***** Brace for Impact: The Official Houston Texans 2021 Thread *****

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In reply to W • 11:15p, 12/27/21
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W said:
Miami improves to 8-7 with its victory over the Saints tonight. Decent chance to make the playoffs.

this is why you don't trade players for draft picks during the season. Caserio made the right call


Dolphins might be out of the Watson market, as well. Maybe not, but you could understand them sticking with Tua.
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In reply to Snake Jazz • 8:53a, 12/28/21
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I am starting to wonder if anyone is actually still "IN" the market
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9:09a, 12/28/21
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Watson would fit right in with Washington
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10:10a, 12/28/21
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Isnt all his civil cases scheduled for feb? You would think it will all be settled by time the draft comes around
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10:14a, 12/28/21
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How much do yall reckon this case will end up costing Watson in attorneys fees? I have no idea how much something like this ends up being. Obviously a tough ballpark and depends on billable hours, but surely someone has a very rough guess.
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In reply to Ags #1 • 11:55a, 12/28/21
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Isnt all his civil cases scheduled for feb? You would think it will all be settled by time the draft comes around
I think it was reported that he'll sit for deposition(s) in February in the various cases. The thought is the same though, that he'll settle before actually attending one.

His accusers are already being deposed.
https://sportsnaut.com/deshaun-watson-news-accusers-depositions/

Worst case scenario for the Texans trade front is that Watson attends the depos and asserts the Fifth to every substantive question.
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In reply to Sea Speed • 12:08p, 12/28/21
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How much do yall reckon this case will end up costing Watson in attorneys fees? I have no idea how much something like this ends up being. Obviously a tough ballpark and depends on billable hours, but surely someone has a very rough guess.
It would greatly depend on whether the cases are tried, or settle in the near future.

I'd guess he's easily in the 1-2 million range now given there's 23 cases, depositions have already started, and Hardin has had close to a year to generate billables. That's just a guess though.

I have no clue how they are staffing the cases, and what kind of motion work has transpired. It could be more.
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In reply to bdgol07 • 12:25p, 12/28/21
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bdgol07 said:
I am starting to wonder if anyone is actually still "IN" the market


Not sure that the market for Watson will be as much as the Texans want…obviously, Watson's image might prevent some teams from being involved. But, assuming he gets his legal problems resolved, there will be multiple teams interested. He is too young and too talented for nobody to want him.

Unfortunately, his no trade clause might be a problem. Sounds like he really doesn't care as much about winning as he does living in a destination city. From a football perspective, he would be ideal in Pittsburgh or Cleveland, but those cities probably don't interest him.

Denver? New York Giants? Maybe New Orleans? Maybe Atlanta?
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In reply to Faustus • 12:29p, 12/28/21
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Yea I get there are a ton of variables. Just wondering what a rough idea was for a case of this scale. Thanks. Dude is hemorrhaging money im sure, especially with all of his endorsements gone.
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12:59p, 12/28/21
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I think at this point there's just as good a chance that the Texans cut Deshaun for nothing as there is they get a multiple first round haul for him.
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1:07p, 12/28/21
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Until Deshaun settles, he has no value. I don't think anyone is going to take that risk. But if/when he does, I believe there will be several teams interested. Since tanking is now a thing in the NFL, there are several teams with good talent but lacking a QB.
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3:38p, 12/28/21
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Watson's deposition date is February 22, 2022, but that doesn't really mean anything either. That's just the first date he might have to do one. Rusty can get that thing reset a billion times if he wants.

The final status hearing date on the current documentation is May 2, 2022. That would be a date to set a trial date, but again, a good lawyer can keep kicking that can down the road for all sorts of reasons, and he'll use COVID as an excuse any time he needs it.

Of course the longer it goes on, presumably the more time he's not playing football. He'll be 27 next September. When does he start getting antsy about salary and missing a big chunk of his best athletic years? At some point the skills are going to get stale without going against top-flight competition.
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4:03p, 12/28/21
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I think more rides on the criminal aspect as opposed to the civil.

