Julie said he was making faces during Josh's speech. Was this caught on camera? I don't remember seeing it
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Finally watched the finale. Paul is such a horrible person and it was incredibly gratifying watching him lose they way he did. I am not a fan of Josh and think he is immature for a 15 year old, much less a 23 year old, but I think he is a genuine person.
Paul played the better game, no question, but there is something to be said about respect. Paul calling Josh a coward for his goodbye messages was a perfect summation of Paul. Zero recognition of his own cowardice and having everyone else do his dirty work. That all came into play when the jury gave their vote.
After such a ****ty season, what a perfect ending!
Paul played the better game, no question, but there is something to be said about respect. Paul calling Josh a coward for his goodbye messages was a perfect summation of Paul. Zero recognition of his own cowardice and having everyone else do his dirty work. That all came into play when the jury gave their vote.
After such a ****ty season, what a perfect ending!
I've heard a lot of houseguest, even the ones that made it far, talk about how they really liked Jillian and think they'll be friends with her after the game. Meech even said it on an interview about meeting her. Too bad none of that came through on tv. She seemed outwardly boring on the show.
Making faces, pointing to himself when Josh talked about things that he did, generally being a jerk. Arrogant to the end.4stringAg said:
Julie said he was making faces during Josh's speech. Was this caught on camera? I don't remember seeing it
I saw it posted on Reddit that Cody/Mark/Elena/Alex/Jason all made a pact to vote against Paul. Apparently that was the promise Cody said he was keeping when cast his Cote first.
Not sure what the source is but I've seen it mentioned a couple times today.
Not sure what the source is but I've seen it mentioned a couple times today.
Yeah I'm beginning to think that the Raven jury rumor of blowing up Paul's game by talking about knowing him before the show is true.
With that said... Even if it didn't happen, Paul butchered his jury questions and argument by trying to act like he wasn't responsible for a lot of the moves in the house, then doubling down on this "disadvantage" of being the only returning vet. Even in interviews he did today after a night to think about it, he still doesn't get it. Just keeps repeating the same things. And his interviews today be basically says if you don't agree with him then "sign up for bb 2 years in a row."
As if Joe public has the ability to do that.
With that said... Even if it didn't happen, Paul butchered his jury questions and argument by trying to act like he wasn't responsible for a lot of the moves in the house, then doubling down on this "disadvantage" of being the only returning vet. Even in interviews he did today after a night to think about it, he still doesn't get it. Just keeps repeating the same things. And his interviews today be basically says if you don't agree with him then "sign up for bb 2 years in a row."
As if Joe public has the ability to do that.
I have a feeling it's going to be tough for Paul once he grasps how much the fan base hated him this year.
The only other person I think will have it tougher is Raven. She's psychotic and all but the crazy BB fans on reddit/Twitter are vicious. It's not going to be pretty.
The only other person I think will have it tougher is Raven. She's psychotic and all but the crazy BB fans on reddit/Twitter are vicious. It's not going to be pretty.
It's all good guys...Paul lives at home and will be getting hugs from momma to Comfort him when he wonders why America is so bad bad and the jury was so mean
I'm not misremembering things from last season am I? Paul was really popular right? I know I liked him, but didn't most everyone like him as well?
I'm pretty sure Paul was popular last year. What changed things in my opinion was the whole Paul leading his minions to bully the crap out of everybody on outs, especially Jess and Cody.
For sure, that's what finally changed my opinion on him... and I loved him on last season.
I think he's definitely bought into his own bull**** and d-list celebrityness from last year as well.
I think he's definitely bought into his own bull**** and d-list celebrityness from last year as well.
Yeah, I can only imagine what these people go through after the show. They feel all famous and popular now, but in a month nobody but the hardcore lunatics on Twitter/Reddit care anymore.
After talking to a couple of people yesterday, then including my wife's opinion, I don't think Paul will have any troubles at all.
Like it or not, the majority of people that watch the show have zero idea of what happened that CBS didn't air nor discuss. My small anecdotal sample size is 3 for 3 that Paul got screwed.
The hardcore fans that watch the feeds are probably the ones that take their 20 votes for AFP per day and max them out. The casual fans, the majority, are clueless, and likely don't vote at all. IMO, nothing factual for me to prove my theory.
Like it or not, the majority of people that watch the show have zero idea of what happened that CBS didn't air nor discuss. My small anecdotal sample size is 3 for 3 that Paul got screwed.
