This is Chopper erasure and I won't stand for it.
*****Star Wars: Ahsoka*****
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jeffk said:
Shocked and outraged that this series named after a female SW character contains females.
I can only watch shows named after men!
With men doing manly things!
No female leads!
Only male leads!
Only male leads and their big, strong muscles!
And their rock hard, uh… Kyber crystals!
That they put in their lightsabers!
Their lightsabers that I wish I could touch and hold and play with!
Definitely Not A Cop said:
I enjoyed it. The person I watched it with (casual star wars fan, never seen Rebels) was bored.
The biggest issue is that it feels like the characters aren't actually in the same room when they are talking to each other in scenes. And it seems like there is a delay between each line where each character has to show you first what they are feeling before responding. It makes the exposition scenes feel more drawn out than they need to be, imo. It's the pilot episodes though, so maybe this improves as the show continues.
It feels like a natural continuation of Rebels, and I will continue watching. Dawson is great at everything in the show.
A fair critique and basically what I was getting at. It's not bad enough to truly annoy me or ruin a scene, but yeah, at times it's all just so much more drawn out than it needs to be.
Really hard times at the house last night.Urban Ag said:
Disney is completely incapable of learning at this point. This series will be a failure. Newsflash, young ladies are not in to this either.
About 30 minutes after Ahsoka ended, my wife went live on TikTok showing off her Ahsoka soap. Her previous high viewership for a livestream was 2,400 viewers. Last night, at one point, it crossed 20,000. But when I saw your post, I realized, why am I letting her fall into this trap? I told her to shut it down because people aren't going to like this show. When she refused, I called and cancelled the Internet entirely. When asked what the hell my problem was, I told her:
This morning she tallied the sales she had gotten solely from TIkTok. Her previous one-day high for sales was $233 at an in-home market show. She showed me the tally from last night: $579 on Ahsoka - selling it out completely. I took her phone and threw it on the roof to get those pipe dreams out of her head.
Got my kids up today to start their chores, and one asked when the next episode of Ahsoka was coming on. They both watched it with me last night in the media room, laughing and cheering and gobbling M&Ms and popcorn. I grounded them both for a year from their electronic devices for their insolence. I got right in their faces and yelled
"NEWSFLASH! YOUNG LADIES ARE NOT INTO THIS!"
They went to their rooms in tears, one hugging onto her two porgs and plush Chewbacca for support, while driving her purple BB-8 unit from Galaxy's Edge around the room to take her mind off it; the other surrounding herself with her 9-12 Yoda and Grogu stuffed animals, interactive toys, Grogu calendar, Luke and Boba Fett and Rey bobbleheads and her red-and-blue R5-D4 unit from Galaxy's Edge in an effort to face the reality that they've been living a lie all these years.
Thank you, UrbanAg, for having your finger on the pulse of female Star Wars fandom.
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I kind of wish y'all would ignore the unique and unshared opinions of some and just talk about the show.
For example, like TCTTS, as much as I love what Filoni has done for Star Wars he does lack a little. What you mentioned about long silences is something he took from his days in animation, where you can get by on how cool/dramatic/pretty everything looks. Basically, he's copying the formula he used for the final half episode or so of the Clone Wars. Just a bunch of visuals. But there were some cool visuals, and that's kind of how it is when people are alone. Just sitting and thinking and no talking.
There is also some pretty stereotypical dialogue. I don't remember exactly, but there was something like
"Did you see the droid?"
turns slowly and says "what droid?"
For example, like TCTTS, as much as I love what Filoni has done for Star Wars he does lack a little. What you mentioned about long silences is something he took from his days in animation, where you can get by on how cool/dramatic/pretty everything looks. Basically, he's copying the formula he used for the final half episode or so of the Clone Wars. Just a bunch of visuals. But there were some cool visuals, and that's kind of how it is when people are alone. Just sitting and thinking and no talking.
There is also some pretty stereotypical dialogue. I don't remember exactly, but there was something like
"Did you see the droid?"
turns slowly and says "what droid?"
It's less about Nightsisters stuff and more about the map explaining was pretty limited. I did watch a little clone wars and all of rebels.
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jeffk said:
Glad to see David Tennant return as Huyang.
No *****
This might come as a surprise.[/sarcasm]TCTTS said:Urban Ag said:
Visually it was very well done.
It's too wonky for non Star Wars uber nerds to know what is being referenced for the most part.
The acting and dialogue ranged from mediocre, to flat, to really bad.
Rosario Dawson remains one of the hottest women in Hollywood.
Ray was great. Always a fan. But Ray was the white guy bad guy. And the rest of the white guys were crusty old white guys of on screen impotence. Predictable.
