Jon isn't anyone's little brother.
Vary's woulda been his half uncle.
Vary's woulda been his half uncle.
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You sure about that?
quote:seems like he may be a ltittle half brother to Rhaenys and Aegon - on the r+l=j theory
Jon isn't anyone's little brother.
Vary's woulda been his half uncle.
Jon's a little half-brother, as is Ramsey. But unless Jon Snow is actually Baby Aegon (something that I've often thought would be interesting but can't be right because of the timelines) he's not anyone's full little brother, either as a Stark or a Targareon.
Really though, it has to be someone she recognizes as a Valonquar for the monkeypaw effect to work. I mean, Gold Cloak # 42 may be someones little brother but it won't add much to the story if he's the one who kills Cersei because he's tired of listening to her *****.
Really though, it has to be someone she recognizes as a Valonquar for the monkeypaw effect to work. I mean, Gold Cloak # 42 may be someones little brother but it won't add much to the story if he's the one who kills Cersei because he's tired of listening to her *****.
If the use of High Valyrian signifies that it will be a Targ, does that give more weight to the Tyrion is a Targ theory? I know there is also a Cersei/Jamie are Targs theory, but the Tyrion one has always had more steam behind it.
quote:well yes it has to make soem sense and not just be out of left field....
Jon's a little half-brother, as is Ramsey. But unless Jon Snow is actually Baby Aegon (something that I've often thought would be interesting but can't be right because of the timelines) he's not anyone's full little brother, either as a Stark or a Targareon.
Really though, it has to be someone she recognizes as a Valonquar for the monkeypaw effect to work. I mean, Gold Cloak # 42 may be someones little brother but it won't add much to the story if he's the one who kills Cersei because he's tired of listening to her *****.
but book Cersei has always just assumed it meant Tyrion and there are other relevant possibilities....notably jamie....
I think it is Jamie, myself. Although it could very likely be Tyrion, I tend to think "it can't be Tyrion, that's way too obvious". But he really does hate her, and it would be just like Martin to come back full circle and have Cersei killed by the person she's been terrified of all along.
But I still think it will be Jamie.
But I still think it will be Jamie.
quote:Cersei makes lots of assumptions, many of which are erroneous.quote:
book Cersei has always just assumed it meant Tyrion and there are other relevant possibilities....notably jamie....
I know the prophecy implies Tommen will die before Cersei but I would love for him to be the one who kills her. She constantly says she does everything for her children while simply getting power drunk. The irony (poetic justice? I should have taken a lit class) of one of her children putting her down would be epic. Jaime is so disenchanted with Cersei it wouldn't be a surprise.
What if it is actually Arya that kills Cersei and the witch just mistook her for a boy like everybody else?
What if it is actually Arya that kills Cersei and the witch just mistook her for a boy like everybody else?
What about Kevan Lannister? With Tyrion in exile and Cersei, Jamie and all of their offspring dead, he would inherit Casterly Rock.
quote:I think this is a very good possibility. Maybe Arya takes the appearance of a boy to carry out the assassination.
What if it is actually Arya that kills Cersei and the witch just mistook her for a boy like everybody else?
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What about Kevan Lannister? With Tyrion in exile and Cersei, Jamie and all of their offspring dead, he would inherit Casterly Rock.
That would be good if they decide to ignore the epilogue of ADWD
quote:quote:I think this is a very good possibility. Maybe Arya takes the appearance of a boy to carry out the assassination.
What if it is actually Arya that kills Cersei and the witch just mistook her for a boy like everybody else?
That would make a lot of sense. With Tywin and Joffrey dead, what is the ultimate purpose of Arya becoming an assassin if not to kill Cersei? The only other thing I can think of is to end the Freys and Boltons
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What about Kevan Lannister? With Tyrion in exile and Cersei, Jamie and all of their offspring dead, he would inherit Casterly Rock.
That would be good if they decide to ignore the epilogue of ADWD
Oh...um....right.
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What about Kevan Lannister? With Tyrion in exile and Cersei, Jamie and all of their offspring dead, he would inherit Casterly Rock.
That would be good if they decide to ignore the epilogue of ADWD
Oh...um....right.
His death actually may not happen. Varys is half the world away from Kevan Lannister right now. Either Littlefinger kills him, Cersei has him killed, or he is around for a good while. I guess Varys may head back with Tyrion gone
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I am sure we are NOT seeing Varys right now for exactly this reason. I could see them "reintroducing" Kevan sometime around Cersei's walk of shame, only for Varys to appear and kill him. i think it is very much intentional not have seen Varys for this long. Should make for a great ep 9 or 10
Why would Varys kill Kevan?
quote:Same reason as in the books. Kevan and Granny T are working to unite the kingdom, and Varys wants Dany to takeover.