I read somewhere a while ago that a grand jury is supposed to hear the case around Jan/Feb.

If it's determined that he's going to be indicted then he's looking at missing another season and that would force the NFL to put him on the exempt list and he'd still be getting paid.

The kicker is that instead of $10mm his salary bumps to $34mm in 2022.

While the Texans are OK eating $10mm will they be OK with eating $35mm especially for a player who has essentially no trade value at that point? At what point is the juice not worth the squeeze?
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In reply to Ag_07 • 9:02a, 12/29/21
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I think more rides on the criminal aspect as opposed to the civil.

I read somewhere a while ago that a grand jury is supposed to hear the case around Jan/Feb.

If it's determined that he's going to be indicted then he's looking at missing another season and that would force the NFL to put him on the exempt list and he'd still be getting paid.

The kicker is that instead of $10mm his salary bumps to $34mm in 2022.

While the Texans are OK eating $10mm will they be OK with eating $35mm especially for a player who has essentially no trade value at that point? At what point is the juice not worth the squeeze?
Depending on his contract language, there could be potential outs for the Texans if he's charged/convicted of something serious. If they were to release him before it plays out they stand to lose more IMO than if they wait it out to see if they can trade him, get real assets, or have his contract voided if something is triggered in his contract. I doubt Houston does anything but wait this out.

The civil stuff can be resolved with a check and a NDA, but there's a criminal investigation as well which will determine his fate...and the Texans.
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In reply to Max Power • 11:40a, 12/29/21
The way BOB was bent over on just about everything, I seriously doubt there's any contract language favorable to us.
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In reply to Thinice • 12:09p, 12/29/21
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The way BOB was bent over on just about everything, I seriously doubt there's any contract language favorable to us.

O'Brien was maybe the worst GM in history, but even he wouldn't have handled the contract language.
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In reply to Ryan34 • 12:49p, 12/29/21
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Ryan34 said:
Thinice said:
The way BOB was bent over on just about everything, I seriously doubt there's any contract language favorable to us.

O'Brien was maybe the worst GM in history, but even he wouldn't have handled the contract language.
Yeah, that would have been left to the real brains behind the operation, Jack Easterby.
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2:34p, 12/29/21
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As pointed out above, if Watson wants to take this all to trial, you're looking at another year at a minimum. Could be several years. I can't imagine he wants to miss the prime years of his career while the legal process unfolds. It is not in his best interest to try all this stuff. He needs to settle the civil cases in the next few months, and the Texans need to use whatever leverage they have to make him do so. He needs to know that he is untradeable until cases are resolved, and if he is on the roster next season, he will be expected to play. That should motivate him.

If he is indicted, this is likely irrelevant. Texans might have to cut him at that point.
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5:23p, 12/29/21
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Watson lost a year of football in his prime, but he also is desirable because he didnt take any wear and tear on his body this year....likely adding a year or two on the back end of his career.

It's really too bad, we've got a franchise QB that is only 26, and he's likely to never play for Houston again. Sooo hard to get a HOF-type QB, then you lose him. What a jacked up situation.
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In reply to Aust Ag • 5:35p, 12/29/21
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Aust Ag said:
Watson lost a year of football in his prime, but he also is desirable because he didnt take any wear and tear on his body this year....likely adding a year or two on the back end of his career.


That's what people thought about Leveon Bell.

I know different positions and all but I think if you look back at players who sit out in their prime it's a net negative.

Think that's why very few actually go through with holdouts once the season starts.
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In reply to Aust Ag • 8:35a, 12/30/21
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Aust Ag said:
Watson lost a year of football in his prime, but he also is desirable because he didnt take any wear and tear on his body this year....likely adding a year or two on the back end of his career.

