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***** Official 2019/2020 Texas Rangers Off Season Thread *****
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They probably will, but I'm to the point where I just want any kind of baseball season this year...
got some bad news to break to you...wbt5845 said:
MLB owners approve proposal going to players union. Season starts around July 4th. 81 games, so I ought to have 21 regular season games in my 1/2 season ticket package.
https://www.wfaa.com/mobile/article/news/health/coronavirus/ap-source-mlb-owners-approve-plan-to-start-season-around-july-4th/507-1730a01b-c6c5-4918-b2ca-669cffa2157d
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That proposal would take into account fans being able to return to ballparks at some point, perhaps with a small percentage of seats sold at first and then gradually increasing.
This is where I am expecting to see the benefit of letting the Rangers hold my $$$ all these months. If there is reduced seating at the beginning, I would hope my years of having season tickets would be in my favor. We'll see.
How are you going to tell who can come to the games and who can't? Imagine the premium seat holders in the lower level being told they cannot come to a particular game after they've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars. There would be a riot!DallasAg 94 said:I would like to think that will benefit you.wbt5845 said:Quote:
That proposal would take into account fans being able to return to ballparks at some point, perhaps with a small percentage of seats sold at first and then gradually increasing.
This is where I am expecting to see the benefit of letting the Rangers hold my $$$ all these months. If there is reduced seating at the beginning, I would hope my years of having season tickets would be in my favor. We'll see.
I know Hicks' restructure of ticket prices gauged many loyal STHs and drove them away.
For those who have been on board... reward them/you.
I don't see why they can't open up at 25% capacity, minimum.
The downside of the enclosed stadium is reduce UV light and heat on the seats to "clean" everything. Oh the irony.
I just don't see any way you can have games with limited capacity. You either have games with fans and provide protective measures (face masks, hand sanitation all over the place, temperature scanners when you arrive at the gate, etc), or you don't have fans at all.
Edit: even the STHs who don't spend that much. You can't justifiably allow one fan in over another, IMO
I just want baseball this year. Don't care if it is person or on TV. I am fiending for som baseball
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Neither a sellout nor a reducing capacity in the new stadium is the same as the situation as you're proposing. Operating at 25% capacity means telling people that have already purchased tickets that they can't go.
If stadiums reduce capacity significantly then they are just going to refund/credit season ticket holders and sell single game tickets.
This idea that if A&M or the Rangers reduce capacity and season ticket holders are told they can attend Game X, Y, Z and another holder A,B,C is just not going to happen. It's a logistical nightmare.
I'd like to say season ticket holders would likely to get a "presale", but the Rangers have shown that's really just a selling gimmick as the standard season ticket holder presale password is re-used and non-season ticket holders use it all the time.
This idea that if A&M or the Rangers reduce capacity and season ticket holders are told they can attend Game X, Y, Z and another holder A,B,C is just not going to happen. It's a logistical nightmare.
I'd like to say season ticket holders would likely to get a "presale", but the Rangers have shown that's really just a selling gimmick as the standard season ticket holder presale password is re-used and non-season ticket holders use it all the time.
I just have to disagree. If I paid for a full season (81 games), I'm entitled to all of those games. Now there is a proposed shortened season of 81 total games, which would amount to approx. 40 home games, and you're telling me I can only go to 10 of the 40 games I'm entitled to? I'm just not doing that, unless you give me some incentive, and it better be good. Something like value of the games I can't go to rolled over to 2021 plus a 10% bonus and a guarantee that my price will not increase. And if I premium seats, my annual cost escalator should be waived going into 2021.DallasAg 94 said:You are right. My situation is much better. It is telling people that have already purchased tickets they can go to 25% of the games... or 0%.AccidentProne said:
Neither a sellout nor a reducing capacity in the new stadium is the same as the situation as you're proposing. Operating at25%0% capacity means telling people that have already purchased tickets that they can't go.
Baseball is based on failure. Getting a base hit 25% of the time will get you MILLIONS of dollars.
People ask me all the time why I am so optimistic. I grew up loving and playing a sport in which significant failure is expected. If you fail (get out) 70% of the time, you are doing pretty good.
Annual cost escalator? Given our current overall economic situation at the moment, and the likely aversion of a certain percentage of the population to large crowd gatherings moving forward (for who knows how long), might want to shelve any annual cost escalator projections.
Unless the government plans to keep printing free money, I am expecting the market for sporting event and concert events to be more limited. At least for short term.
Unless the government plans to keep printing free money, I am expecting the market for sporting event and concert events to be more limited. At least for short term.
Yeah I have found it quite amusing some of these teams saying if you roll your credits over into 2021 you can lock in your price.
Yeah, I don't think consumers are too worried about pricing going up next year.
That's one good thing regarding sports that I think will come out of this - teams getting brought back to earth and starting to finally value their season ticket holders again instead of trying to sell them on the value but then turning around and trying to maximize profits on their backs as well.
Yeah, I don't think consumers are too worried about pricing going up next year.
That's one good thing regarding sports that I think will come out of this - teams getting brought back to earth and starting to finally value their season ticket holders again instead of trying to sell them on the value but then turning around and trying to maximize profits on their backs as well.
