If true, why is Caserio here? I thought he was well thought of by the league?Quote:
I think it's just as likely that Easterby wants McCown and Casserio wants (insert at least semi-competent head coach name here) and Cal is forced to make a "Sophie's Choice" between the two of them.
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The team took a turn for the worse when their first ever draft pick blew out his back and never played a damn down for organization.
AkronZacJackson said:
I'm wrong on the John Carroll part. Cleveland connection. I'm old, forgive me.
Source: Houston Texans working to set up second head coaching interview with Cleveland native and Eagles DC Jonathan Gannon. Texans GM Nick Caserio and Gannon are both John Carroll University alums.
— Zac Jackson (@AkronJackson) January 22, 2022
Eagles defensive coordinator Jonathan Gannon has made extremely strong impression on the Texans with league sources saying Gannon 'knocked it out of the park' in interviews with them, Broncos and Vikings. Very well-prepared, per sources. Regarded as very strong contender
— Aaron Wilson (@AaronWilson_NFL) January 22, 2022
Texans don't need a defensive-minded HC. Need an offensive minded HC IMHO.
I know a lot about a little, and a little about a lot.
Gannon went to Louisville, not John Carroll per his bio.
Edit: I see your quote now. Nvm.
Edit: I see your quote now. Nvm.
zooguy96 said:
Texans don't need a defensive-minded HC. Need an offensive minded HC IMHO.
I don't think it matters. Get a strong leader regardless of their background. I don't know if that's Gannon or not though.
who cares if it's offensive or defensive we just need a good coach & leader of men not another puppet.zooguy96 said:
Texans don't need a defensive-minded HC. Need an offensive minded HC IMHO.
I had no idea that Pep had a son that's a freshman in high school that we've offered as a QB
he's at pearland I'm pretty suremAgnoliAg said:
I had no idea that Pep had a son that's a freshman in high school that we've offered as a QB
Yes Jackson is a Freshman at Pearland.
Cincinnati should trade for Tunsil.
What a weekend of football. Then realizing the texans will never even come close to looking like any of these teams. If we want to win a sb we will have to beat burrow or herbert or mahomes or allen
Ags #1 said:
What a weekend of football. Then realizing the texans will never even come close to looking like any of these teams. If we want to win a sb we will have to beat burrow or herbert or mahomes or allen
Well, by the time the Texans are in a position to realistically compete for a super bowl most or all of those individuals will likely be retired.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill
Look, I get that it's easy to hate on the Texans right now and I do it a lot, too. But cut it with the woe is me bull*****pagerman @ work said:Ags #1 said:
What a weekend of football. Then realizing the texans will never even come close to looking like any of these teams. If we want to win a sb we will have to beat burrow or herbert or mahomes or allen
Well, by the time the Texans are in a position to realistically compete for a super bowl most or all of those individuals will likely be retired.
Just looking at Burrow and the Bengals. The Bengals went to the playoffs 6 of 7 years from 2009 to 2015. Lost in the first round every time (twice to the Texans). Their records since then? Awful.
6-9-1
7-9
6-10
2-14 (drafted burrow)
4-11-1 (last ****ing year)
10-7
It's not like the Bengals had this solid roster sitting around waiting for a QB. They were awful. It turns around quickly. Herbert's team has been 7-9 and 9-8 in his two seasons, not making the playoffs either year. Mahomes is great and the chiefs are great, but still beatable. Bills have been dynamic the last two seasons, but hell, they were perennially .500 and missed the playoffs in Allen's first year. Hell they lost to us in the playoffs in his second year. (In 2019, really not that long ago)
Rosters turn around quickly in the league. I don't follow the Texans nearly as closely anymore, but what's the point in being a fan if this is where your head goes watching some really great football this weekend?
Buck Compton said:Look, I get that it's easy to hate on the Texans right now and I do it a lot, too. But cut it with the woe is me bull*****pagerman @ work said:Ags #1 said:
What a weekend of football. Then realizing the texans will never even come close to looking like any of these teams. If we want to win a sb we will have to beat burrow or herbert or mahomes or allen
Well, by the time the Texans are in a position to realistically compete for a super bowl most or all of those individuals will likely be retired.