All of the focus, fighting, and importance was completely thrust upon the female cast. Another Kathleen Kennedy effort.
Neither of these things once crossed my mind. I swear, how some of you choose to see the world/watch your entertainment will never not be the saddest, weirdest thing to me. On the bright side, at least you got to whine about it on the internet again.
Seriously, though, why is the latter bad? Why is it so wrong that *one* of the six seasons of Star Wars television so far is devoted more to females than males? As a brand, why would you not want to attempt to diversify your audience? Granted, whether they succeed or not is another story, but being endlessly, vocally annoyed at them for trying is so odd.
Not sorry. This will fail. Disney has lost the young male audience and Star Wars cannot survive without it. Asked my teenage sons if they were going to watch it this week and they lol'd, didn't even know it existed.
Great! Then your sons can watch any of the other dozens of Star Wars shows and movies aimed at teenage boys. Good thing there's a ridiculous bounty to choose from, starting in 1977 all the way up to earlier this year.
Disney is completely incapable of learning at this point. This series will be a failure. Newsflash, young ladies are not in to this either.
Learning what, exactly? That for some insane reason grown ass men are going to throw fits on the internet about the fact that Star Wars is trying to branch out and appeal to more demographics than just boys?
Flame away. I tried.
ChipFTAC01 said:jeffk said:
Glad to see David Tennant return as Huyang.
No *****
Yep! He voiced the role back in the Clone Wars cartoon and there were several Dr. Who inside jokes in the episodes the droid was featured in. Long-story short, Huyang is a really old droid that specialized in teaching younglings to construct their first lightsabers.
Ha, oh I'm well aware. His opinions in general say it all, not to mention he's talked sh*t about me and this board multiple times over there.
I haven't seen any previews, but I'm assuming we see Ezra in this, and if so, then the complaints about the show being designed for women is very premature. I'm sure it will still focus on Ahsoka, but if Ezra is treated the same way as Rebels (no reason to think Filoni wouldn't be treating his character the same way) then he will be a badass for the urban's of the world.
As much as I want to ignore it I will say this.
Perhaps if this was a new property or I was brand new to these characters I could understand the complaint. Since I am super familiar with both Ahsoka and the Rebels crew, it's just another story, for me. Ahsoka, trained by Anakin and in a way Obi-Wan, has all the history to make her a badass. Sabine, a trained Mandalorian, and Hera, an ace pilot, have their own established track records as well. Also, it's not like they gave Sabine the Rey treatment, here.
It all seems very genuine and organic, to me. Again, that could be b/c of my familiarity with all the characters.
At the risk of opening myself to ridicule...I worry that The Acolyte will be what Urban is complaining this show is.
Perhaps if this was a new property or I was brand new to these characters I could understand the complaint. Since I am super familiar with both Ahsoka and the Rebels crew, it's just another story, for me. Ahsoka, trained by Anakin and in a way Obi-Wan, has all the history to make her a badass. Sabine, a trained Mandalorian, and Hera, an ace pilot, have their own established track records as well. Also, it's not like they gave Sabine the Rey treatment, here.
It all seems very genuine and organic, to me. Again, that could be b/c of my familiarity with all the characters.
At the risk of opening myself to ridicule...I worry that The Acolyte will be what Urban is complaining this show is.
jeffk said:ChipFTAC01 said:jeffk said:
Glad to see David Tennant return as Huyang.
No *****
Yep! He voiced the role back in the Clone Wars cartoon and there were several Dr. Who inside jokes in the episodes the droid was featured in. Long-story short, Huyang is a really old droid that specialized in teaching younglings to construct their first lightsabers.
I remembered his role as the lighsaber guru (after he reminded me a few times) but had no idea that was him.
Side note - David Tenant and Michael Sheen have a great (I think?) show on Amazon called Staged where they try and navigate the lock down and a postponed stage production via zoom. Can't tell how much is scripted.
Can we talk about the music? The cyberpunk song Sabine was listening to on the speeder was a very different feel for SW, and I enjoyed it.
Although it was weird that she's always the only one on that highway, could the SFX not afford some CGI traffic?
Although it was weird that she's always the only one on that highway, could the SFX not afford some CGI traffic?
I'm pretty sure that particular highway is always emptyDefinitely Not A Cop said:
Can we talk about the music? The cyberpunk song Sabine was listening to on the speeder was a very different feel for SW, and I enjoyed it.
Although it was weird that she's always the only one on that highway, could the SFX not afford some CGI traffic?
