***** Brace for Impact: The Official Houston Texans 2021 Thread *****

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Dead cap if cut before June 1 is $51.2M and after is $40.4M, which is the same as his cap hit of $40.4M if he's on the roster.

At some point, Texans will have to decide whether he is a worthless asset or not weighing the legal with potential suitors. He becomes very cheap to cut starting in 2023. If there are no trade partners before June 1, it seems to me given its the same cap hit to keep or cut, and it may just be better for the Texans to move forward without him.
I could be wrong, but if they are in any way considering a release at some point it would likely be tied to potential criminal charges. I would think there's language in his contract that allows his contract to be voided, and also the ability to recoup signing bonus if there's criminal charges of a certain degree. If they release before anything like that then they're on the hook for all the guaranteed money, and he can then go where he wants. Jumping the gun and releasing him could be way worse financially than waiting this out. It feels like the organizations hands are completely tied until this matter is resolved.

I'm not rooting for or against Watson in this situation, I don't know exactly what he did or didn't do. I do wonder how long Buzbee wants to drag this out because his clients aren't getting paid while this thing is in limbo. Feels like there's a point of diminishing returns for both sides of this, hard to see either side truly winning the longer it stretches out. Watson has lost a year of his career, and the accusers haven't seen anything financially while this case is still pending. Perhaps the clients consider finding other representation if they don't see some movement here.
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That was my point earlier. I think you have to assess after the draft whether he is worthless to the Texans because he isn't bringing trade value and the cost to keep/cut is the the same. I think Nick, however, is smart enough to know his contract backwards and forward to see if there is some sort of morals clause that is violated.

It would be so ironic if this thing drug on another 2-3 years and it was determined Watson had violated such clause and had to pay a big sum back to the Texans.

Deshaun may retire a Texans if this legal thing never resolves!
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I'm sure Caserio has reviewed this at length with the Texans legal staff to know what all the options and outcomes are. Watson has to think about possibilities like that, players have retired and owed money back (Calvin Johnson), some players delayed retirement because they didn't want to pay money back (Roethlisberger might have retired last year, but he would have owed the Steelers a large amount of money if he did, I think I read it would have been in the neighborhood of $10MM). Not everyone can be Andrew Luck, retire and offer to give back his remaining signing bonus only to be told by the owner that he can keep it.

If his case took a turn for the worse he could have that contact voided and owe the Texans a lot of money. I doubt that happens, if the case was a significant criminal matter I would have thought all the accusers would have gone to the police first instead of a civil attorney.
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.... Checking list and tenure to figure out if Bilbo is a coach
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Ok..we'll be waiting on your cliff notes.
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So basically, for the cases alleged by plaintiffs that haven't lodged a criminal compliant, Deshaun will be deposed and likely invoke the 5th on every question. For all the other cases, he will be deposed and likely invoke the 5th on every question after April 1. Hardin expects the criminal investigation to resolve April 1.

Is that basically it?
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Some of the charges have criminal aspects and some of the charges don't.

The ones that don't have criminal charges and plaintiffs have been deposed, Watson can be deposed for those. I think there is 8-9. Problem is Hardin is conveniently busy with another case.

So the earliest Watson could be deposed for those 8-9 would be March 7th.

All other charges that have criminal aspects will need to wait until evidence is brought before a grand jury to rule on which Hardin believes will be April 1st or sooner.

Watson will plead the 5th and that should tell you all you need to know.

All this does is delay everything.

Hardin is hoping criminal charges are dropped so to not enough evidence and then make the other plaintiffs less believable.

That's how I understand it
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So ummm changing gears a bit. I kind of hope Lovie is successful enough at being bad/mediocre (top 10 picks) for the next few years and the Texans cut ties after the rebuild. Then I hope they hire Demeco Ryans as coach and he brings a Super Bowl in his tenure.

A guy can hope and dream.
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EastTX_Ag said:

helloimustbegoing said:

I need someone to call this # like they have no idea what's going on with Watson and try to book him for an event.

Contact AthleteSpeakers today at 800-916-6008 to book Deshaun Watson for a keynote speech, virtual meetings, corporate appearance, grand opening, product announcement, moderated Q&A or for an exclusive meet and greet.
Huh?
I typed his name into Google and that came up.
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Texans signed jon weeks
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This for real?
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Another reason to root for Lovie.
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Deshandjobs personal QB coach went on a podcast and basically trashed his teammates. Putting others down to make yourself look better is always the mark of a loser. The guy needs someone in his life with basic common sense.

https://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Deshaun-Watson-Quincy-Avery-Texan-receiver-Walmart-16953245.php
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Someone to tell him no.
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Id bet at least one of those women did.
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AG@RICE said:

Deshandjobs personal QB coach went on a podcast and basically trashed his teammates. Putting others down to make yourself look better is always the mark of a loser. The guy needs someone in his life with basic common sense.

https://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Deshaun-Watson-Quincy-Avery-Texan-receiver-Walmart-16953245.php
What's the point of this?