Just looking at Burrow and the Bengals. The Bengals went to the playoffs 6 of 7 years from 2009 to 2015. Lost in the first round every time (twice to the Texans). Their records since then? Awful.
6-9-1
7-9
6-10
2-14 (drafted burrow)
4-11-1 (last ****ing year)
10-7
It's not like the Bengals had this solid roster sitting around waiting for a QB. They were awful. It turns around quickly. Herbert's team has been 7-9 and 9-8 in his two seasons, not making the playoffs either year. Mahomes is great and the chiefs are great, but still beatable. Bills have been dynamic the last two seasons, but hell, they were perennially .500 and missed the playoffs in Allen's first year. Hell they lost to us in the playoffs in his second year. (In 2019, really not that long ago)
Rosters turn around quickly in the league. I don't follow the Texans nearly as closely anymore, but what's the point in being a fan if this is where your head goes watching some really great football this weekend?
The Bengals didn't have Osteen light making key decisions.
What a tremendous weekend of football. I can't remember a weekend of such good games, including maybe the craziest game I've ever seen. As opposed to feeling sorry for myself as a Texans fan honestly it kind of made me a touch optimistic, however misguided. None of the teams we saw this weekend got there the same way. There are very different rosters, play styles, and coaches. But the games certainly stress how important coaching is and how important quarterback play is. There were teams that were able to overcome crazy statistics to somehow win and lose games. Joe Burrow was sacked 9 times, yet the Bengals won. Josh Allen threw for over 300 yards, 4 touchdowns, no picks and lost. Jimmy G threw for 131 yards, no touchdowns, and a pick and won on the road in GB. The Rams lost 4 turnovers against Tom Brady and still won.
I honestly don't care at this point if we go forward with Mills or Watson at qb, but they've gotta make a good hire at head coach to turn the ship. There's still a long way to go, but the statement about roster turnover is correct, this team can look drastically different in a short period of time, and with the right coach that can pay quick dividends. The best option would be to sell off anyone of significant value for picks. If the right opportunity arises for a Watson or Tunsil trade, they should do it.
I honestly don't care at this point if we go forward with Mills or Watson at qb, but they've gotta make a good hire at head coach to turn the ship. There's still a long way to go, but the statement about roster turnover is correct, this team can look drastically different in a short period of time, and with the right coach that can pay quick dividends. The best option would be to sell off anyone of significant value for picks. If the right opportunity arises for a Watson or Tunsil trade, they should do it.
Ags #1 said:
What a weekend of football. Then realizing the texans will never even come close to looking like any of these teams. If we want to win a sb we will have to beat burrow or herbert or mahomes or allen
Funny thing is, we beat that Bills team in the wildcard round a few years back and I left the stadium ticked because the game was close. Didn't think they were in our league.
Simpler times.
It's a treat having the Texans not being in the playoffs and just enjoying the hell out of football without the emotional baggage. Particularly when the Rams tried to choke yesterday I had some major league Oiler/Texan playoff flashbacks.
Buck Compton said:Look, I get that it's easy to hate on the Texans right now and I do it a lot, too. But cut it with the woe is me bull*****pagerman @ work said:Ags #1 said:
What a weekend of football. Then realizing the texans will never even come close to looking like any of these teams. If we want to win a sb we will have to beat burrow or herbert or mahomes or allen
Well, by the time the Texans are in a position to realistically compete for a super bowl most or all of those individuals will likely be retired.
Just looking at Burrow and the Bengals. The Bengals went to the playoffs 6 of 7 years from 2009 to 2015. Lost in the first round every time (twice to the Texans). Their records since then? Awful.
6-9-1
7-9
6-10
2-14 (drafted burrow)
4-11-1 (last ****ing year)
10-7
It's not like the Bengals had this solid roster sitting around waiting for a QB. They were awful. It turns around quickly. Herbert's team has been 7-9 and 9-8 in his two seasons, not making the playoffs either year. Mahomes is great and the chiefs are great, but still beatable. Bills have been dynamic the last two seasons, but hell, they were perennially .500 and missed the playoffs in Allen's first year. Hell they lost to us in the playoffs in his second year. (In 2019, really not that long ago)
Rosters turn around quickly in the league. I don't follow the Texans nearly as closely anymore, but what's the point in being a fan if this is where your head goes watching some really great football this weekend?
