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definitely dark hair - trying to appear like Littlefingers niece I believe to make their cover story believable - not like Lyssa as others have suggested. Even the clothes were more like Littlefingers style, more elegant than Lyssa's.

Sounds like Elliot won that round

Who's posting spoilers? Closest I've seen is people going over to the NS thread and posting "clean up" that hasn't shown up in the show yet (which I would hate if I were over there, but they don't seem to mind).

Incidentally, I've had a ridiculous amount of stuff "spoiled "for me in this series. Namely:

- Ned
I was watching the show with a buddy. I said "you know Ned lives because they won't kill off Sean Bean." I received an incredulous look in return which basically told me all I needed to know.

After this, I just decided to read the whole series.

- Red Wedding
A buddy texted me "WHAT? THEY KILLED ROBB AND CAT?!?" After that, I got a second text that said, "Sorry, meant to text someone else. You probably have no idea what I'm talking about." My response: "I'm in the middle of the 2nd book."

- Mountain v. Viper
Shifted to the audiobook for ASOS. I downloaded it and fired it up. Mistakenly, it started in the middle of the book. But Martin's intros are usually involved, so I didn't notice. Then I realized that they were leading Tyrion back to the black cell because the viper had lost. Too bad I didn't know who the viper was yet.

- ADWD ending
Was at a party and I was talking to another friend with whom I always talk about books. I told him I was on the last book of the series and he said that he had read them all. Then he asks me kind of off the cuff about the ending of ADWD, and asking me what I thought really happened. Apparently, he had forgotten the sequence of the books. (I'm being intentionally vague here because I know some people follow this thread who haven't made it all the way through the series).

Anyway, it's been snakebit since day 1.

This is awesome. Dude illustrated the Viper/Mountain fight last year.

http://mccomseycomix.wordpress.com/2013/06/26/the-red-viper-vs-the-mountain-that-rides-a-12-page-comic/

i go to the non spoiler thread and enjoy their reactions and theories.

I really don't understand the mindset of people who go there and say "I've read the books, but I won't spoil anything, but let me just tell you this ..."

It's a non-book reader thread, if they wanted to know, they'd go look it up themselves.

Any other "spoiler" situations - hey tough chit for the spoiled, the last book has been out for 3 years, the first books have been out for more than a decade.

GoT characters in the 80's/90's...

My favorites:

funny story about my parents and spoilers...

they got me into the books.

i had seeen season 1 on HBO and they had already read all the books, then books 1-4 were out.

i then read books 1 and 2 before season 2.

after season 2 i intended to read book 3 but could not stop and read book 4 and 5 as soon as it was published.

somehow they misse the publication of book 5 and i assumed they ahd read it. so i'm talking to them about stuff in book 5 and they keep looking at me oddly and can't recall what i'm referring to...

finally nearly 6 months later they tell me excitedly that the next GRRM book is out and i should get it that they just did. i tell them thats impossible book 5 was just out last year. there is no way book 6 is out yet.

They asure me they just bought it in hardback at Sams club.

Finally we figure out they had never read book 5 and had just never seen it while i had pretty much spoiled everything in it for them as i had already read it.

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I said "you know Ned lives because they won't kill off Sean Bean." I received an incredulous look in return which basically told me all I needed to know.

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Not a spoiler because Sean Bean ALWAYS dies haha


sucks for all the rest of your spoilers though

I feel bad for the guy in the non-spoiler thread because I think he actually just guessed right about the poison (the guy wiping Oberyn's blade beforehand seemed like an obvious tell for me - but then again I've read the books do who knows if I'd have noticed it otherwise?)

So here he goes and guesses right and the mob over there jumps all over him for posting "spoilers". It's a full on meltdown there now because one guy made a prediction lol. I'm glad I've read the books because avoiding spoiler for GoT seems like an excercise in futility.

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When I watched the walking dead (gave that up quite a while ago, thankfully), I quickly realized it was much better to just avoid internet discussion, in general. If I was only a show watcher for GoT, I wouldn't even read the other thread because I wouldn't want a single thing spoiled, even by a "lucky guess"...

Personally, I think there are several over there who have read the books and are trying to be coy, Stive included. But that's the issue, policing that thread/the internet is an act of futility. People who haven't read the books and only watch the show should just just avoid game of thrones internet discussion on general.

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The really tough thing for show watchers is there is a week between episodes and the offseason, put simply there is just too much time to think about it. When you read the books you don't have to wait and thus you don't have time to think about all the little things going on and their consequences, thus you are much more easily shocked. If I read the books 4 or 5 chapters at a time, took a week off, and then read the same amount over and over it wouldn't be nearly as cool.

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When you read the books you don't have to wait . . . .