The hardcore fans that watch the feeds are probably the ones that take their 20 votes for AFP per day and max them out. The casual fans, the majority, are clueless, and likely don't vote at all. IMO, nothing factual for me to prove my theory.
Paul lost because he is a fake person. Paul came off to me as anti-social. A total sociopath. He didn't make any real connections with people from his side. He had zero emotion for anyone else but himself. If he wasn't a sociopath maybe he wins.
The best example of this is Paul's fake crying, then when only Josh is left in the room his crying turns into a huge grin. You see Josh's eyes get huge in shock and Josh in the diary said "I just saw the devil."
Paul's entire game was based on deciet, like the devil, like Josh said. Every connection he made was fake. His goodbye videos were fake. You saw how Jason reacted. Alex and Jason realized even though they had a friendship with Paul, Paul didn't view it that way. Paul saw everyone as a chess pieces, not people.
I also noticed Paul never showed any real emotion for another player. The only times his emotion wasn't fake was when he won HOH to be final 3, and when he lost to Josh.
Josh, now Josh struggled with some of his votes because he saw his friends on the show as people, not chess pieces, but he knew he was playing a game, so he went against his emotional bond. Paul had no emotional bond. Then, in his exit speeches he still tries to be all buddy buddy.
The guys who voted for Josh just weren't going to reward a sociopath who used them and is a fake person. Everyone hated Josh because he was immature, but in the end Paul paid for his deceit and lack of emotions and Josh was rewarded for at least some honesty and integrity despite his rudeness and crying fits. Alex's comment was on point... "voting for the person who stabbed me in the front instead of the back."
And in the end the only ones who voted for Paul were also sociopathic fake people. Raven especially, but Christmas too came across as very fake. Matt, he was just a tool he just sat happily on the block as a pawn and won no competitions and he paired up with a psycho. Kevin, I don't know what to say about Kevin's vote he just didn't connect with Josh and thought Josh was an immature idiot and since Paul took Kevin to the final 4 he didn't take Paul's behavior personally. But Paul even told Kevin that Christmas went rogue.... I mean c'mon that isn't even necessary. Paul is pathological.
And watching Raven rub all over Paul at the end was just weird.
The best example of this is Paul's fake crying, then when only Josh is left in the room his crying turns into a huge grin. You see Josh's eyes get huge in shock and Josh in the diary said "I just saw the devil."
Paul's entire game was based on deciet, like the devil, like Josh said. Every connection he made was fake. His goodbye videos were fake. You saw how Jason reacted. Alex and Jason realized even though they had a friendship with Paul, Paul didn't view it that way. Paul saw everyone as a chess pieces, not people.
I also noticed Paul never showed any real emotion for another player. The only times his emotion wasn't fake was when he won HOH to be final 3, and when he lost to Josh.
Josh, now Josh struggled with some of his votes because he saw his friends on the show as people, not chess pieces, but he knew he was playing a game, so he went against his emotional bond. Paul had no emotional bond. Then, in his exit speeches he still tries to be all buddy buddy.
The guys who voted for Josh just weren't going to reward a sociopath who used them and is a fake person. Everyone hated Josh because he was immature, but in the end Paul paid for his deceit and lack of emotions and Josh was rewarded for at least some honesty and integrity despite his rudeness and crying fits. Alex's comment was on point... "voting for the person who stabbed me in the front instead of the back."
And in the end the only ones who voted for Paul were also sociopathic fake people. Raven especially, but Christmas too came across as very fake. Matt, he was just a tool he just sat happily on the block as a pawn and won no competitions and he paired up with a psycho. Kevin, I don't know what to say about Kevin's vote he just didn't connect with Josh and thought Josh was an immature idiot and since Paul took Kevin to the final 4 he didn't take Paul's behavior personally. But Paul even told Kevin that Christmas went rogue.... I mean c'mon that isn't even necessary. Paul is pathological.
And watching Raven rub all over Paul at the end was just weird.
When asked in robs backyard interview if raven thought paul remembered her from when they met before the show, she said "big time". She probably banged him.
ccaggie05 said:
I saw it posted on Reddit that Cody/Mark/Elena/Alex/Jason all made a pact to vote against Paul. Apparently that was the promise Cody said he was keeping when cast his Cote first.
Not sure what the source is but I've seen it mentioned a couple times today.
