***** Brace for Impact: The Official Houston Texans 2021 Thread *****

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CoachRTM said:

Falcons deal was significantly better for the Texans.

Unless Cleveland just craters and all those first round picks are in the top 5-10.... which I guess is possible given their franchise history.



Agreed, but it's still a good deal Hopefully the next time someone asks for a NTC in their contract we tell them hell no or they have to have a clause for personal conduct. I don't think any player is worth the **** Watson has pulled.
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Let's not forget that although BoB was the GM Ole Big E was one who negotiated that Watson deal with the NTC.

IIRC he even bragged about being involved when it was signed.

Yeah...The Big E that's still employed but the Texans.
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Am i missing something about the Browns? I keep hearing that Watson has never been on a team this talented and that they are ready to compete for a championship? It's like everyone thinks that Watson's teams were like the BoBtacular one in 2020. I'm not sold that the browns are more talented than the 2018 or 2019 Houston teams...or am i just crazy and/or bitter?
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I'm surprised everyone is so upset I see 3 top 15 picks in their future in addition to at least two top 10 picks. They shed a ton of his cap hit so they can sign young players. They took on no future liability and will have deep pockets to sign linemen and key players 2-3 years from now when they should be back to good. You don't need more liabilities when you're shedding bad contracts.

Just remember how good Cleveland has been. Just remember they're still Cleveland and he just took another GM for their job and burdened another franchise.
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They have talent but it's Cleveland. Chubb and that OL are good and Myles on defense. I think they lack WRs.

If there's any team the Texans wanna count on to fck things up it's Cleveland.

They've mastered it even moreso than the Texans.
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Coog97 said:

helloimustbegoing said:

$230 million of guaranteed money to a guy who

1) Quit on his team
2) Hasn't played in a year
3) Still has a potentially very embarassing civil lawsuit going on.

Only the Browns and the 1980s/1990s Clippers would think that's a good idea.
Remember when the Clippers wanted to trade for Hakeem, but were unwilling to part with either Danny Manning or Ron Harper???
My favorite Jim Rome one-liner of all time was him saying, "The NBA Draft is tonight. Some Clipper fan needs to call the front office and remind Elgin Baylor that they need to start thinking about who to pick."
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IrishAg said:

Also giving him a completely guaranteed contract that pays him more than Mahomes or Allen for the next four years is crazy.


Yea, I definitely didn't have that on my bingo card.
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I personally think it's a good trade. Three first round picks for a guy with a ton of baggage…I know it's not as good as what Seattle got but Winston, although older, is a saint compared to DW. Either way, this organization is still a bottom dweller and this thread will likely drop back to 4-5 posts weekly after the draft.
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Ag_07 said:

They have talent but it's Cleveland. Chubb and that OL are good and Myles on defense. I think they lack WRs.
They just acquired Amari Cooper and I wouldn't be surprised if they sign Will Fuller to a cheap deal soon.

That being said, Watson will have to learn to play in the Cleveland weather/cold for the future year picks to be late 1sts.
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and you know...credit to Easterby.

he outlasted Watson with the Texans organization.

Easterby has outlasted a lot of players, coaches, and GM's on Kirby Drive
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Man still pissed we couldnt get More for dw. Guess that great no trade clause was the reason for that but still anoying
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I share the sentiment that we didn't get enough, but I honestly believe closure is worth the price of the return. It's over now. He's proven how selfish he is, no one even knew that he was angling for a new contract before his extension kicked in, absurd.

Now they can sit down and game plan the rest of free agency and the draft.

And if Cleveland fails, oh boy. And now he's a resident of Cleveland, it sucks there. He had the chance to go home, but now he's going to a worse place. Going to be fun when he's had enough.
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I think the readiness the Texans had to move on from this shows in what they got back. It seems as long as a team was willing to meet the three 1st rounders, they were going to be an option for the Texans. And then let Deshaun choose where he wants to go out of those options.

And as far as a new contract goes, that's the other team's problem now. I think at least a renegotiation was always going to be part of the deal. Considering what the franchise was giving up, Deshaun had some leverage there. Cleveland was willing to sell their future to get him.

An interesting thing to watch for now is how the NFL handles a suspension with the base salary for this year being $1M. I wouldn't be surprised if the NFL "concludes their investigation" after the 2022 season and then suspends him in 2023, just to stick it to the Browns for trying to game the system.
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The good thing is, The Browns at still gonna suck for the next few years so we'll get good picks those drafts
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Now it's the Browns QB who has 22 civil suits that need to be settled plus a suspension for several games on a team with no first round picks for 3 years. Watson decided money was more important than playing at home in a dome, so he gets his first real taste of cold weather games at the mistake by the lake.

Cleveland will probably let him pick the next GM and coach. But does his new contract have a No Trade Clause?
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LincolnBorglum79 said:

Now it's the Browns QB who has 22 civil suits that need to be settled plus a suspension for several games on a team with no first round picks for 3 years. Watson decided money was more important than playing at home in a dome, so he gets his first real taste of cold weather games at the mistake by the lake.

Cleveland will probably let him pick the next GM and coach. But does his new contract have a No Trade Clause?
Yes... it's called $230m guaranteed. No other team is gonna touch that contract unless he starts putting up all world numbers which we all know is unlikely.
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rbcs_2 said:

I think the readiness the Texans had to move on from this shows in what they got back. It seems as long as a team was willing to meet the three 1st rounders, they were going to be an option for the Texans. And then let Deshaun choose where he wants to go out of those options.

