Her hair all burned off but she was unhurt. I think it has more to do with being "the dragon" than being a Targ.
quote:I don't disagree with either your point or the previous point. In fact, I agree in this regard: her downfall will be as a result of her failure to see the big picture.quote:quote:Agree. Part of the Cersei's story is how she mishandles everything.
Did anyone else find Cersei's motivation for reestablishing the Faith Militant as unconvincing? They had just finished discussing the crippling debt that the realm is under, then it looks like she just flippantly arms the radicals out of boredom and to spite Margaery. These are the variances from the book that annoy me, when they set themselves up where it makes sense to follow the books, then they do something that makes even less sense without really helping to condense the story.
Cersei is good at executing "the next move". She always fails to see "the big picture" which is why her moves consistently fail. As mentioned above, she thinks she understands this "simple man of faith" and can control him, pointing him in the direction of her enemies. She hasn't thought through the fact that her own sins could come back to bite her.
quote:The TV show version of events, it seemed to me like she was forcing the army on the High Sparrow. He didn't seem to want it, and she didn't really get anything in return. As I remember it from the book, the High Sparrow requests the Faith Militant in exchange for gold the crown needs. I felt like the books story was done better. Obviously it's all going to backfire on her in basically the same way, but it made much more sense to me in the book than it did in the show. The scene came right after the small council meeting, so the show could have easily just had Cercei ask for money and the High Sparrow ask for his force in exchange. I don't understand the change, and I think it would have made more sense.quote:
They had just finished discussing the crippling debt that the realm is under, then it looks like she just flippantly arms the radicals out of boredom and to spite Margaery.
She did it because she thinks she is creating a powerful ally with a personal army that she can manipulate into eliminating any opposition. This due to the fact that she had essentially become powerless. Now, in her mind, she has an ally that doesn't even answer to the king.
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He is going to die, literally be 100% stone cold dead after the stabbing incident at Castle Black; when they burn him for his funeral he comes back changed.
quote:You are probably thinking of when she put her dragon eggs in the fire and reached in to pull them out and her hand maiden was burned but Dany was not.
Sorry, I didn't mean hurt during the dragons being born bit, I meant some time after I thought she had put her hand in a candle or fire or something and getting burnt. Like I said thought I'm not 100% certain.
quote:I never said the books were perfect, though I do prefer them to the show. My point is that the show is getting farther away from the books to the point now where it is really becoming a different story even if it does have the same ending. I also think the show has a lot more sloppiness now but that is hard to avoid. Martin can simply write an extra paragraph or page to connect the dots in the books but that is much harder in the show.
There are lots of sloppy story lines in the books as well.
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Would make some sense, I think the show has kept the super magic on the down low as to not runoff the non-fantasy fan.
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The "You know nothing Jon Snow" line was awesome but I'm still trying to figure out where they are going with all that.
quote:They are not immune to Fire. GRRM confirmed this 15 years ago.
Fire can't hurt SOME Trags, it'll kill others. But yes, Reagar, Viscerys, and Dany are all 100% Targs born of incest I believe or close to it.
quote:http://web.archive.org/web/20001005212114/eventhorizon.com/sfzine/chats/transcripts/031899.html
Granny - Do Targaryens become immune to fire once they "bond" to their dragons?
George_RR_Martin - Granny, thanks for asking that. It gives me a chance to clear up a common misconception. TARGARYENS ARE NOT IMMUNE TO FIRE! The birth of Dany's dragons was unique, magical, wonderous, a miracle. She is called The Unburnt because she walked into the flames and lived. But her brother sure as hell wasn't immune to that molten gold.
Revanshe - So she won't be able to do it again?
George_RR_Martin - Probably not.
quote:Ygritte was a Red-Head afterallquote:
The "You know nothing Jon Snow" line was awesome but I'm still trying to figure out where they are going with all that.
Maybe she had followed their love story in her flames...or maybe her black magic allowed her to warg into Ygrette to sway Jon Snow into betraying his vows not to know women... Wouldn't put anything past crazy storylines.
quote:SPOILER:quote:They are not immune to Fire. GRRM confirmed this 15 years ago.
Fire can't hurt SOME Trags, it'll kill others. But yes, Reagar, Viscerys, and Dany are all 100% Targs born of incest I believe or close to it.
quote:http://web.archive.org/web/20001005212114/eventhorizon.com/sfzine/chats/transcripts/031899.html
Granny - Do Targaryens become immune to fire once they "bond" to their dragons?
George_RR_Martin - Granny, thanks for asking that. It gives me a chance to clear up a common misconception. TARGARYENS ARE NOT IMMUNE TO FIRE! The birth of Dany's dragons was unique, magical, wonderous, a miracle. She is called The Unburnt because she walked into the flames and lived. But her brother sure as hell wasn't immune to that molten gold.
Revanshe - So she won't be able to do it again?
George_RR_Martin - Probably not.
quote:Or what redline wrote
Well, then he went and wrote a chapter in which she walks right up to Drogon, fire and all, and comes away unburnt again. So, it's a safe bet Dany, at least, is immune to fire.
quote:Danerys is NOT "full Targ" in the sense that some seem to be using the term.
Her hair all burned off but she was unhurt. I think it has more to do with being "the dragon" than being a Targ.
quote:She certainly seemed to get a rise out of him last Sunday.
If Jon is AA, does he even need Melisandre to help him rise?
quote:quote:She certainly seemed to get a rise out of him last Sunday.
If Jon is AA, does he even need Melisandre to help him rise?
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(Daenerys watches Drogo killing Viserys by pouring molten gold on his head. Daenerys does not shed a single tear for her brother)
Daenerys Targaryen: He was no dragon. Fire cannot kill a dragon.
quote:I'm not seeing Stannis deciding to sacrifice his daughter after hugging it out with her.
Lots to like in this episode
R+L= J references
Melisandre seducing
Sansa looking good
Dany looking good on balcony, but not having to deal with her for several scenes
Definitely some kind of setup for a Shireen sacrifice
quote:quote:I'm not seeing Stannis deciding to sacrifice his daughter after hugging it out with her.
Lots to like in this episode
R+L= J references
Melisandre seducing
Sansa looking good
Dany looking good on balcony, but not having to deal with her for several scenes
Definitely some kind of setup for a Shireen sacrifice
quote:That has been a major part of the theories with him going South and tearing **** up. His death at the hands of his brothers releases him from his vow. I figure at his funeral they'll say "And now his watch has ended" then he wakes.
I just thought of this, but since we all are assuming Jon is going to die and be brought back to life, wouldn't that release him from his vow to the Night's Watch? He could then theoretically leave and become a major player with a bunch of wildlings sympathetic to his cause.
quote:quote:That has been a major part of the theories with him going South and tearing **** up. His death at the hands of his brothers releases him from his vow. I figure at his funeral they'll say "And now his watch has ended" then he wakes.
I just thought of this, but since we all are assuming Jon is going to die and be brought back to life, wouldn't that release him from his vow to the Night's Watch? He could then theoretically leave and become a major player with a bunch of wildlings sympathetic to his cause.