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Dude, do you even ASOIAF? Waiting is the name of the game for the books.

Lol


I'm sure you know he's talking about within 1 book.

Yeah I looked back and immediately after Joffrey died there was a guy that guessed it was the elder Martel in cahoots with littlefinger. He threw in a nugget of maybe tywin involved too as a decoy i think. I mean come on there is no way just watching the show you would guess that.

Same thing here they don't give away the viper dying but immediately after predict that he poisoned the mountain. That's a reach of a guess.

And I've seen a few guesses that Tyrion escapes by the help of Jamie varys or someone else. People trying to look smart. They throw in one wrong guess and 2 correct ones.

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Lol


I'm sure you know he's talking about within 1 book.

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I knew, but wanted to use that line anyway.

Some of them have already figured out the big Stannis rescue

I think the show throws a lot more intentional hints at viewers, maybe it's because of how much detail the books throw, it's easy to get lost in the details...

Exactly. To me, the show makes it clear you should at least suspect Lady Tyrell while in the book its easy to lose her in the clutter.

Watched the show last night. Just now coming out of shock from the Viper's death.

Damn. That death bothered me more than any I've seen since the Jewish guy who gets stabbed in Saving Private Ryan. Wife couldn't even watch it.

I read the book so long ago, I forgot that was how he killed him. Still don't think I'd been prepared for it, though. The actor playing the Viper was awesome.

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To me, the show makes it clear you should at least suspect Lady Tyrell while in the book its easy to lose her in the clutter.

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I thought just the opposite. I'm working through my 3rd reading of ASOIAF. I'm doing 2-3 chapters a night to really focus on things I missed before. Coincidentally, last night included the chapter where Sansa first meets Margaery and her grandmother at their dinner and they basically finagle the truth out of her, while the Tyrell Fool screams "The Bear and the Maiden Fair" at the top of his lungs to cover for eavesdroppers. Sansa finally relents and tells them Joff is a monster.

From that point in my first reading, I knew Joff was a dead man and Olenna was the executioner. They came to Kings Landing with a plan already in place. That whole dinner existed for no reason other than to get the truth from Sansa, confirming their suspicions and sealing the deal. Olenna was not going to stand by and let Mace Tyrell hand her granddaughter over to a monster. Watching the show, I think the idea that Olenna murdered Joff wasn't at all clear until a couple of episodes later when she confessed to Margaery (I think book Margaery was in on the plot from the beginning). At the end of that Sansa chapter is when Dantos gives her the poisoned hair net, calling it "justice". I didn't catch the timing on that in prior readings. They definitely left Highgarden with a plot already in the works.

On a completely different subject, last night also included the Davos chapter where he washes up on the deserted island. It never occurred to me before, but on this reading it seems clear to me that he drowned and was somehow reborn, like Damphair and Patchface. But, he doesn't know it. How? Why? I think it must be important when a book series has at least 3 characters who drown and come back.

What is dead can never die...

True. Who knew the drowned god would be such a player. I guess Davos is gonna see this thing through to the end. Him and Patchface and Damphair rent a condo together.

That icon is the bourbon talking to my thumbs. I don't even know what that little yellow guy is doing. Crying? Laughing really hard?

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Yep

Concerning the discussion about the usual GOT mode of operation which has been epic episode in 2nd to last, then kind of a wrap up and forward looking set up epeisode in the finale.....

looks like things might be different this time.

66 minutes in length - longest episode so far. director talks about the epic nature of it compared to previous episodes.


interesting.



http://www.wetpaint.com/game-of-thrones/articles/2014-04-30-season-4-finale-longest-run

sounds like ti may be much more than just a forward looking and wrap up episode.

I thought that was mentioned prior to the season that the format was going to be different in regards to ep 9 and 10?

It was.

if it was i missed it...i was expecting big battle at the wall in ep. 9 and wrap up in ep. 10...

well i think we get the tyrion escape plus reveal of lady stoneheart.

but sounds like there may be more epic stuff....maybe the battle on the wall spills over, maybe stuff from Dany and her dragons, maybe Jon Snow as Lord Commander. gotta have something with Sansa and Arya - i think Arya leaves for Braavos and splits from the hound - but how? Are we done with Ramsay Snow/bolton and Reek for this season? i kinda hope we are...save that showdown with Stannis for next season.

Will we get Ramsay's marriage and bedding ?

I don't think the Ramsay bedding will take place with only two episodes left. If we do, well... I suppose that speaks to the unimportance of that material in the books.

Kinda bored by the thread - no offense - so here's my new game for the day.

First person (me) says a character, next person gives opinion if they live or die in the remainder of the story (books or show, don't care).

You can put how they die or who kills them if you want, and then you pick the next person.

I open with: Ramsay Bolton