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Ollie is for sure going to stab Jon.

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Yeah. I think when Sam said that sometimes you have to do something everyone else thinks is wrong but you know is right, he made up his mind on killing Jon.

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Same here. People are going to lose their minds when the man who just survived a battle with the dead and killed an Other gets taken down by Ollie.

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Anyone got any theories/ideas as to what exactly happened when the White Walker struck Jon Snow in the chest (looks like it may have been his heart) and he started coughing blood?

At first I thought it was just a wound like any other but the cameras seemed to focus specifically on it in the same manner when Bronn was sliced by the Sand Snake's poison dagger.

So I guess what Im asking is, will there be and lingering effects from that blow? Did he somehow 'taint' Jon Snow in some way?

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Anyone got any theories/ideas as to what exactly happened when the White Walker struck Jon Snow in the chest (looks like it may have been his heart) and he started coughing blood?

At first I thought it was just a wound like any other but the cameras seemed to focus specifically on it in the same manner when Bronn was sliced by the Sand Snake's poison dagger.

So I guess what Im asking is, will there be and lingering effects from that blow? Did he somehow 'taint' Jon Snow in some way?

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I think they need to end the season with Jon's resurrection. With the amount of media coverage of this show, there will be no surprise re: whether he survives. It will be evident during filming, and that information will leak out.

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I think they need to end the season with Jon's resurrection. With the amount of media coverage of this show, there will be no surprise re: whether he survives. It will be evident during filming, and that information will leak out.

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The purpose of Valyrian steel weapons -- their raison d'etre -- is to kill The Others. But until the Battle of Hardhome, no one had fought an Other with one for thousands of years. Their true purpose had been lost in dimly remembered and unbelieved legend.

Makes perfect sense to me.

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Please explain it to me. No one has even seen one the The Others for 8000 years, and the civilization that created Valyrian steel did not exist until 3000 years after the defeat of The Others. How can Valyrian steel have been created to combat The Others?

The Others were defeated by the First Men (a Bronze Age culture) with the aid of the Children (a Stone Age culture, from a weapons perspective).

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I think they need to end the season with Jon's resurrection. With the amount of media coverage of this show, there will be no surprise re: whether he survives. It will be evident during filming, and that information will leak out.

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What if he wins, gets his hands on Dany and gives her greyscale? That'd be great, too, for some good schadenfreude.

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I could see Jorah playing the part of Prince Quentyn Martell and dies trying to "tame" Drogon to impress her. It would be a good mending of story lines.

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A Jon resurrection in the finale would also be a nice parallel to the season 1 finale.

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The evidence is rather obvious, is it not? The Others were driven back, but not defeated. No one knows for sure what the Valyrians knew about the Others, yet their legendary mystical weapons destroy them. Valyrian history has been left vague in the shows, and not much better defined in the novels. I'm more than willing to cut D&D some slack on this point. It makes for a better, richer story.

If you'd like a real historical parallel, consider the history of the samurai sword. The origins of the metal folding technique perfected by Japanese swordsmiths in the 1600's are somewhat murky as well, and predate the samurai era by many years. But Japanese craftsmen get most of the credit.

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I would have expected The Others to be aware of Valyrian steel, if it had been used against them in the past.

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Best episode of the season, maybe the series. Great acting all around. No sand snakes. Giants stomping on undead. Great fight scenes. The Mereen plot is livened up by Tyrion. Arya's plot finally has some interesting movement.

Biggest question I want answered right now though is what is Ramsey going to do with 20 men? Big book deviation, but how can they link up plot points? Maybe forgo the battle of winterfell altogether with a covert ops mission. Ramsey kills Stannis. Mel burns Shireen to resurrect AA, but Jon comes back instead. While Ramsey is away, Theon/Sansa/Brienne? flee winterfell. That would wrap up the winterfell plot line for the season.

Other big plot resolutions for the last two episodes:
-Cersei trial/confession
-Walk of Shame
-For the Watch
-Meryn Trant gets proper Arya-ed
-Insurance salesman gets proper Arya-ed
-Dany opens amusement park of gladiators. Rides Drogon ride.
-Jaime/Bronn in Dorne
-Loras/Margery in the pen (maybe)
-Littlefinger?
-LSH?
-Brienne?

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Plus, The Other that Jon killed seemed genuinely surprised that Longclaw did not shatter. I would have expected The Others to be aware of Valyrian steel, if it had been used against them in the past.

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it wasn't the finale....Ned died in episode 9. but i get your point.

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The purpose of Valyrian steel weapons -- their raison d'etre -- is to kill The Others. But until the Battle of Hardhome, no one had fought an Other with one for thousands of years. Their true purpose had been lost in dimly remembered and unbelieved legend.

Makes perfect sense to me.

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Please explain it to me. No one has even seen one the The Others for 8000 years, and the civilization that created Valyrian steel did not exist until 3000 years after the defeat of The Others. How can Valyrian steel have been created to combat The Others?

The Others were defeated by the First Men (a Bronze Age culture) with the aid of the Children (a Stone Age culture, from a weapons perspective).

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Will it be possible to downshift back into minutiae now that we know what's coming and coming fast? All the questions that have bedeviled us for years suddenly seem downright trite. Who controls the North? Will Tommen leave his chambers? Dorne: Why? Does anyone honestly care? Even Arya's deep dive into raw bar management feels extraneous now. And yet there's no way Thrones can allow the existential tumult of "Hardhome" to trickle down into every one of its myriad plots, at least not yet. There are too many hours to fill, too many scuffles in Meereen to adjudicate. But not even Mrs. Lincoln was forced to sit through the rest of the play.

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I could really see Jon Snow not being stabbed on the show now after that.

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Man that was an amazing end scene that would have been great in a movie, but it happened on TV!
Harhome was so much worse in the show than in the books, how could anyone betray Jon Snow after he was proven right that amazingly at Hardhome. He even had a lot of third party witnesses. I could really see Jon Snow not being stabbed on the show now after that.

Also, if you are a show only watcher, how do you go back to caring about the rest of the plots after last night? Grantland said it better than I can:

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Will it be possible to downshift back into minutiae now that we know what's coming and coming fast? All the questions that have bedeviled us for years suddenly seem downright trite. Who controls the North? Will Tommen leave his chambers? Dorne: Why? Does anyone honestly care? Even Arya's deep dive into raw bar management feels extraneous now. And yet there's no way Thrones can allow the existential tumult of "Hardhome" to trickle down into every one of its myriad plots, at least not yet. There are too many hours to fill, too many scuffles in Meereen to adjudicate. But not even Mrs. Lincoln was forced to sit through the rest of the play.

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http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/game-of-thrones-season-5-episode-8-recap-hardhome/

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