It's really too bad, we've got a franchise QB that is only 26, and he's likely to never play for Houston again. Sooo hard to get a HOF-type QB, then you lose him. What a jacked up situation.

We lost a year of his prime after he won 4 games last year for… 4 wins with a rookie 3rd round qb. Watson was not the missing link this year. Dude put up great stats, but let's not act like he was as important to the Texans as a Rodgers/TB/etc.

Great QB, not an elite winning qb in the NFL yet.
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8:41a, 12/30/21
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what the Texans really needed last year was an elite go-to wide receiver.... oh wait...
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3:24p, 12/30/21
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it's been a strange deal with Watson.

Hardin was hired back in March...and yet the saga is continuing into 2022
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In reply to Snake Jazz • 3:35p, 12/30/21
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As pointed out above, if Watson wants to take this all to trial, you're looking at another year at a minimum. Could be several years. I can't imagine he wants to miss the prime years of his career while the legal process unfolds. It is not in his best interest to try all this stuff. He needs to settle the civil cases in the next few months, and the Texans need to use whatever leverage they have to make him do so. He needs to know that he is untradeable until cases are resolved, and if he is on the roster next season, he will be expected to play. That should motivate him.

If he is indicted, this is likely irrelevant. Texans might have to cut him at that point.


This is why his strategy hasn't made any sense from the get-go. It's virtually impossible to get a civil case to trial in Harris County in under 2 years. And that's assuming both sides want a quick trial. If one side wants to slow it down, they can. Buzbee could easily drag this out 3-4 more years if he wanted. And he will want to, as every month that goes by without Watson seeing a football field is another month of his finite months of earning a living on a football field. Buzbee has an incentive to maximize Watson's stress in watching his career disappear, as it ups the value for him.
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In reply to W • 2:13p, 12/31/21
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it's been a strange deal with Watson.

Hardin was hired back in March...and yet the saga is continuing into 2022
I bet the hold up is over the language in the settlements. Watson likely wants some sort of no admission of liability or wrongdoing clause, and Buzbee 1) is going to have to sell his clients on that, and 2) extract every dollar possible for the concession.

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7:14a, 1/1/22
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Hutchinson kind of disappeared last night. For a guy rated as the no 1 prospect in the draft by Kiper and McShay I expected more. He runs into an SEC offensive line and he's no longer the world beater he was in the Big 10, granted the entire Michigan team had the same problem. Regardless of draft position or player rating I was the most impressed with Georgia linebacker Nakobe Smith, he was everywhere. In addition to his play he graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering in 3 years with a 3.5 gpa, impressive young man. I'll take a guy like that every day.
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In reply to Max Power • 7:31a, 1/1/22
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I was the most impressed with Georgia linebacker Nakobe Smith


Nakobe Dean was more impressive
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8:09a, 1/1/22
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If the Texans can suck for number 1 again next year, Will Anderson Jr is a much better prospect IMO than Hutchinson.
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In reply to KTAG05 • 10:04a, 1/1/22
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But pair Hutchinson with Anderson over the next two drafts??? That's electric
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In reply to BMX Bandit • 10:58a, 1/1/22
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BMX Bandit said:
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I was the most impressed with Georgia linebacker Nakobe Smith


Nakobe Dean was more impressive


Oops.
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2:11p, 1/2/22
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Wow, the Jags really laying it on thick for that #1 seed.

Down 41-3 to New England in the third quarter. That Trevor Lawrence 13 of 20 with 3 INTS
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4:52p, 1/2/22
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Texans playing pretty well today.
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4:57p, 1/2/22
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And forward progres rears it's ugly head again
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4:57p, 1/2/22
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I know this thread is dead, but holy s*** did the refs just pull a hatchet job to completely change the trajectory of this game on back-to-back plays.
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In reply to rrn130 • 4:58p, 1/2/22
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rrn130 said:
And forward progres rears it's ugly head again


That was clearly a decision they made to keep it from getting reviewed.
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