***** Brace for Impact: The Official Houston Texans 2021 Thread *****

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Yea it was talked about here a lot when it went down. You could easily go back and see everyone saying he fleeced the texans.

The reality is that easterly needs to go and almost certainly cal as well before anything with this franchise changes for the better.
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Direct result of giving GM power to 2 guys who aren't GMs.

Deshaun and his people saw an opportunity to pounce and they did.
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From https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/si55nh/comment/hv6mtbv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

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After the end of the 2019 season, Mr. Ross began to pressure Mr. Flores to recruit a prominent quarterback in violation of League tampering rules. Mr. Flores repeatedly refused to comply with these improper directives. Undeterred, in the winter of 2020, Mr. Ross invited Mr. Flores onto a yacht for lunch. Shortly after he arrived, Mr. Ross told Mr. Flores that the prominent quarterback was "conveniently" arriving at the marina. Obviously, Mr. Ross had attempted to "set up" a purportedly impromptu meeting between Mr. Flores and the prominent quarterback. Mr. Flores refused the meeting and left the yacht immediately. After the incident, Mr. Flores was treated with disdain and held out as someone who was noncompliant and difficult to work with.
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This is incredible. If the Dolphins were recruiting him and Deshaun was trying to pull one over on the BoB, what does this possibly mean for Houston? Do they get some kind of compensation, execute a clause to waive the contract, etc?

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Noble07 said:

This is incredible. If the Dolphins were recruiting him and Deshaun was trying to pull one over on the BoB, what does this possibly mean for Houston? Do they get some kind of compensation, execute a clause to waive the contract, etc?




Or can you just void out part of the contract? Like the no trade clause portion?
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Noble07 said:

This is incredible. If the Dolphins were recruiting him and Deshaun was trying to pull one over on the BoB, what does this possibly mean for Houston? Do they get some kind of compensation, execute a clause to waive the contract, etc?


If tampering is proven, there are a lot of options on the table, including the tampering team sending draft assets to the tampered team.

What if the league allows the Texans to cancel the Watson deal and get their cap space back...AND....sends them draft picks from the Dolphins. Would be a win-win for the Texans in my book.
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Would the league suspend Watson for participating in the scheme? It would be so hilarious if he gets suspended for that but not his massage conduct.
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And he's claiming that Ross offered $100k to Flores per loss.

This gonna get good
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Ag_07 said:

And he's claiming that Ross offered $100k to Flores per loss.

This gonna get good
And Ross is apparently an investor in a sports betting website. This is going to go all sorts of ways...

https://www.yogonet.com/international/noticias/2019/11/29/51709-nfls-miami-dolphins-owner-stephen-ross-invests-in-sports-betting-startup

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Billionaire Stephen Ross has invested in the sports gambling startup the Action Network, yet another move by a National Football League (NFL) owner to capitalize on the growing trend of legal sports betting.
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I doubt it means anything....but Brady officially retires the same day this all surfaces?
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lunchbox said:

Noble07 said:

This is incredible. If the Dolphins were recruiting him and Deshaun was trying to pull one over on the BoB, what does this possibly mean for Houston? Do they get some kind of compensation, execute a clause to waive the contract, etc?


If tampering is proven, there are a lot of options on the table, including the tampering team sending draft assets to the tampered team.

What if the league allows the Texans to cancel the Watson deal and get their cap space back...AND....sends them draft picks from the Dolphins. Would be a win-win for the Texans in my book.


And they all lived happily ever after.
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Harabaugh to Minnesota.. Michigan has to be pissed right before signing day
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So Flores to Michigan?
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In light of the Flores lawsuit, I don't see how the Texans can hire McCown. How can they hire a white guy with zero experience over a black coach who is coming off two winning seasons and not expect to get added to this lawsuit?

Of course, when it comes to stupidity, the Texans have a whole lot of "hold my beer" in them.
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Snake Jazz said:

In light of the Flores lawsuit, I don't see how the Texans can hire McCown. How can they hire a white guy with zero experience over a black coach who is coming off two winning seasons and not expect to get added to this lawsuit?

Of course, when it comes to stupidity, the Texans have a whole lot of "hold my beer" in them.
LOL - one of the guys on 610 said this would be the perfect time to hire McCown. Break/hide the news while everyone is still clamoring over the Flores lawsuit...and they could always say they were interested in Flores until he included the Texans in the lawsuit.
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I'd say there's a better chance they hire McCown than Flores.

Can't see the NFL being OK with a team hiring someone who's got a lawsuit filed against them and 3 other teams.
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Ag_07 said:

I'd say there's a better chance they hire McCown than Flores.

Can't see the NFL being OK with a team hiring someone who's got a lawsuit filed against them and 3 other teams.
Every other teams were named as "John Doe"...since it is a class action lawsuit, it opens up other coaches/coaching candidates to sue the other 29.
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scratch Flores from the list --- don't want the headache
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I'm not buying it was Brady on the yacht. That doesn't make sense.

Hiring Flores would be a big head scratcher for the national media. They'd have to think hard about crapping on Cal/Easterby who hired the Kaepernick of head coaches.
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W said:

scratch Flores from the list --- don't want the headache


That was the whole concern with Flores for me from the get go even before all this.

It came to light early on that he was hard to get along with and not good on the relationship/people skills side of things.

Guess those concerns weren't that far off.
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Correct me I am wrong but doesn't Stephen Rosa have a vested interest in Action network gambling company? If so, paying a coach to lose game isn't going to go over very well.

