***Official Game of Thrones: Season 4 Thread (BOOK READERS/SPOILERS ALLOWED)***

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HummingbirdSaltalamacchia
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10:20a, 6/6/14
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Great point. i had completely forgotten that he was in season 1. for some reason i had it in my mind that we hadnt seen him yet in the series.
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10:24a, 6/6/14
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Realize that any cast they are going to release at this point is meant to be as spoiler free as possible. Talking about casting Euron, Damphair, and Victarion would seem suspicious to watchers that have no idea Balon is dying any minute now.

I would suspect they don't go too deep into Cersei's arrest and trial next season or else they will be out of material for Season 6.

BTW, on a completely unrelated note I was thinking about storylines in the books and thought of something that is very possible and would be great but tough to read and tragic. What if Brienne is taking Jaime to SH as it would seem and he demands a trial by combat where SH makes Brienne be her champion.
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10:33a, 6/6/14
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BTW, the non-spoiler thread has some good responses recently, about Tyrion breaking out of jail, going to mereen, riding a dragon, killing his father, etc.....

of course there is one that thinks shae is going to break him out.
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10:34a, 6/6/14
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about R+L=J....purely speculation...

but interesting once you read into certain things the way GRRM phrased certain things and the timing of events.

for example Ned never ever calls Jon his son or his *******...he only ever calls him "his blood"...which he would be if he was his sisters son (his nephew). Ned never spoke of his mother at all. No matter how much Catelyn protested Ned never waivered on treating Jon as family. Certain times where Ned facing death thought of his children but not Jon...but then others where he thought of Jon and wanted to talk to "the boy" again not "his son" etc...and why of all his children is it jon he wants to talk to before he dies?

then there are the timing things...he went to rescue Lyanna and finds her dying and she had been in Dorne more than a year guarded by the kingsguard (why? even though rhaegar is not there) and on her deathbed she makes him make a solemn promise of which we do not know the content...shortly after he arrives back at winterfell with his *******.



[This message has been edited by mchensel (edited 6/6/2014 9:35a).]
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10:34a, 6/6/14
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BTW, on a completely unrelated note I was thinking about storylines in the books and thought of something that is very possible and would be great but tough to read and tragic. What if Brienne is taking Jaime to SH as it would seem and he demands a trial by combat where SH makes Brienne be her champion.

I absolutely see something like that happening. it is poetically tragic and right up GRRM's alley.
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10:41a, 6/6/14
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help me out...who is SH?
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10:43a, 6/6/14
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10:50a, 6/6/14
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ahhh...yes...LS I would have gotten or LSH.

makes sense yes...

hmmm...that would be interesting. and jaime could use the inigo montoya line "but i know something you do not know... i am not left handed"...jk. lol.

well if i placed my bets i would say jaime is not long for this world...faces too much danger and is not part of a popular family. made a lot of enemies and is less able to defend himself. plus...

practically speaking is his story played out? his dad is dead that was one of his great battles of will, his relationship with his sister is strained at best if not over, he freed his brother which was the right thing to do....

and personally i don't think the lannister line is meant to continue through him the way his father wants - not with GRRM writing it.
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10:55a, 6/6/14
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I can see him dying by breinne's sword in that fashion. Then breinne maybe falling on her own sword because she is madly in love with him. Jamie then confesses how sad and sorry he is to LSH about Everythibg that happened and he asks her to do something for him? Make sure his sister dies?
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10:56a, 6/6/14
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The fortune teller told Cersei that her brother would kill her, so she always assumed it was Tyrion. If it's Jaime, then his story is not done...
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10:59a, 6/6/14
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i actually like the theory that Jaime is going to have to fight Robert Strong in a trial-by-combat involving Cersei. He kills RS (who is Cersei's champion), thus killing her and fulfilling the prophecy from MtF
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11:07a, 6/6/14
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ahhh yes...well maybe his story is not done then. i forgot about prophecy which she assumes is tyrion of course "little brother".



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11:09a, 6/6/14
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and of course she is supposed to outlive her children...so tommen and myrcella would have to die first....
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11:13a, 6/6/14
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Jamie believes that he and Cersei will exit the world as they came in to it, together. I don't think that was dropped in the books without meaning.

My guess is that Jamie will, at some point, put Cercei down, not unlike he did the Mad King, to keep her from harming more. He will die in the process or shortly after, again, my speculation.

But, not before leaving Brienne with child, who will ultimately become the heir to Castlery Rock, in an awesome twist of fate.
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11:32a, 6/6/14
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I would suspect they don't go too deep into Cersei's arrest and trial next season or else they will be out of material for Season 6.


Count on this: Season 5 will almost entirely exhaust remaining book 4 & 5 material, and some storylines will already be moving past what's been written.

Season 6 will be Winds of Winter. It's a sure thing.
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11:47a, 6/6/14
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My guess is that Jamie will, at some point, put Cercei down, not unlike he did the Mad King, to keep her from harming more. He will die in the process or shortly after, again, my speculation.

But, not before leaving Brienne with child, who will ultimately become the heir to Castlery Rock, in an awesome twist of fate.