That is not "woe is me" by any stretch. It is a simple acknowledgment of the facts on the ground with the Texans as an organization.
The Texans have a generational player at the QB position right now. But even before his legal problems blew up, the current Texans ownership and management had screwed that up to the point of him demanding a trade mere months after making him the 2nd highest paid player in the history of the sport. That has got to be a land speed record for 0 to "**** you".
You are assuming that 1. the Texans management from ownership down puts a priority on winning at a high level (i.e. serious contention for making Super Bowls) as an actual priority) and 2. that even if that were the case they are sufficiently competent to do so.
I do not believe that either one of those assumptions are correct. Do I think that the organization would like to "win"? Sure. I think that this organization's real goal is to win 9 or more games and make the playoffs. Anything beyond that is gravy, but not something they really care about. If it happens, terrific, but not something they really care about, or at least care about more than they care about other things, like money, and the spiritual/religious orientation of the players/organization (meaning they are perfectly fine with having a slightly above average team that makes the playoffs with the "right" kind of players but never seriously makes an attempt to get to much less win a super bowl). There is absolutely zero in the collective actions of the team to indicate otherwise.
Additionally, this organization is run by someone that is either disinterested in, or intellectually incapable of doing the things required to care more than "just make the playoffs, baby". The continued existence on the payroll of Jack Easterby and his obvious power and influence inside the organization beyond his stated role on the operations side (the guy that orders the team charter is somehow having a say in who the organization interviews and potentially hires for head coach) is evidence if not proof of this. An organization that was serious about winning at the highest level would not have a conniving, corrosive "team preacher" in its upper management, let alone as the primary consultant to the owner. And that description of Easterby is being kind.
It's natural for fans to think that the team (meaning management & ownership) wants to win in the same way the fans do, and for individual people that may well be the case. But the simple truth based on the actions taken by the team (as opposed to than the public statements meant to placate the fan base) is that management/ownership's priorities are not the same as the fans'. The Texans might accidentally get better than one and done trips to the playoffs but it will not be because of a singular organizational dedication to winning. And thinking about how this team operates in any other way is a recipe for cognitive dissonance.
And I'm a fan of the team to the extent that they are the team in my town. I would love for them to be run by competent ownership and management. I would love for the professional football team in my town to be more interested in winning football than spreading the Gospel. But neither is the case. So we are left with either continually hoping against hope that the Texans won't invent new ways of beclowning themselves or acknowledging reality. I care, but I also know they are a train wreck.
Under current ownership and management you are basically left with hoping for a one-time lottery winning type season. My heart can hope for that but my brain knows what those odds are, and we are way past "fool me twice" territory here.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy. It's inherent virtue is the equal sharing of miseries." - Winston Churchill
that Bills-Texans playoff game 2 years ago...was two ships passing in the night.JCA1 said:Ags #1 said:
What a weekend of football. Then realizing the texans will never even come close to looking like any of these teams. If we want to win a sb we will have to beat burrow or herbert or mahomes or allen
Funny thing is, we beat that Bills team in the wildcard round a few years back and I left the stadium ticked because the game was close. Didn't think they were in our league.
Simpler times.
and the Texans' ship would run aground
the shame once again for the Texans...
the franchise has a top 3 pick, but there is not a great QB prospect (like Burrow) or a great WR prospect (Chase) in this year's draft.
probably go d-line again
the franchise has a top 3 pick, but there is not a great QB prospect (like Burrow) or a great WR prospect (Chase) in this year's draft.
probably go d-line again
and looking closer at Cincinnati...
reveals the formula in today's game for turning around a franchise ---> QB & WR
the Bengals do not have any pro-bowlers on defense
reveals the formula in today's game for turning around a franchise ---> QB & WR
the Bengals do not have any pro-bowlers on defense
Yep. Little did we know at the time that the Axis of Evil (Cal, Easterby, and Air Humper) were just getting started.W said:that Bills-Texans playoff game 2 years ago...was two ships passing in the night.JCA1 said:Ags #1 said:
What a weekend of football. Then realizing the texans will never even come close to looking like any of these teams. If we want to win a sb we will have to beat burrow or herbert or mahomes or allen
Funny thing is, we beat that Bills team in the wildcard round a few years back and I left the stadium ticked because the game was close. Didn't think they were in our league.