Why would Varys kill Kevan?
quote:quote:Same reason as in the books. Kevan and Granny T are working to unite the kingdom, and Varys wants Dany to takeover.
Why would Varys kill Kevan?
Exactly. He is a Targ loyalist. Kevan was doing a good job and would have undone the chaos Varys had spread to ready the people for Daeny to come in as a savior
I want to see Arya kill a Frey or 3 every episode next season
My guess is Jaime chokes her out with his golden hand
or on his dong...he still loves her
Could definitely see Kevan's quitting the council in a "Previously on Game of Thrones" lead-in, then when Cersei makes it back to the castle, he's there running the show as the most capable of Tommen's relatives to play the part of Regent. A couple of scenes of him orchestrating Cersei's return to Casterly Rock, and doing smart things to secure the city and let everyone know that the crown is still powerful, then back to his chambers and pow - Varys' crossbow and weird creepy little bird children that I don't understand are there to do whatever.
Pycelle gets killed in that scene too, right? Or am I mis-remembering?
As far as I can tell, show Littlefinger doesn't give a flying eff about ruling King's Landing, looks like he's much more intent on carving out his own kingdom in the north (Eyrie & Winterfell, etc.), although what the White Walkers might have to say about that is anyone's guess.
Pycelle gets killed in that scene too, right? Or am I mis-remembering?
As far as I can tell, show Littlefinger doesn't give a flying eff about ruling King's Landing, looks like he's much more intent on carving out his own kingdom in the north (Eyrie & Winterfell, etc.), although what the White Walkers might have to say about that is anyone's guess.
Yes, Pycelle is also dead.
quote:I guess it's possible, but he really orchestrated the chaos in season 1 to weaken 3 of the most powerful families. Baratheons and Starks are basically nobodies, now, and Lannisters are pretty well dried up...which LF knows. He already has Lordships over the Eyrie, Riverlands and is scheming for the north. You think he just is content after that? He has a pretty nice relationship with granny Tyrell, too. He could easily make a move on KL.
As far as I can tell, show Littlefinger doesn't give a flying eff about ruling King's Landing
Dorne is probably the one place he gives zero Fs about. At least, for now.
I suppose Tommen could be the Valonqar as well... He is Jeoffrey's little brother, but the prophecy days after she has cried tears for her children's deaths, right? Marcella is a goner as well...
quote:Are you a book reader or show-only? Jk. Probably a typo.
I suppose Tommen could be the Valonqar as well... He is Jeoffrey's little brother, but the prophecy days after she has cried tears for her children's deaths, right? Marcella is a goner as well...
quote:quote:Are you a book reader or show-only? Jk. Probably a typo.
I suppose Tommen could be the Valonqar as well... He is Jeoffrey's little brother, but the prophecy days after she has cried tears for her children's deaths, right? Marcella is a goner as well...
Is Marcella a character on Juego de Tronos?
I don't see Kevan being murdered at all this season, purely because they've only shown him once at this point, and there are way bigger climaxes to come. If it's really necessary to the show plot, it may not happen till next season. But with Varys in Volantis (though that would be a reasonable launching point to head back to Kings Landing) and no mention of Kevan since episode 1, I just don't see it coming up this year.
quote:It could definitely be an early-to-mid season death next year as he isn't really that important in the eyes of viewers. Him dying this season though could add to the deaths and/or large events that are hopefully coming in the last few episodes.
I don't see Kevan being murdered at all this season, purely because they've only shown him once at this point, and there are way bigger climaxes to come. If it's really necessary to the show plot, it may not happen till next season. But with Varys in Volantis (though that would be a reasonable launching point to head back to Kings Landing) and no mention of Kevan since episode 1, I just don't see it coming up this year.
The question is what is going to bring him back to kings landing at this point? I don't remember, was he in KL all along in the book?
quote:Edit: He was actually named Regent by the Small Council and accepted the position naming Mace Tyrell Hand.
The question is what is going to bring him back to kings landing at this point? I don't remember, was he in KL all along in the book?
I believe Tommen was "advised" to call him back and name him Hand after Cersei was arrested...or else he simply returned on his own when he heard of what was going on and realized they were threatened.
In the books he pisses off Cersei, and she promotes other Lannister relations to positions over him, and he leaves to take Tywin's body back to Casterly Rock, and pretty much refuses to help any of the other Lannister armies. He returns to King's Landing to clean up the mess and become regent when Cersei is imprisoned by the High Sparrow.
He becomes Tommen's regent and names Mace Tyrell as Hand of the King.
Ok, so I guess it's possible (likely) once Cersei is arrested in the show he comes back.
Btw, just another reason having Tommen be older was dumb. There is no freaking way a person of his age let's some religious zealots arrest his mom.
Btw, just another reason having Tommen be older was dumb. There is no freaking way a person of his age let's some religious zealots arrest his mom.
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