AccidentProne said:

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I just want baseball to start up again so all my season ticket holders would stop threatening to file lawsuits

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haha I hadn't even considered that yet. Of course, I'm a small fish. If I was one of those guys who dropped $20k and more, I'd probably sing a different tune.

wbt5845 said:

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AccidentProne said:

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I just want baseball to start up again so all my season ticket holders would stop threatening to file lawsuits

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haha I hadn't even considered that yet. Of course, I'm a small fish. If I was one of those guys who dropped $20k and more, I'd probably sing a different tune.

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I have it coming from all types

Hate for you to have to go through that AP, but yeah -- the Rangers have really done their season ticket holders a disservice. One of maybe 3 teams that still haven't refunded March/April/May.

Proposition Joe said:

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Hate for you to have to go through that AP, but yeah -- the Rangers have really done their season ticket holders a disservice. One of maybe 3 teams that still haven't refunded March/April/May.

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Oh we are offering that, for sure. You just have to ask about it. The catch is if you do want the refund for those months, you will not get opening day if/when the season restarts

I can't really get into it on here, but there are specific issues much higher up than me that, if handled more effectively in the beginning, could have help avoid most of the situation that we are currently in. As in, we wouldn't have STHs threatening to file lawsuits because they wouldn't have the ground to stand on that a lot have recently found they indeed have.

I look forward to years of continued penny pinching with payroll while they play in the new taxpayer funded stadium in the 5th largest market (and 2nd largest with only 1 team). They have their excuse now

I am a Rangers fan, but the last couple of years have been embarrassing.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-owners-reject-mlbpas-114-game-proposal-for-2020-season-per-report/

MLB owners reject MLBPA's 114-game proposal for 2020 season, per report
By R.J. Anderson Jun 3, 2020 at 1:44 pm ET 1 min read
On Sunday, the Players Association submitted a proposal to Major League Baseball for a 2020 season that would include, among other aspects, a 114-game regular season and expanded playoffs. It took the league a few days to respond, but on Wednesday owners rejected the union's proposal and said they would not send a counteroffer, according to Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic.
The owners are said to want a shorter regular season, perhaps as short as 50 or 60 games, with an emphasis on getting to the postseason quickly. The hope is to have the postseason completed before a possible second wave of the novel coronavirus can sweep the country, thus ensuring the league pockets all of the money from playoff television deals. (The union, as part of its proposal, included the potential for mass deferrals if the postseason was canceled due to a renewed spread of COVID-19.)
It should be noted that refusing to make a counteroffer is a well-known negotiating tactic, one commonly employed in baseball circles by agent Scott Boras, and that the league's stance does not necessarily mean the 2020 season is endangered. Still, this was eyed as a pivotal week if the two sides wanted to begin play sometime in early July, and so far there's been limited momentum toward a deal.
Earlier this week, ESPN's Jeff Passan reported that Commissioner Rob Manfred would be willing to force a shortened season with prorated salaries if the two sides could not strike an agreement. That season would be about half as long as the players' desired length.
MLB had originally intended to launch its season on March 26.Two weeks prior, the league was forced to hit pause, alongside every other in-season professional sports league, due to the spread of COVID-19.

Sorry for the formatting. Posted from my phone

So I guess the path forward here is the Commissioner is going to force a short season. And since this had to all be decided in the first week of June, that means an announcement is imminent?

So home and away with 9 other teams (AL & NL West) = 9 X 6 = 54. I guess 4 games series with some select rivals gets you to 60. Sound about right?

If there's no season I say we riot at Manfred's office

AccidentProne said:

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Proposition Joe said:

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Hate for you to have to go through that AP, but yeah -- the Rangers have really done their season ticket holders a disservice. One of maybe 3 teams that still haven't refunded March/April/May.

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Oh we are offering that, for sure. You just have to ask about it. The catch is if you do want the refund for those months, you will not get opening day if/when the season restarts

I can't really get into it on here, but there are specific issues much higher up than me that, if handled more effectively in the beginning, could have help avoid most of the situation that we are currently in. As in, we wouldn't have STHs threatening to file lawsuits because they wouldn't have the ground to stand on that a lot have recently found they indeed have.

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The Dallas Stars just reached out to me yesterday about rolling over to next season or getting a refund. Their initial communication had no mention of an incentive to roll into next season.

I guess it hasn't been only the Rangers who are dragging their feet on this.

I'm confident that once the negotiations between the players and the owners comes to a conclusion, we will have an update to our policy, and I'm confident we will have some type of relief option that includes getting a refund. It's just a matter of waiting until these negotiations end.

We made a business decision pretty early on that we weren't going to start offering full refunds immediately on the chance there would still be a partial season. What I see as the most likely scenario is once a new, shortened is announced, we will start our 2021 renewal efforts. STHs will have the option to use 20% of the credit of the unplayed games as their down payment, and then the rest would be refunded. We won't just rollover all the money towards 2021, unless the STH tells their rep to do so.

It sounds like we are also trying to get some beefed up benefits approved, too.

AccidentProne said:

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It sounds like we are also trying to get some beefed up benefits approved, too.

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Sorry you end up on the frontline for this AP.

The players proposal of a 114 game season AND an expanded playoffs made no friggin sense. What a waste of time.

It makes no sense if you actually own a calendar. So they basically play until mid to late November and then have an expanded playoff?

Bingo Bango Bongo said:

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It makes no sense if you actually own a calendar. So they basically play until mid to late November and then have an expanded playoff?

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THere is no way they play playoffs that late in the year, unless they want to do it at neutral sites that are either indoors or warm weather. Can you image playing in New York or Boston in late November/early December?

KT 90 said:

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Bingo Bango Bongo said:

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It makes no sense if you actually own a calendar. So they basically play until mid to late November and then have an expanded playoff?

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THere is no way they play playoffs that late in the year, unless they want to do it at neutral sites that are either indoors or warm weather. Can you image playing in New York or Boston in late November/early December?

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Right. That's my point. That was basically a rhetorical question.

For those of you saying how greedy the players have been throughout this, give this a watch. It's on the longer side, about 30 min, but is extremely insightful and shows how big the gap is of perception vs reality in regards to players pay vs owners income.

I generally like Bauer but I've read what he's written on this and seen some short videos and his logic through a lot of it has been painful. They really need to figure out they're not going to win the PR war, but they may well damage the sport enough that their big fat contracts don't happen anymore due to loss of revenue.

Yeah, as far as PR wars go, the owners have the easier sell to the public -> if we don't play X games, you don't get paid for them + if we play Y in front of an empty stadium, then we can't pay full fare for those. Right, wrong, indifferent, that's the easy explanation in a PR battle