This. If the alternative happens and Jamie and Brienne have to fight at Lady Stoneheart's orders, it is possible that the person killed (or one of them if they were both dying) could be saved if Cat lets them live by giving up her zombie-ness like Beric did for her.
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11:56a, 6/6/14
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could go the other way...Jaime may in fact have to kill Brienne...which would be tragic...but if in the end it meant Jamie lived to kill Cersei's champion and thus Cersei...and died himself shortly after or took his own life .....well thats GRRM, no?

I don't think LSH sacrifices herself for any Lannister or anyone else for that matter...until all the Lannisters are dead....except perhaps Tyrion.
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12:01p, 6/6/14
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I thought it would have been incredibly poetic that she would sacrifice herself to save Jon Snow, considering how awful she was to him before the RW. of course she is no where near the wall so doubtful she will be able to do anything to help him in his current predicament, but still, i thought it would have been very appropriate.
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12:04p, 6/6/14
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So, Robert Strong is going to champion Cercei, who is championing the faith, or has it even been discussed? I can't recall.
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12:05p, 6/6/14
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lol....funny....


An open letter from George R.R. Martin addressing 'Game of Thrones' fans' deepest fear.

http://happyplace.someecards.com/happy-place-original/an-open-letter-from-george-rr-martin-addressing-game-of-thrones-fans-deepest-fear/


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Now I kill off characters in droves out of mad, frustrated desire, sending them a stillness I'll never know. You think "Valar Morghulis" – "all men must die" – was just a clever turn of fantasy phrasing? Please. I've been begging for oblivion in the only way they've left me.
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12:08p, 6/6/14
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For $20,000 you might be the one championing the faith...

http://www.prizeo.com/prizes/georgerrmartin/a-wolf-sanctuary-tour-and-helicopter-ride?utm_content=grrm&utm_campaign=georgerrmartin&
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12:08p, 6/6/14
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I thought it would have been incredibly poetic that she would sacrifice herself to save Jon Snow, considering how awful she was to him before the RW. of course she is no where near the wall so doubtful she will be able to do anything to help him in his current predicament, but still, i thought it would have been very appropriate.

That would be awesome. Could be that she simply has to acknowledge she is willing to do it though and Melisandre can be the one to actually bring him back. Maybe there is some rule that only one zombie person can exist at a time, and R'hllor can grant a priest or priestess the power to raise them.

RE Brienne and Jaime: I can't see Jaime ever killing Brienne. I feel that he would allow her to kill him and live on to fight his battles. Plus I just don't think he could kill her now even if he tried despite the training. On the same token, I can't see Brienne killing Jaime either. Will be interesting for sure though to see what happens with that situation.
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12:10p, 6/6/14
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...and some spoilers straight from the mouth of GRRM.......in good fun...

http://youtu.be/KNRbV66Q-wo

"HODOR"!!


oh sorry that was june 7 2013...my bad..

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12:12p, 6/6/14
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So, Robert Strong is going to champion Cercei, who is championing the faith, or has it even been discussed? I can't recall.

A lot of people think the Hound is still alive and is the grave digger on the Quiet Isle (a refuge for those of the Faith of the Seven). He could be the champion of the faith to fight his zombie brother. A lot of people also believe there will be a trial of 7, so many more people would be involved.
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12:21p, 6/6/14
Thanks mchensel!
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12:24p, 6/6/14
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I have to reread ADWD after season 4....so many things i need to refresh in my mind.

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12:45p, 6/6/14
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8oOi6JOXEQ

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12:56p, 6/6/14
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I would suspect they don't go too deep into Cersei's arrest and trial next season or else they will be out of material for Season 6.


Count on this: Season 5 will almost entirely exhaust remaining book 4 & 5 material, and some storylines will already be moving past what's been written.

Season 6 will be Winds of Winter. It's a sure thing.


Consider that book 3 took two seasons. They could easily get 2 seasons out of 4 and 5. Especially if Dorne and the iron islands come into play.
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1:02p, 6/6/14
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you can easily expand/stretch the Myrcella/Arienne plot for most of the season, ending with her being scarred and Arys Oakheart being killed.
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1:10p, 6/6/14
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They will spend next season setting up the Prince as a weakling, him having to deal with the Sand Snakes, and at the end the big reveal that he was one of the ones bank rolling Danay.
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1:10p, 6/6/14
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epic rant...obviously a non-reader. lol.

http://m.tickld.com/x/guy-goes-crazy-after-the-last-game-of-thrones-episode-this-is-the-best-status-

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1:14p, 6/6/14
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Stannis swag rating 14/100
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1:31p, 6/6/14
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i'm sure he will keep watching and be a bit happier after tyrion gets his vengeance...maybe the battle at the wall and Jon rising to LC will also give him hope...

he is right though...Dany needs to start wreaking havoc...please let her start coming back to Westeros in book 6 we need that.
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1:38p, 6/6/14
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A post by Fogburn95 in the nonspoiler thread

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Unless Tyrion gets pardoned, he'd be a fugitive anywhere in Westeros. I'm guessing he escapes somehow (maybe Jaime/Bronn help him out?) and flees across the sea. Would Dany take him in?


Could just be a good guess, could be a spoiler....
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1:43p, 6/6/14
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They all want/expect him to escape,

Let me know when someone wishes that he'll kill Shae and Tywin in a grand exit, that'll be a spoiler.
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