Simpler times.
and the Texans' ship would run aground
It sure looks to me as if Nick Caserio is a complete micromanager who wants to be the de facto head coach. It seems as if he wants to hire a young guy who is grateful to have the gig and doesn't mind having a GM who is on the practice field running QB drills and on the headset telling him what to do. As a head coach, I would want nothing to do with a GM like that. I'm all for advice and input, and if you want to sit down every week and evaluate the previous game, I'll listen. But, I think you're going to have a hard time finding a HC worth a damn who will put up with Caserio.
I've been impressed, more or less, with what Caserio has done from a player personnel perspective. He walked into about the worst situation you could find, but he drafted well, got rid of some dead weight and bad contracts and signed a bunch of competitive, low risk contracts with guys fighting to stay in the league. But the Culley hire was awful, and I don't know that this next one will be any better.
I've been impressed, more or less, with what Caserio has done from a player personnel perspective. He walked into about the worst situation you could find, but he drafted well, got rid of some dead weight and bad contracts and signed a bunch of competitive, low risk contracts with guys fighting to stay in the league. But the Culley hire was awful, and I don't know that this next one will be any better.
I agree with most of this this, except that Culley was a bad hire. He was a yes man who was willing to take the job and not rock the boat. The team performed better than expected, avoided really embarrassing situations, and even pulled off a couple big upsets. Mills seemed to progress a lot through the year. What else was he supposed to do?
They were embarrassing off the field.
Multiple player/coach confrontations, healthy scratches, players basically quiting, awful press conferences, awful game management, etc.
The on field performance is what it is and the expectations were low but in everything listed above Culley was expected to handle with ease. He couldn't.
Multiple player/coach confrontations, healthy scratches, players basically quiting, awful press conferences, awful game management, etc.
The on field performance is what it is and the expectations were low but in everything listed above Culley was expected to handle with ease. He couldn't.
Got hire sean payton
Ags #1 said:
Got hire sean payton
Hes not dumb enough to come here
Im looking for Ray Finkle.... and a clean pair of shorts. Im just a very big Finkle fan. This is my Graceland, sir.
MAGA
MAGA
I don't think anyone could be expected to handle the mess of the Texans 'with ease,' especially someone who was only hired as a one or two year stop gap. He did his job.Ag_07 said:
They were embarrassing off the field.
Multiple player/coach confrontations, healthy scratches, players basically quiting, awful press conferences, awful game management, etc.
The on field performance is what it is and the expectations were low but in everything listed above Culley was expected to handle with ease. He couldn't.
and speaking of awful press conferences...
the new coach is going to be faced with those as long as the Watson situation is ongoing.
that's where Culley first started having problems...fumbling over the Watson questions
the new coach is going to be faced with those as long as the Watson situation is ongoing.
that's where Culley first started having problems...fumbling over the Watson questions
I feel like a coach with decent media skills wouldn't have awful press conferences. Culley didn't know how to tactfully answer, so reporters dug in to get more info. Hopefully the new coach will learn to leave it a "No Comment" and then the reporters can move on. They smelled blood in the water with Culley and tried their best to trick him.
So now with the Saints job being open, Houston drops another spot on the desirability rankings.
Chicago - has a young QB, good defensive personnel, plays in a division that is potentially wide open if Rodgers departs.
Denver - has no real QB, the best organization on the list, but plays in arguably the toughest division in the NFL these days.
Houston - very odd QB situation to say the least, lots weirdness behind the scenes, uncaring ownership. Plays in a mediocre division.