I don't recall ANYONE calling Watson's on-the-field ability, talent or accomplishments into question. I don't recall ANYONE decrying his football IQ or dedication to learning / studying the game or his efforts to improve.

More and more, the mindset of the Watson camp seems to be "we're the victims here." You would think that someone facing the sort of off-the-field scrutiny he is would be hoping for some measure of grace to be given him. And yet, he has none to give to the franchise that is still paying him to not play. The lack of humility is pretty striking, IMO.
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Coog97 said:

AG@RICE said:

Deshandjobs personal QB coach went on a podcast and basically trashed his teammates. Putting others down to make yourself look better is always the mark of a loser. The guy needs someone in his life with basic common sense.

https://www.chron.com/sports/texans/article/Deshaun-Watson-Quincy-Avery-Texan-receiver-Walmart-16953245.php
What's the point of this?

I don't recall ANYONE calling Watson's on-the-field ability, talent or accomplishments into question. I don't recall ANYONE decrying his football IQ or dedication to learning / studying the game or his efforts to improve.

More and more, the mindset of the Watson camp seems to be "we're the victims here." You would think that someone facing the sort of off-the-field scrutiny he is would be hoping for some measure of grace to be given him. And yet, he has none to give to the franchise that is still paying him to not play. The lack of humility is pretty striking, IMO.
this is the underlying "black qb getting no respect" crap they are gunna throw around now. He thinks that is why he hasn't been traded yet. Dumb mother ******
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I think Avery thought he was being helpful in stirring up interest for teams to want to trade for Deshaun. Unfortunately, trashing your teammates isn't a good look.

Deshaun went "berserk" with "Walmart" receivers and got 4 wins.

3rd RD rookie QB Mills probably had worse receivers and go... 4 wins.

GTFOH.
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Why even ask at this point. Nothing to see here until legal matters start to get resolved
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They need to start asking real questions like

#1 What's it like being the biggest joke organization in the NFL?

#2 Are you going to vet your first-round pick this year extra so you don't get another DeShaun Watson on your hands?

#3 How does it feel having a $35 million black hole in your payroll?

#4 What previous trade seems more stupid to you right now, Laramie Tunsil or DeAndre Hopkins?

#5 it's a Sunday afternoon in Houston and the Astros are in the thick of the pennant race. Can you think of any reason whatsoever that a fan would voluntarily watch or attend a Texans game instead?



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Miami gm confirms door is shut on dw4 trade
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Yeah...That's not how the media works.
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Feel better?
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Texan_Aggie said:

Feel better?
About what?
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Ags #1 said:

Miami gm confirms door is shut on dw4 trade
Watson is the greatest quarterback of all-time...that nobody wants.

if he won't go to Carolina...is there a mystery team involved?

maybe the Saints
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W said:

Ags #1 said:

Miami gm confirms door is shut on dw4 trade
Watson is the greatest quarterback of all-time...that nobody wants.

if he won't go to Carolina...is there a mystery team involved?

maybe the Saints
Not even close!

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The Saints are habitually in salary cap hell....I doubt they can take on his contract without major changes
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that's true. Maybe the Broncos are interested
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When are the tickets released?
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EastTX_Ag said:

When are the tickets released?
I think they're just dumping them all out of a helicopter over downtown Houston and it's grab them if you want them .Sort of like when they dropped the turkeys on WKRP in Cincinnati.
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The more time goes on, it appears the Texans may have lucked into their culture change with hiring Lovie. His interview on McAfee's show was really insightful and seems like he could really get the team on a positive trajectory.

He may be an average coach with a limited ceiling, but he seems to command respect and the room. He also has enough balls to address the Deshaun questions instead of Culley's "No Comment" answers.
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Texan_Aggie said:

The more time goes on, it appears the Texans may have lucked into their culture change with hiring Lovie. His interview on McAfee's show was really insightful and seems like he could really get the team on a positive trajectory.

He may be an average coach with a limited ceiling, but he seems to command respect and the room. He also has enough balls to address the Deshaun questions instead of Culley's "No Comment" answers.
This. I don't know that Lovie will ever win a Super Bowl, but he is a competent, stable and professional head coach. He seems to be a good fit for a team that is rebuilding and needs a little bit of normalcy. Worst case scenario, you'll be replacing him a few years down the road with a team that is much better than the one he inherited.
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I don't really think that's lucking into a culture change. I'm sure it's a big part of why he was hired.
 
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