Something to keep an eye on.
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That is correct
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To me this feels like a last straw sort of thing with Flores, with my limited knowledge of the situation. Let's say that there is a lot more to him being fired in Miami than just not wanting Tua to be their QB. Wouldn't a man of any sort of integrity have a big issue with being offered money to lose games? Wouldn't he also possibly have an issue with possible tampering? If he truly lost his job in Miami because he wasn't willing to compromise his sense of integrity he's already scorned. Perhaps he coveted the Giants job above the others, and then finding out that he was interviewed after someone else was already given the position due to the Rooney Rule then gas is added to that fire. If he then recalled someone else in a position of authority interviewing him years ago for a position he also coveted but they weren't professional then he sees a pattern.

These are lofty allegations against 3 separate multi-billion dollar entities by one man, doesn't make them true or untrue, but feels like a stretch to risk any possible future employment in the NFL on meritless claims. Regardless of outcome an investigation is warranted at a minimum.

After firing Culley, who won 4 games in the worst situation in the NFL, only to hire McCown, who has no resume to justify a job of that nature, it would be really tough. The Flores suit doesn't take pressure off, it increases the visibility of the hires going forward.

I still think if he's the best candidate it should be him, regardless of the suit. But this complicates Caserio's job in filling the role.
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So one interesting aspect of all this is any NFL investigation that may come up aside from the lawsuit.

For instance let's say the NFL decides it needs to investigate Steven Ross and these tampering and tanking allegations internally.

Why would Flores provide any cooperation and evidence to the NFL in their investigation if he has a lawsuit against them?

Seems like any NFL investigation would have to happen after the lawsuit is resolved.
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Like what they've done with Deshaun…

But remember, the NFL already knows and said the Flores claims were without merit!
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I think the allegations from Flores are extremely weak. But the NFL launching a real investigation on an owner? That type of thing only happens when the other owners are ready to kick another out of the billionaire's club.
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Another Goodell witch hunt…he's a politician
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rbcs_2 said:

I think the allegations from Flores are extremely weak. But the NFL launching a real investigation on an owner? That type of thing only happens when the other owners are ready to kick another out of the billionaire's club.
WIsh it'd happen for the HTX team...
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Hire Flores. If KOC is not serious about being the Texans head coach, hire Flores he was already a finalist for the job. It would finally put the franchise in a positive light. THis would help with fans and free agents. Why not do it?
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EastTX_Ag said:

Hire Flores. If KOC is not serious about being the Texans head coach, hire Flores he was already a finalist for the job. It would finally put the franchise in a positive light. THis would help with fans and free agents. Why not do it?
Because he's probably never been to an FCA meeting like Josh McCown.
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The same reason Deshaun never made the active roster this season and didn't get put on the exempt list... Orders from the top. My guess is the NFL is heavily against one of its teams hiring a coaching candidate who effectively is trying to tear down the league's initiative to hire underrepresented coaches during a time where, socially, this is a highly promoted topic. The NFL wouldn't directly punish you, likely, but the league and owner's group could make your life more difficult for the foreseeable future.

The Deshaun/Miami thing is starting to add up. I can't remember the exact quote, but Mahomes signed that 10-year extension which gave the Chiefs a ton of flexibility to continue to build around him. Watson said something like "it's a different situation for me" and seemed to not really want to extend with the Texans.

Fast forward a month or so and BoB is the GM, BoB is inept and making terrible decisions, etc., Watson now is content to sign a "long term" contract with the Texans that is guaranteed for a lot of money and allows him to control where he can be traded. 5 months later he begins to demand to be traded to only Miami because he wasn't "consulted" on his vacation on the GM/HC hire? Now there was a franchise qb in Miami in January being entertained by Stephen Ross the same time Deshaun is posting social media in Miami?

I know the media is saying it's Brady, but I have a hard time NOT connecting these dots. I think this was Deshaun's plan all along and kudos to him for securing the bag and future. That said, if this conspiracy theory is true, he's worse for the organization than Easterby is.



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thann07 said:

rbcs_2 said:

I think the allegations from Flores are extremely weak. But the NFL launching a real investigation on an owner? That type of thing only happens when the other owners are ready to kick another out of the billionaire's club.
WIsh it'd happen for the HTX team...
Me if it gets out there that Culley won too many games, which violated the terms of his contract.





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SeanDaAg2005 said:

From https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/si55nh/comment/hv6mtbv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

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After the end of the 2019 season, Mr. Ross began to pressure Mr. Flores to recruit a prominent quarterback in violation of League tampering rules. Mr. Flores repeatedly refused to comply with these improper directives. Undeterred, in the winter of 2020, Mr. Ross invited Mr. Flores onto a yacht for lunch. Shortly after he arrived, Mr. Ross told Mr. Flores that the prominent quarterback was "conveniently" arriving at the marina. Obviously, Mr. Ross had attempted to "set up" a purportedly impromptu meeting between Mr. Flores and the prominent quarterback. Mr. Flores refused the meeting and left the yacht immediately. After the incident, Mr. Flores was treated with disdain and held out as someone who was noncompliant and difficult to work with.

Sounds like Ross got Flores out on that yacht and figured there was no way he'd say no ... because of the implication.

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Why would Watson want to go to Miami?

He wants to live there? Liked the future prospect of the team? Liked Flores?

I wish the main stream sports media would pick up on this and do the work for us suffering Houston fans. Getting Cal caught up in a pay for tank season would make this even better.
 
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