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Damn good deal
I'm still pissed about this offseason and we've done nothing to rectify our dumpster fire azz lineup, but the pitching situation definitely looks a lot better than last year.
Kluber basically needs to come in and not be a bust or get hurt again. Shouldn't be too much to ask right?
Kluber basically needs to come in and not be a bust or get hurt again. Shouldn't be too much to ask right?
If all we gave up was DeShields and Clase I'm all over this trade. The upside of Kluber is worth taking on the salary. We have other minor league RHP relief options that are similar to Clase. And DeShields is just a guy, he has speed but doesn't hit and has a noodle arm in the OF. We can pick up a CF off the scrap heap on a one year deal to bide time until Taveras is ready.
Or maybe we give Taveras a shot, I think he needs one more year though. I believe he has moved up steadily one level per year. A to AA, to AAA. He typically doesn't hit much at first until he adjusts to the new level (if I recall correctly), so he may need a full AAA season. Or maybe we roll him out there knowing he won't hit much at first Just got online today so I'll have to read up on what the beats are saying about CF options later today when I get some time.
Or maybe we give Taveras a shot, I think he needs one more year though. I believe he has moved up steadily one level per year. A to AA, to AAA. He typically doesn't hit much at first until he adjusts to the new level (if I recall correctly), so he may need a full AAA season. Or maybe we roll him out there knowing he won't hit much at first Just got online today so I'll have to read up on what the beats are saying about CF options later today when I get some time.
Delino gone!!!!!!!!!
I think Santana could play everyday at CF now.KT 90 said:
If all we gave up was DeShields and Clase I'm all over this trade. The upside of Kluber is worth taking on the salary. We have other minor league RHP relief options that are similar to Clase. And DeShields is just a guy, he has speed but doesn't hit and has a noodle arm in the OF. We can pick up a CF off the scrap heap on a one year deal to bide time until Taveras is ready.
Or maybe we give Taveras a shot, I think he needs one more year though. I believe he has moved up steadily one level per year. A to AA, to AAA. He typically doesn't hit much at first until he adjusts to the new level (if I recall correctly), so he may need a full AAA season. Or maybe we roll him out there knowing he won't hit much at first Just got online today so I'll have to read up on what the beats are saying about CF options later today when I get some time.
Kluber
Minor
Lynn
Gibson
Lyles
C Trevino/Mathis
1b Guzman
2b Odor
Ss Andrus
3b solak
Lf calhoun
Cf santana
Rf gallo
Dh choo
Minor
Lynn
Gibson
Lyles
C Trevino/Mathis
1b Guzman
2b Odor
Ss Andrus
3b solak
Lf calhoun
Cf santana
Rf gallo
Dh choo
Santana played circles around Odor this year.DallasAg 94 said:Grapesoda2525 said:I think Santana could play everyday at CF now.KT 90 said:
If all we gave up was DeShields and Clase I'm all over this trade. The upside of Kluber is worth taking on the salary. We have other minor league RHP relief options that are similar to Clase. And DeShields is just a guy, he has speed but doesn't hit and has a noodle arm in the OF. We can pick up a CF off the scrap heap on a one year deal to bide time until Taveras is ready.
Or maybe we give Taveras a shot, I think he needs one more year though. I believe he has moved up steadily one level per year. A to AA, to AAA. He typically doesn't hit much at first until he adjusts to the new level (if I recall correctly), so he may need a full AAA season. Or maybe we roll him out there knowing he won't hit much at first Just got online today so I'll have to read up on what the beats are saying about CF options later today when I get some time.
That would make us BOTH happy. Probably most of Rangers fans on TexAgs...You will be happy Santana is playing everyday, and will end the demand he play 2B. And I will no longer have to tell you that Santana is an everyday player... just not a Middle IFer.
2019 was all about : "why isn't Santana playing everyday over Odor who is struggling?
2020 will be about : " why are we benching solak when he's a much better hitter than odor?
No clue if Kluber can bounce back, and i really liked Clase... but I will never complain about selling high on a bullpen arm.
Really like this move, and for what we gave up, the risk/reward makes it a steal. He gets a lot of hate, but I think it's a savvy move by JD.
Pitching appears to be improving. I can dig it
Certainly last year was concerning, but the injuries Kluber dealt with didn't involve the shoulder or elbow at least. Given what he's being paid, you either get a very cheap ace if he returns to form, or a fair price on a solid #3. The risk is easily worth it. To give up bullpen piece and a light-hitting 4th OF, for a 2-time CY winner and potential legit ace, is a steal.
They also kept the prospects that any deal for a Bryant or Arenado would require.
They also kept the prospects that any deal for a Bryant or Arenado would require.
