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In the show, Theon/Reek told Ramsey. In the book, Ramsey/Reek helped Theon do the deed (flayed and tarred rather than burned I think).

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Does anyone else thing the show has foreshadowed Jon's death too much. I've been reading a lot of reviews of the episodes this season, and a lot of people are predicting Olly kills Jon, especially after this last episode. It seems to me like the show has telegraphed it too much.

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In regard to your last question, I was under the impression that only fire could destroy them. I suppose if you have a giant smashing them into pulp they are pretty much done, but normal stabbing/slicing/etc hasn't stopped them in the books. I see no reason why they wouldn't continue to be animated.

As to the other question...maybe any walker can do it. Maybe those bodies that attacked Mormont were already animated out in the woods and pretended to be dead until a chance to attack. Was ghost the one that found them? He probably would have reacted in a more aggressive manner if that was the case. I never really thought about it before.

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Just wanted to say I don't see how it would be "cheap" to have more valyrian swords show up, when so far its been made obvious that it is something the high families seem to own, and pass down father to son.

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absolutely incredible episode. tormund is stealing the spotlight this season.

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I hope when they kill Snow it's not just Ollie doing it on his own. I hope that some of the other Crows talked him into doing it, or leading Jon to where he will be stabbed by other men. I think it's important that many of his brothers betray him so that if/when he comes back he no longer feels bound by his oath. After all, he served until death and his death was precipitated by his brothers. If that doesn't free you to go bang the mother of dragons, then nothing will.

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I hope when they kill Snow it's not just Ollie doing it on his own. I hope that some of the other Crows talked him into doing it, or leading Jon to where he will be stabbed by other men. I think it's important that many of his brothers betray him so that if/when he comes back he no longer feels bound by his oath. After all, he served until death and his death was precipitated by his brothers. If that doesn't free you to go bang the mother of dragons, then nothing will.

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I hope when they kill Snow it's not just Ollie doing it on his own. I hope that some of the other Crows talked him into doing it, or leading Jon to where he will be stabbed by other men. I think it's important that many of his brothers betray him so that if/when he comes back he no longer feels bound by his oath. After all, he served until death and his death was precipitated by his brothers. If that doesn't free you to go bang the mother of dragons, then nothing will.

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Agreed. The fact that it was multiple people in the book made it even worse than simply one person betraying him. I hope that Olly is maybe even the last guy who walks up. Maybe the others stab him in the torso a few times, and Olly slits his throat or some other finishing move if they want to establish that he does in fact die.

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Yall are gonna flip a damn table when Tyrion rides drogon, not dany

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I hope when they kill Snow it's not just Ollie doing it on his own. I hope that some of the other Crows talked him into doing it, or leading Jon to where he will be stabbed by other men. I think it's important that many of his brothers betray him so that if/when he comes back he no longer feels bound by his oath. After all, he served until death and his death was precipitated by his brothers. If that doesn't free you to go bang the mother of dragons, then nothing will.

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Oh, and I've written most of the first sentence.

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Yes. He would've freed from his oath, have an army of wildings sympathetic to his cause, and thinks Ramsey is doing horrible things to his sister.

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"Lady Stoneheart does have a role in the books," Martin said. "Whether it's sufficient or interesting enough I think it is, or I wouldn't have put her in. One of the things I wanted to show with her is that the death she suffered changes you."

Continues Martin: "I've talked about Gandalf [in The Lord of the Rings], and how the impact of his death was enormous. When I was a 12-year-old kid reading The Fellowship of the Ring and 'Fly, you fools!' and he goes into the chasm it was 'Holy ****! [J.R.R. Tolkien] killed the wizard! That's the guy who knew everything. How are they going to destroy the ring without him?' And now the 'kids' have to grow up because their 'daddy' is dead. If Gandalf could die, anybody could die. And then just a few chapters later Boromir goes down. Those two deaths created in me the 'anyone could die' thing. At that point I was expecting [Tolkien] to pick off the whole Fellowship one by one. And then we also think in The Two Towers that Frodo is dead, since Shelob stung him and wrapped him up. I really bought it because he set me up with those other deaths. But then, of course, he brings Gandalf back. He's a little strange at first, but then he's basically the same old Gandalf. I liked the impact we got from him being gone."

Martin's explanation initially sounds like an argument against including Lady Stoneheart, but Martin then noted: "Lady Stoneheart is not Cateyln. I've tried to set it up beforehand with Beric Dondarrion and his repeated [resurrections]. There's a brief appearance by Beric in Book One and he rides into the city and he's this flamboyant Southern knight. That's not that man we meet later on."

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