Also, what's the deal with that highway to nowhere? It just goes out of the city and ends pointing directly at Ezra's tower. And every time the Ghost crew pull a heist they flee down that highway, but the Empire never searches the single structure for 50 miles in that direction? Love Rebels but every time I see that highway I'm like, "Kallus, my dude..."redline248 said:I'm pretty sure that particular highway is always emptyDefinitely Not A Cop said:
Can we talk about the music? The cyberpunk song Sabine was listening to on the speeder was a very different feel for SW, and I enjoyed it.
Although it was weird that she's always the only one on that highway, could the SFX not afford some CGI traffic?
The show is from a teenage afternoon cartoon, and always had lots of girls. I didnt mention this issue for that reason and many others. There is nothing wrong with that or this particular show from that perspective.TCTTS said:
I seriously do not get how some of you aren't embarrassed, or at least aren't more self aware, as to how ridiculous you sound, as grown ass men, when you throw tantrums on the internet in the most cliched way imaginable about not everything in Star Wars catering to your specific gender, or the gender/ages of your specific children. It's both hilarious, and flat out sad, that this is what sets you off. When most normal people either don't give a sh*t, because who cares if Lucasfilm devotes, like, ten percent of their output to trying to appeal to girls - or - because we're, for the most part, well-adjusted, empathetic human beings who can relate to the plights of characters despite us having d*cks when they don't.
What a ridiculously fragile way to live.
What is wrong, ironic given history and reality, and destructive, is the fact that white men basically have been deliberately relegated to only idiots or villains in almost EVERY show. They've even made idiots or villains out of existing iconic white male heroes.
That is the fragile way to live that you should be embarrassed about, and it shouldnt surprise you or offend you when people do discuss it. Its blatant and counterproductive when you look at their products across the board.
lolcbr said:The show is from a teenage afternoon cartoon, and always had lots of girls. I didnt mention this issue for that reason and many others. There is nothing wrong with that or this particular show from that perspective.TCTTS said:
I seriously do not get how some of you aren't embarrassed, or at least aren't more self aware, as to how ridiculous you sound, as grown ass men, when you throw tantrums on the internet in the most cliched way imaginable about not everything in Star Wars catering to your specific gender, or the gender/ages of your specific children. It's both hilarious, and flat out sad, that this is what sets you off. When most normal people either don't give a sh*t, because who cares if Lucasfilm devotes, like, ten percent of their output to trying to appeal to girls - or - because we're, for the most part, well-adjusted, empathetic human beings who can relate to the plights of characters despite us having d*cks when they don't.
What a ridiculously fragile way to live.
What is wrong, ironic given history and reality, and destructive, is the fact that white men basically have been deliberately relegated to only idiots or villains in almost EVERY show. They've even made idiots or villains out of existing iconic white male heroes.
That is the fragile way to live that you should be embarrassed about, and it shouldnt surprise you or offend you when people do discuss it. Its blatant and counterproductive when you look at their products across the board.
As a 31 year old white man, I thought these first two episodes were amazing. Best Star Wars content since season 7 of clone wars ended. All my friends felt the same way. Seeing the war criminal Chopper in live action was amazing. Felt like I was back in college watching season 5 of Rebels before heading to Northgate.
cbr said:The show is from a teenage afternoon cartoon, and always had lots of girls. I didnt mention this issue for that reason and many others. There is nothing wrong with that or this particular show from that perspective.TCTTS said:
I seriously do not get how some of you aren't embarrassed, or at least aren't more self aware, as to how ridiculous you sound, as grown ass men, when you throw tantrums on the internet in the most cliched way imaginable about not everything in Star Wars catering to your specific gender, or the gender/ages of your specific children. It's both hilarious, and flat out sad, that this is what sets you off. When most normal people either don't give a sh*t, because who cares if Lucasfilm devotes, like, ten percent of their output to trying to appeal to girls - or - because we're, for the most part, well-adjusted, empathetic human beings who can relate to the plights of characters despite us having d*cks when they don't.
What a ridiculously fragile way to live.
What is wrong, ironic given history and reality, and destructive, is the fact that white men basically have been deliberately relegated to only idiots or villains in almost EVERY show. They've even made idiots or villains out of existing iconic white male heroes.
That is the fragile way to live that you should be embarrassed about, and it shouldnt surprise you or offend you when people do discuss it. Its blatant and counterproductive when you look at their products across the board.
The show you're talking about had a male protagonist. Both he and his master are portrayed as loving and selfless heroes, and both sacrifice themselves for their found family.
The primary villains are male as well, and almost otherworldly in their competence.
The female antagonist, Price, is pretty much the only doofus in the whole show who isn't strictly comic relief.