The annual cost escalator is only for seats that have multi-year contracts. It's about 2200 seats in the lower seating bowlKT 90 said:
Annual cost escalator? Given our current overall economic situation at the moment, and the likely aversion of a certain percentage of the population to large crowd gatherings moving forward (for who knows how long), might want to shelve any annual cost escalator projections.
Unless the government plans to keep printing free money, I am expecting the market for sporting event and concert events to be more limited. At least for short term.
Proposition Joe said:
I'd like to say season ticket holders would likely to get a "presale", but the Rangers have shown that's really just a selling gimmick as the standard season ticket holder presale password is re-used and non-season ticket holders use it all the time.
And just like clockwork. Can we all guess what this morning's "exclusive season ticket holder" password is for the drive-in concerts? I bet it will only take people one guess!
(and $50 to sit in your car and hear acoustic music piped in through your radio? Talk about out-of-touch.)
Proposition Joe said:Proposition Joe said:
I'd like to say season ticket holders would likely to get a "presale", but the Rangers have shown that's really just a selling gimmick as the standard season ticket holder presale password is re-used and non-season ticket holders use it all the time.
And just like clockwork. Can we all guess what this morning's "exclusive season ticket holder" password is for the drive-in concerts? I bet it will only take people one guess!
(and $50 to sit in your car and hear acoustic music piped in through your radio? Talk about out-of-touch.)
Haha I didnt even open that email.
RANGERS
Even worse than TCU15.
Is that for the same show the Ticket was randomly promoting last week too?Proposition Joe said:Proposition Joe said:
I'd like to say season ticket holders would likely to get a "presale", but the Rangers have shown that's really just a selling gimmick as the standard season ticket holder presale password is re-used and non-season ticket holders use it all the time.
And just like clockwork. Can we all guess what this morning's "exclusive season ticket holder" password is for the drive-in concerts? I bet it will only take people one guess!
(and $50 to sit in your car and hear acoustic music piped in through your radio? Talk about out-of-touch.)
AccidentProne said:I just have to disagree. If I paid for a full season (81 games), I'm entitled to all of those games. Now there is a proposed shortened season of 81 total games, which would amount to approx. 40 home games, and you're telling me I can only go to 10 of the 40 games I'm entitled to? I'm just not doing that, unless you give me some incentive, and it better be good. Something like value of the games I can't go to rolled over to 2021 plus a 10% bonus and a guarantee that my price will not increase. And if I premium seats, my annual cost escalator should be waived going into 2021.DallasAg 94 said:You are right. My situation is much better. It is telling people that have already purchased tickets they can go to 25% of the games... or 0%.AccidentProne said:
Neither a sellout nor a reducing capacity in the new stadium is the same as the situation as you're proposing. Operating at25%0% capacity means telling people that have already purchased tickets that they can't go.
Baseball is based on failure. Getting a base hit 25% of the time will get you MILLIONS of dollars.
People ask me all the time why I am so optimistic. I grew up loving and playing a sport in which significant failure is expected. If you fail (get out) 70% of the time, you are doing pretty good.
They paid for 81 games. You give them a refund of 7/8 of what they paid. Now they have paid for and are entitled to 10 games. Surely you aren't suggesting that there would be no refunds? If that's what you are suggesting, then yes people would obviously have major problems with only getting 10 or 20 games when they paid for 81.
But I guess that you are suggesting that there would be no refunds but that the value of the missed games is rolled over to the next year. That seems absurd. I can't imagine a team doing that and not offering a refund. If they want to give the season ticket holders an option of rolling over and receiving a bonus or getting a full refund, then that would be fine. But the refund has to be an option in my opinion.
They'll offer a refund but they are likely going to make it much harder than it should be to obtain one.
Essentially all it does is push people in the future to just buy on the secondary (either with their partners selling or Rangers dumping direct) -- which if it's Stubhub the team still gets a healthy cut.
It all sounds good until the music stops and demand plummets, then they start trying to win those loyal season ticket holders back.
Essentially all it does is push people in the future to just buy on the secondary (either with their partners selling or Rangers dumping direct) -- which if it's Stubhub the team still gets a healthy cut.
It all sounds good until the music stops and demand plummets, then they start trying to win those loyal season ticket holders back.
PatAg said:Is that for the same show the Ticket was randomly promoting last week too?Proposition Joe said:Proposition Joe said:
I'd like to say season ticket holders would likely to get a "presale", but the Rangers have shown that's really just a selling gimmick as the standard season ticket holder presale password is re-used and non-season ticket holders use it all the time.
And just like clockwork. Can we all guess what this morning's "exclusive season ticket holder" password is for the drive-in concerts? I bet it will only take people one guess!
(and $50 to sit in your car and hear acoustic music piped in through your radio? Talk about out-of-touch.)
They weren't promoting it, they just heard about the drive-in style shows and had previously talked about how that DJ announced a similar tour last week that's stopping in Fort Worth at the Coyote drive-in.
You guys are picturing a scenario that is way too complicated than it's really going to be.