Apparently 2021 team option coverts to vesting option for $18MM if he pitches 160 innings.
cmiller00 said:
Apparently 2021 team option coverts to vesting option for $18MM if he pitches 160 innings.
Yes, I saw that somewhere on twitter. THis is fine though, if he pitches 160 innings that means he is healthy and likely very worth the money anyway.
cmiller00 said:
Apparently 2021 team option coverts to vesting option for $18MM if he pitches 160 innings.
Basically you're getting Corey Kluber potential for JA Happ money.
This is true. But I wouldn't mind having Santana in the supersub role playing all over and also being an occasional DH. But there are worse options for CF though if he can hit like he did last year.Grapesoda2525 said:I think Santana could play everyday at CF now.KT 90 said:
If all we gave up was DeShields and Clase I'm all over this trade. The upside of Kluber is worth taking on the salary. We have other minor league RHP relief options that are similar to Clase. And DeShields is just a guy, he has speed but doesn't hit and has a noodle arm in the OF. We can pick up a CF off the scrap heap on a one year deal to bide time until Taveras is ready.
Or maybe we give Taveras a shot, I think he needs one more year though. I believe he has moved up steadily one level per year. A to AA, to AAA. He typically doesn't hit much at first until he adjusts to the new level (if I recall correctly), so he may need a full AAA season. Or maybe we roll him out there knowing he won't hit much at first Just got online today so I'll have to read up on what the beats are saying about CF options later today when I get some time.
Rangers get cash back too from what I saw. It may or may not work out but it sure seems like a smart risk.
Agree. Like the deal.
Feel like we aren't done.
Feel like we aren't done.
cmiller00 said:
Agree. Like the deal.
Feel like we aren't done.
yep. We need another bat to upgrade at least one of: 3b/1b/ca. Castenallos perhaps?
DallasAg 94 said:The cash appears to be half the amount for the 2021 buyout... about $500k. About the price of one serf.Ranger #007 said:
Rangers get cash back too from what I saw. It may or may not work out but it sure seems like a smart risk.
Certainly wasn't any major offsetting money, but I'll take it. DD and Clase for a shot at a true ace is pretty damned solid.
Hopefully they get somebody. It'd be nice to at least have meaningful baseball in August.
Pillar?
Just pulled this up from mlb.com, I think it is a little dated as Gardner resigned with the Yanks I believe. But these are the free agent CF options. So I can see a one year make do deal with one of Pillar, Dyson, or Hamilton. At least Dyson and Hamilton offer a speed offering to go with the defense. I believe Pillar has been slipping the past few years, but he still had a 1.5 WAR so maybe I just haven't noticed him. He used to be pretty solid defense with some occasional pop, but doesn't provide the speed you'd get from Hamilton or Dyson.
https://www.mlb.com/news/2020-mlb-free-agents-by-position
Center fielders
Brett Gardner (36 years old, 3.6 WAR)
Kevin Pillar (31, 1.5)
Jarrod Dyson (35, 1.3)
Billy Hamilton (29, 0.4)
Guillermo Heredia (29, 0.3)
Erick Mejia (25, 0.0)
Carlos Gmez (34, -0.1)
Mason Williams (28, -0.1) -- signed Minors deal with BAL (11/22)
Leonys Martin (32, -0.6)
JT Riddle (28, -0.6)
Keon Broxton (30, -0.8) -- signed Minors deal with MIL (12/8)
Juan Lagares (31, -0.8)
Shogo Akiyama (32, N/A)
Jacoby Ellsbury (36, N/A)
Austin Jackson (33, N/A)
https://www.mlb.com/news/2020-mlb-free-agents-by-position
Center fielders
Brett Gardner (36 years old, 3.6 WAR)
Kevin Pillar (31, 1.5)
Jarrod Dyson (35, 1.3)
Billy Hamilton (29, 0.4)
Guillermo Heredia (29, 0.3)
Erick Mejia (25, 0.0)
Carlos Gmez (34, -0.1)
Mason Williams (28, -0.1) -- signed Minors deal with BAL (11/22)
Leonys Martin (32, -0.6)
JT Riddle (28, -0.6)
Keon Broxton (30, -0.8) -- signed Minors deal with MIL (12/8)
Juan Lagares (31, -0.8)
Shogo Akiyama (32, N/A)
Jacoby Ellsbury (36, N/A)
Austin Jackson (33, N/A)
ha! just posted a list with Pillar on there.hawk1689 said:
Pillar?
Don't really care for pillar to be honest.hawk1689 said:
Pillar?
I'd rather see us bring in ellsbury or Austin jackson.
I really don't see how anybody from the 2015 Blue Jays could come to Texas.
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