Jacksonville - has a young QB...that's all I've got
Las Vegas - has a QB, made the playoffs through a lot of adversity
Miami - has a QB the GM wants to stick with, fired their HC specifically because he didn't support going forward with that QB, plays in a division with Buffalo and New England
Minnesota - Cousins under contract but they might trade or cut bait, then they've got Mond, same division as Chicago so could be wide open if Rodgers moves on
New Orleans - has Winston and Hill, a lot of great talent but not a QB room that is anything to write home about. Could be wide open division if Brady retires
New York Giants - unlikely they stick with Jones, their marquee player is an oft-injured running back, plays in a division with 3 teams that are all markedly better than they are. Dallas and Philly made the playoffs, Washington could be dangerous if they find a QB this offseason.
I don't know enough about each team to break them down 1-9 but I figure there's 3 tiers of where the candidates would likely see the current opportunities.
1 - Denver, Las Vegas, New Orleans
2 - Chicago, Miami, Minnesota
3 - Houston, Jacksonville, Giants
Chicago - has a young QB, good defensive personnel, plays in a division that is potentially wide open if Rodgers departs.
Denver - has no real QB, the best organization on the list, but plays in arguably the toughest division in the NFL these days.
Houston - very odd QB situation to say the least, lots weirdness behind the scenes, uncaring ownership. Plays in a mediocre division.
Jacksonville - has a young QB...that's all I've got
Las Vegas - has a QB, made the playoffs through a lot of adversity
Miami - has a QB the GM wants to stick with, fired their HC specifically because he didn't support going forward with that QB, plays in a division with Buffalo and New England
Minnesota - Cousins under contract but they might trade or cut bait, then they've got Mond, same division as Chicago so could be wide open if Rodgers moves on
New Orleans - has Winston and Hill, a lot of great talent but not a QB room that is anything to write home about. Could be wide open division if Brady retires
New York Giants - unlikely they stick with Jones, their marquee player is an oft-injured running back, plays in a division with 3 teams that are all markedly better than they are. Dallas and Philly made the playoffs, Washington could be dangerous if they find a QB this offseason.
I don't know enough about each team to break them down 1-9 but I figure there's 3 tiers of where the candidates would likely see the current opportunities.
1 - Denver, Las Vegas, New Orleans
2 - Chicago, Miami, Minnesota
3 - Houston, Jacksonville, Giants
Unless Denver somehow gets a franchise QB, I'd drop them to tier two and move up Minnesota. Cousins won't win you a Super Bowl, but he's good enough to get you to the playoffs.Max Power said:
So now with the Saints job being open, Houston drops another spot on the desirability rankings.
Chicago - has a young QB, good defensive personnel, plays in a division that is potentially wide open if Rodgers departs.
Denver - has no real QB, the best organization on the list, but plays in arguably the toughest division in the NFL these days.
Houston - very odd QB situation to say the least, lots weirdness behind the scenes, uncaring ownership. Plays in a mediocre division.
Jacksonville - has a young QB...that's all I've got
Las Vegas - has a QB, made the playoffs through a lot of adversity
Miami - has a QB the GM wants to stick with, fired their HC specifically because he didn't support going forward with that QB, plays in a division with Buffalo and New England
Minnesota - Cousins under contract but they might trade or cut bait, then they've got Mond, same division as Chicago so could be wide open if Rodgers moves on
New Orleans - has Winston and Hill, a lot of great talent but not a QB room that is anything to write home about. Could be wide open division if Brady retires
New York Giants - unlikely they stick with Jones, their marquee player is an oft-injured running back, plays in a division with 3 teams that are all markedly better than they are. Dallas and Philly made the playoffs, Washington could be dangerous if they find a QB this offseason.
I don't know enough about each team to break them down 1-9 but I figure there's 3 tiers of where the candidates would likely see the current opportunities.
1 - Denver, Las Vegas, New Orleans
2 - Chicago, Miami, Minnesota
3 - Houston, Jacksonville, Giants
I would agree. Unless there is a lot of roster churning, Minnesota has a lot of talent and is a team ready to win. Zimmer just got to be too much of a curmudgeon.
John Mara: “We’re not trading for Deshaun Watson.” #Giants
— Pat Leonard (@PLeonardNYDN) January 26, 2022
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