawyer are thinking that they'll get a smoking gun in discovery a la Gruden. My guess is that, after Gruden, anyone in the league that was making inappropriate comments has stopped and spent the last 4 months scrubbing their e-mail accounts.

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Yeah I think we all know just how well the NFL controls the narrative. ESPN gave him his day but they aren't going to talk about it for long. The lawsuit might just fade into nothingness.

They were talking about the Giants timeline on the radio this morning and another thing struck me. Flores apparently got the text from Belichick a day or two before his interview. While Belichick made it sound like the Giants' decision was already made, that's not necessarily the case. It may have just been Daboll was in the pole position. However, how good of an impression could Flores have made if he went into the interview believing the decision was already made? I can't imagine he gave an impressive interview under those circumstances. There's at least a chance he may very well have taken himself out of the running of a job he still could have landed by going into the interview believing it was done.

The entire Flores lawsuit deal is extremely odd to me.

The timing of it seeing as he was still a possibility with other teams like Houston and NOLA.

The whole media tour and going on CBS the next morning screams publicity stunt.

And the difficulty in proving that he was snubbed because of his race is odd.

It's all just really weird to me.

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F it. I'd be down for a McCown experiment at this point.

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I was so against it , but they have came this far , If Flores is out F it hire McCown . Either they look like genius or dumbasses . If it doesn't work out hopefully they get fired.
I haven't really looked into Gannon a lot though.

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F it. I'd be down for a McCown experiment at this point.

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same here.

the Texans are still 2 or 3 years away from contending for the playoffs.

(unless the entire division implodes...and it might in the near future)

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I'm not really sure what to make of the lawsuit. It's an odd one in my opinion and in many ways, it seems like a publicity stunt. It's not seeking any result. The allegations are sketchy, or at least easy to deny/hard to prove. Also, every team is named, but I doubt they fear it.

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I've thought it was a stunt from the beginning. I'm sure it was just coincidence that it was filed on February 1, the first day of Black History Month, while there were still 4 open HC jobs in the NFL. Then the story that he contacted the Texans and another team to tell them that despite the suit in which he names 3 teams specifically, he would still love to be considered for their HC job; that sounds a lot like a thinly veiled threat to me. The background to that conversation is "hire me or you might get named in this suit."

He's going to have an incredibly difficult time proving systemic racial discrimination by the NFL as a whole, particularly given that "the NFL" doesn't hire or fire anyone; the teams individually do that. Anecdotal "I can't prove it but I know it when I see it" arguments aren't evidence. Something close to 40% of the total coaches in the NFL are minorities. So it would appear that the only place where minority representation is "lacking" is in the very top 32 jobs, and that number ebbs and flows over time. Calling the NFL and it's owners "systemically racist" (not coincidentally a current catch phrase in the racial grievance industry) but limiting the consideration to only the HC position is an interesting way to parse the discussion. The responsibilities of a HC in the NFL are much greater than simply coaching X's & O'sYou are being put in charger of a $3.5 billion enterprise. It takes an extraordinary person to be successful at that level of responsibility in any endeavor.

So what is the "proper" amount of head coaches that should be black to prove discrimination? Should that number be based on the population at large (roughly 13%) or demo of players, which would be almost 58%?

At the end of the day, unless you want to put in place some kind of fixed number or percentage that the NFL must hit for its head coaches, something like the Rooney rule is the best you're going to do.

The real irony is that the team that a HC would run in the NFL are pure meritocracies.

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As of this am, I'm told the #Texans still have not made a final decision on their head coach, but Brian Flores is still considered a finalist--even after his filing of a class-action lawsuit in Manhattan federal court against the NFL--along with Jonathan Gannon & Josh McCown

Additionally I'm told that the #Texans spent the last 48hrs or so thoroughly vetting the staffing plans for each of their finalists to ascertain viability, availability & fit. The outcome of that review is very important to this process, as is alignment, per league source.