If Rangers go to 25% capacity, 10-game plan holders will get account credit (or a refund if they push it). The 25% capacity games will be sold separately.... Maybe STH/plan-holders will get an early presale for it (likely with a generic "RANGERS" code!).
If Rangers go to 25% capacity, 10-game plan holders will get account credit (or a refund if they push it). The 25% capacity games will be sold separately.... Maybe STH/plan-holders will get an early presale for it (likely with a generic "RANGERS" code!).
I think we are trying to say the same thing, but in different ways.
In no way am I implying that the value of unplayed games, or in the scenario I mentioned, wouldn't at the very least carry over to the following season. Yes, it is the same policy as the postseason. Which, coincidentally enough, also comes with an option to receive a refund instead of carrying the credit over.
I don't see how it's remotely possible to consider limiting capacity to 25%. It's a logistical nightmare, and you'd be better served just not having fans. I imagine MLB and MLBPA will come to a resolution by June 1, and my gut tells me it would be an 80 game season with no fans.
If the above occurs, we will likely start pushing renewals out in June/July. I could see STHs be given the option to apply 5% of their credit as a deposit, and then have the option to leave the remainder on the account, or have it refunded. And then another 15% would be due in the Fall to get you up to the 20% threshold that is normally required to keep your seats reserved. Then, the remainder would be due in January.
In no way am I implying that the value of unplayed games, or in the scenario I mentioned, wouldn't at the very least carry over to the following season. Yes, it is the same policy as the postseason. Which, coincidentally enough, also comes with an option to receive a refund instead of carrying the credit over.
I don't see how it's remotely possible to consider limiting capacity to 25%. It's a logistical nightmare, and you'd be better served just not having fans. I imagine MLB and MLBPA will come to a resolution by June 1, and my gut tells me it would be an 80 game season with no fans.
If the above occurs, we will likely start pushing renewals out in June/July. I could see STHs be given the option to apply 5% of their credit as a deposit, and then have the option to leave the remainder on the account, or have it refunded. And then another 15% would be due in the Fall to get you up to the 20% threshold that is normally required to keep your seats reserved. Then, the remainder would be due in January.
Good news is the organization inquired how many mounds were still available at the ballpark. I personally don't think owners want a season so they'll stick with their proposal, knowing PA won't accept and then say, "hey, the players were the ones that said know. We gave them a chance."
AP - why do you think 25% would be such a logistical nightmare?
I imagine it's not hard to restrict sales to every 6th seat or so.
IMO it would only become difficult if you tried to convert previously made sales (STH, plans, single-game) into that 25%, which you wouldn't do.
I imagine it's not hard to restrict sales to every 6th seat or so.
IMO it would only become difficult if you tried to convert previously made sales (STH, plans, single-game) into that 25%, which you wouldn't do.
I think assigning seats is probably easy. Facilitating ingress, egress, concessions, etc. while maintaining a 6ft standard would be difficult. It's still 10k people + staff.
AccidentProne said:
If the above occurs, we will likely start pushing renewals out in June/July. I could see STHs be given the option to apply 5% of their credit as a deposit, and then have the option to leave the remainder on the account, or have it refunded. And then another 15% would be due in the Fall to get you up to the 20% threshold that is normally required to keep your seats reserved. Then, the remainder would be due in January.
I think this would be fair. Rangers still get their deposit money which is 99% of the way there as far as full payment/conversion, but fans still get the option to get the bulk of their $$$ outlay out so they haven't had this money held by the Rangers for 14 months.
If FO was smart, they'd offer multiple types of incentives to STH simply for leaving the entire money with them... offer up 10% of the STH total in Captains Cash or a signed Gallo ball for the customers who are more interested in "perks", and offer up 5% discount on total renewal price for the customers that are more interested in cash money.
Hell, even throw in a third option lotto ticket for customers of "if Texas makes the World Series next year, no extra charge for the WS tickets".
There are a ton of different ways to make the season ticket holder base feel exclusive and taken care of. Reference the Dallas Mavericks in how they handle things. But no communication about refunds, generic season ticket holder passwords and the like really start to make the season ticket holder feel like all the FO cares about is their money.
sburg2007 said:
Good news is the organization inquired how many mounds were still available at the ballpark. I personally don't think owners want a season so they'll stick with their proposal, knowing PA won't accept and then say, "hey, the players were the ones that said know. We gave them a chance."
I don't think there's a planet where the owners don't want a season of some sort. The organizations are all going to have trouble and look like crap if they don't actually try to negotiate something.
Bingo Bango Bongo said:
I think assigning seats is probably easy. Facilitating ingress, egress, concessions, etc. while maintaining a 6ft standard would be difficult. It's still 10k people + staff.
Eh... You're talking 10,000 people. Using the old park as an example -- there's 7 entrances, so roughly 1500 people per entrance.
Require specific entrance time slots (and if you can't make that time slot you end up in the last / general time slot that might have your entry delayed). For a 7:20 first-pitch, 300 people enter at 6:00, 300 people enter at 6:20, 300 people enter at 6:40, 300 people enter at 7:00, etc...
With a stadium so large with so many entrances and everyone using a mobile device, getting people in and out easily is just a matter of developing a good process.
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