I have to admit, every time a new Jedi comes out of the woodwork that survived Order 66, it cheapens the OT just a little bit more for me. I was ok with Ahsoka, but then we started getting more and more. (Kanan, Cal from Jedi Survivor, Grogu, the guy Jar Jar played, Reva, now this guy...)
At some point, Luke being the last hope becomes completely meaningless. I hope this is the end of the Jedi who survived.
At some point, Luke being the last hope becomes completely meaningless. I hope this is the end of the Jedi who survived.
Yeah, they need to find a way to bridge these survivors into a new effort to identify force-sensitive younglings in the near future. Maybe that's Rey's next role?
Serves Palps right for depending on clones to get the job done, I guess.
Serves Palps right for depending on clones to get the job done, I guess.
Go touch grass, my man. We're not being oppressed.
It's almost like more survived Order 66 than didn't.
Jedi and Force users are a dime a dozen n
Jedi and Force users are a dime a dozen n
Also, I'd been wondering why the name Syndulla sounded so familiar to me in Rebels.
Didn't realize until last night that Hera is the daughter of Cham Syndulla, from the Lords of the Sith novel.
Didn't realize until last night that Hera is the daughter of Cham Syndulla, from the Lords of the Sith novel.
That was another cool reporting of book lore into the cartoons by Filoni
Well, the dude played by Jar Jar, as far as we know, only survived the Temple Assault. Who knows where he went or how much longer he made it. Kanan didn't make it to the point of Luke's adventure. Grogu is obviously still just a child all throughout the OT and probably a captive of the Empire. I don't know Cal's story, at all. The guy in this show...I say give it some time, b/c he's obviously not a Jedi or someone that would have helped overthrow the Empire.Brian Earl Spilner said:
I have to admit, every time a new Jedi comes out of the woodwork that survived Order 66, it cheapens the OT just a little bit more for me. I was ok with Ahsoka, but then we started getting more and more. (Kanan, Cal from Jedi Survivor, Grogu and the guy Jar Jar played, now this guy...)
At some point, Luke being the last hope becomes completely meaningless. I hope this is the end of the Jedi who survived.
In general, I agree with you about too many Jedi, but at least there are some reasonable circumstances that make it so Luke is still the Hope. When Yoda tells him "last of the Jedi am I," he's not lying. Ezra is missing, Ahsoka isn't a real Jedi. Grogu is a kid and barely knows anything about how the Jedi of Yoda's time operate.
There were 10,000 Jedi prior to the Clone Wars. If 100 survived Order 66, it would still have been 99% effective. And 10,000 Jedi couldn't defeat the Separatists, what would 100 have done against the Empire? Luke was the last hope because he could turn Anakin against the Emperor.Brian Earl Spilner said:
I have to admit, every time a new Jedi comes out of the woodwork that survived Order 66, it cheapens the OT just a little bit more for me. I was ok with Ahsoka, but then we started getting more and more. (Kanan, Cal from Jedi Survivor, Grogu, the guy Jar Jar played, Reva, now this guy...)
At some point, Luke being the last hope becomes completely meaningless. I hope this is the end of the Jedi who survived.
I think you have that backwards. That book came out in 2015 and the character appeared in the Clone Wars in 2010jeffk said:
That was another cool reporting of book lore into the cartoons by Filoni
I'm a little torn on this, because I completely understand where you are coming from. Introducing new Jedi that survive always raises the question of "where were they" and somewhat cheapens the original trilogy in terms of how Luke (and Leia) were viewed..and Jedi in general.Brian Earl Spilner said:
I have to admit, every time a new Jedi comes out of the woodwork that survived Order 66, it cheapens the OT just a little bit more for me. I was ok with Ahsoka, but then we started getting more and more. (Kanan, Cal from Jedi Survivor, Grogu and the guy Jar Jar played, now this guy...)
At some point, Luke being the last hope becomes completely meaningless. I hope this is the end of the Jedi who survived.
But it does make sense that they wouldn't have gotten every single Jedi as well in the massacre. There was a pretty good series of books, called Coruscant Nights, that had this as a plotline.
Where he survives the Order 66 and then decides to just stay under the radar entirely to survive in the aftermath.
Think the next time they introduce new characters that are Jedi, it just needs to be an entirely different time period from the Skywalker era.
The dad is in rebels and the bad batch.
redline248 said:I think you have that backwards. That book came out in 2015 and the character appeared in the Clone Wars in 2010jeffk said:
That was another cool reporting of book lore into the cartoons by Filoni
Yes, I certainly did. Thanks for the clarification!
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