So the #Texans are starting the process of rallying up on their decision. My understanding is Kevin O'Connell, who interviewed for the HC job, continues to be thought of highly within Houston's organization. O'Connell is earmarked for the Vikings HC job, unofficially.

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Texans' finalists for head coaching vacancy includes Jonathan Gannon, Josh McCown and Brian Flores as detailed process continues, according to league sources

— Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) February 3, 2022

Flores has to be a finalist. If you drop him then you either get put on his lawsuit and/or sued for retaliation. Texans know they can't get more bad press. They have to make it believable one way or another.

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oh no said:

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F it. I'd be down for a McCown experiment at this point.

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I was so against it , but they have came this far , If Flores is out F it hire McCown . Either they look like genius or dumbasses . If it doesn't work out hopefully they get fired.
I haven't really looked into Gannon a lot though.

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No, no, no....a thousand times no. Hiring McCown as your head coach is an absolute joke. If you've never been in coaching, there is ABSOLUTLELY no way that he is qualified to be a head coach in the NFL. You hire McCown, and Flores adds the Texans to the lawsuit immediately, as well he should. Hiring a white coach who has never even put on a headset over a black coach with an impressive resume just proves his case. This isn't "it's just so crazy it might work." It's stupid, offensive and arrogant that they are even considering it.

If they love McCown, that is fine. Hire Gannon (I prefer Flores, but so be it) and put McCown on the staff somewhere. I wouldn't make him your OC, because that is probably even a more difficult job than HC in some ways (all about x's and o's). But, you want to make McCown a position coach or offensive analyst or whatever...fine. But, you hire McCown as your head coach under no circumstances. I'm happy that Flores filed his suit if for no other reason that it puts a spotlight on the foolishness and buffoonery of hiring a completely unqualified person to lead your team.

I really hope they hire Flores. I know that is a longshot, but the dude is a good coach, and it would completely change the laughable narrative around the Texans. Free agents will want to play for Flores. Changes your team in a positive way overnight, and a lot of people around the league will probably be privately happy about it because it really makes his lawsuit harder to prove. It's win/win.

I'll be ok with Gannon, though. Anybody but McCown.

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Flores has to be a finalist. If you drop him then you either get put on his lawsuit and/or sued for retaliation. Texans know they can't get more bad press. They have to make it believable one way or another.

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I've seen this said a few times. Thinking about it though, nothing would invalidate the lawsuit faster than the Flores people adding teams (every team is in the lawsuit by the way) just because he didn't get a job or wasn't a finalist.

Flores had very specific reasons to name the Broncos, Dolphins, and Giants. As long as the Texans followed proper procedure, they shouldn't be concerned.

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Texan_Aggie said:

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Flores has to be a finalist. If you drop him then you either get put on his lawsuit and/or sued for retaliation. Texans know they can't get more bad press. They have to make it believable one way or another.

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I've seen this said a few times. Thinking about it though, nothing would invalidate the lawsuit faster than the Flores people adding teams (every team is in the lawsuit by the way) just because he didn't get a job or wasn't a finalist.

Flores had very specific reasons to name the Broncos, Dolphins, and Giants. As long as the Texans followed proper procedure, they shouldn't be concerned.

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Read that last sentence again.

Hiring McCown is perfect for Nick and Jack.

Nick can continue to wear his headset on Sundays and be involved with the day to day football stuff as much as he wants.

Jack gets his culture guy who he can trust to run bible studies on his behalf.

But...That was all up until this lawsuit thing popped up. I imagine that threw a big wrench into the plan.

Ag_07 said:

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Hiring McCown is perfect for Nick and Jack.

Nick can continue to wear his headset on Sundays and be involved with the day to day football stuff as much as he wants.

Jack gets his culture guy who he can trust to run bible studies on his behalf.

But...That was all up until this lawsuit thing popped up. I imagine that threw a big wrench into the plan.

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Yep. Thank you, Coach Flores.