And as far as a new contract goes, that's the other team's problem now. I think at least a renegotiation was always going to be part of the deal. Considering what the franchise was giving up, Deshaun had some leverage there. Cleveland was willing to sell their future to get him.

An interesting thing to watch for now is how the NFL handles a suspension with the base salary for this year being $1M. I wouldn't be surprised if the NFL "concludes their investigation" after the 2022 season and then suspends him in 2023, just to stick it to the Browns for trying to game the system.


This is huge leverage for Buzbee. Watson negotiated a contract based on him being suspended in 2022. However, the league appears hesitant to dole out a suspension until the legal issues are resolved. This is probably fallout from the Ray Rice debacle. They don't want to run the risk of new info coming to light after the suspension that makes the suspension look light. So, Watson has about 30 million reasons to want to get these settled ASAP.
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Interesting point. Let's see if they are thinking that far ahead.

The structure of the contract gives the NFL a huge reason to wait to suspend him. The league loves it's star players though. And I've seen it mentioned that the NFL could say that because he sat out all of last season, that serves as his suspension.
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There is 0% chance the nfl says that.
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Deshaun's salary cap number also has to be huge past 2022. And not much wiggle room to restructure it to free up space. The Browns have a good roster now, but it will be interesting to see what they can do with no first round picks and limited cap flexibility. They really need to win in 2022.

Just doing some quick math:

- $45M of his contract was a signing bonus. That will count $9M against the cap each of the 5 years.

- Then $230M total - $45M signing bonus - $1M salary in 2022 leaves $184M left on the deal.

- $184M / 4 years averages to $46M + $9M prorated bonus = $55M average cap hit in 2023 and beyond.
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Texans are set to have, at least, around $118M in cap room in 2023.
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I do wonder if Goodell will make an example of them for trying to game the system. It would not surprise me if he has something special in mind in order to set the bar for future issues.
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Now that the last of the BoB/Easterby contacts and markings are gone from the team, what will local media talk about now?

They may actually to have do their job and prepare
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Ryan34 said:

Deshaun's salary cap number also has to be huge past 2022. And not much wiggle room to restructure it to free up space. The Browns have a good roster now, but it will be interesting to see what they can do with no first round picks and limited cap flexibility. They really need to win in 2022.

Just doing some quick math:

- $45M of his contract was a signing bonus. That will count $9M against the cap each of the 5 years.

- Then $230M total - $45M signing bonus - $1M salary in 2022 leaves $184M left on the deal.

- $184M / 4 years averages to $46M + $9M prorated bonus = $55M average cap hit in 2023 and beyond.


Pretty much, and then add that to Myles and Amari's contracts in 2023 and that's around 100 mil of the salary cap allocated to 3 players. So after next year, I'm not sure how good that team will be unless they can get veterans dirt cheap
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It will be interesting to see if the Texans try to recoup some of the money they have paid Watson.
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There is a decent chance that people will look back on this trade in a few years and wonder why Cleveland was willing to give up 3 first round picks plus a third and an upgrade from 5th to a 4th for Deshaun Watson. And at the same time signed him to a long extension as if he is the best QB in the NFL. I wonder how many trades have included 3 first round picks for a single player in NFL history?
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Texan_Aggie said:

Now that the last of the BoB/Easterby contacts and markings are gone from the team, what will local media talk about now?

They may actually to have do their job and prepare
it crossed my mind too...the local sportstalk is not happy to see Watson leave.

his drama gave them something to talk about every day
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also..the sudden trade with Cleveland...speaks to Caserio and company's getting rid of the leakers at NRG.

maybe it really was BoB and the former P.R. person that would spill everything so early
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bilbobag said:

It will be interesting to see if the Texans try to recoup some of the money they have paid Watson.


On what grounds?
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LincolnBorglum79 said:

There is a decent chance that people will look back on this trade in a few years and wonder why Cleveland was willing to give up 3 first round picks plus a third and an upgrade from 5th to a 4th for Deshaun Watson. And at the same time signed him to a long extension as if he is the best QB in the NFL. I wonder how many trades have included 3 first round picks for a single player in NFL history?


The only other time was Hershell Walker.
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MookieBlaylock said:

bilbobag said:

It will be interesting to see if the Texans try to recoup some of the money they have paid Watson.


On what grounds?


I wonder, if the league rules that he doesn't need to be suspended this year because he never played last year, then we should get some salary back.
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IrishAg said:

MookieBlaylock said:

bilbobag said:

It will be interesting to see if the Texans try to recoup some of the money they have paid Watson.


On what grounds?


I wonder, if the league rules that he doesn't need to be suspended this year because he never played last year, then we should get some salary back.


Yeah good luck with that
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The Hershel Walker trade involving 18'players/draft choices was indeed the only other trade in NFL history involving 3 first round picks. So this is the highest draft compensation ever received for a single player in terms of number 1 picks. Let's hope we can do what Dallas did as a result of the walker trade.
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MookieBlaylock said:

IrishAg said:

MookieBlaylock said:

bilbobag said:

It will be interesting to see if the Texans try to recoup some of the money they have paid Watson.


On what grounds?


I wonder, if the league rules that he doesn't need to be suspended this year because he never played last year, then we should get some salary back.


Yeah good luck with that


lol, was only throwing out a scenario, chances are less than a 100th of a percentage.
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MookieBlaylock said:

bilbobag said:

It will be interesting to see if the Texans try to recoup some of the money they have paid Watson.


On what grounds?
LZ posted this yesterday...

 
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