Cody essentially confirmed this in his backyard interview with Rob from RHAP. Despite it being pretty clear that there were some questions/topics that were off limits for the interviewers, Rob's interviews were pretty good, better than Dr. Will's. I especially liked his interview with Raven and suggest watching it if you want another laugh (around the 1:11:00 mark).
and Matt continued to talk crap with Mark and Cody in Jury House. He's such a wuss, couldn't back anything up if he ever had to, he would run and hide like wuss Paul.bmks270 said:
Paul lost because he is a fake person. Paul came off to me as anti-social. A total sociopath. He didn't make any real connections with people from his side. He had zero emotion for anyone else but himself. If he wasn't a sociopath maybe he wins.
The best example of this is Paul's fake crying, then when only Josh is left in the room his crying turns into a huge grin. You see Josh's eyes get huge in shock and Josh in the diary said "I just saw the devil."
Paul's entire game was based on deciet, like the devil, like Josh said. Every connection he made was fake. His goodbye videos were fake. You saw how Jason reacted. Alex and Jason realized even though they had a friendship with Paul, Paul didn't view it that way. Paul saw everyone as a chess pieces, not people.
I also noticed Paul never showed any real emotion for another player. The only times his emotion wasn't fake was when he won HOH to be final 3, and when he lost to Josh.
Josh, now Josh struggled with some of his votes because he saw his friends on the show as people, not chess pieces, but he knew he was playing a game, so he went against his emotional bond. Paul had no emotional bond. Then, in his exit speeches he still tries to be all buddy buddy.
The guys who voted for Josh just weren't going to reward a sociopath who used them and is a fake person. Everyone hated Josh because he was immature, but in the end Paul paid for his deceit and lack of emotions and Josh was rewarded for at least some honesty and integrity despite his rudeness and crying fits. Alex's comment was on point... "voting for the person who stabbed me in the front instead of the back."
And in the end the only ones who voted for Paul were also sociopathic fake people. Raven especially, but Christmas too came across as very fake. Matt, he was just a tool he just sat happily on the block as a pawn and won no competitions and he paired up with a psycho. Kevin, I don't know what to say about Kevin's vote he just didn't connect with Josh and thought Josh was an immature idiot and since Paul took Kevin to the final 4 he didn't take Paul's behavior personally. But Paul even told Kevin that Christmas went rogue.... I mean c'mon that isn't even necessary. Paul is pathological.
And watching Raven rub all over Paul at the end was just weird.
Matt's arguing was more pathetic than his game play. Tells Mark, who is sitting down, to 'sit down'.HTownAg said:and Matt continued to talk crap with Mark and Cody in Jury House. He's such a wuss, couldn't back anything up if he ever had to, he would run and hide like wuss Paul.bmks270 said:
Paul lost because he is a fake person. Paul came off to me as anti-social. A total sociopath. He didn't make any real connections with people from his side. He had zero emotion for anyone else but himself. If he wasn't a sociopath maybe he wins.
The best example of this is Paul's fake crying, then when only Josh is left in the room his crying turns into a huge grin. You see Josh's eyes get huge in shock and Josh in the diary said "I just saw the devil."
Paul's entire game was based on deciet, like the devil, like Josh said. Every connection he made was fake. His goodbye videos were fake. You saw how Jason reacted. Alex and Jason realized even though they had a friendship with Paul, Paul didn't view it that way. Paul saw everyone as a chess pieces, not people.
I also noticed Paul never showed any real emotion for another player. The only times his emotion wasn't fake was when he won HOH to be final 3, and when he lost to Josh.
Josh, now Josh struggled with some of his votes because he saw his friends on the show as people, not chess pieces, but he knew he was playing a game, so he went against his emotional bond. Paul had no emotional bond. Then, in his exit speeches he still tries to be all buddy buddy.
The guys who voted for Josh just weren't going to reward a sociopath who used them and is a fake person. Everyone hated Josh because he was immature, but in the end Paul paid for his deceit and lack of emotions and Josh was rewarded for at least some honesty and integrity despite his rudeness and crying fits. Alex's comment was on point... "voting for the person who stabbed me in the front instead of the back."
And in the end the only ones who voted for Paul were also sociopathic fake people. Raven especially, but Christmas too came across as very fake. Matt, he was just a tool he just sat happily on the block as a pawn and won no competitions and he paired up with a psycho. Kevin, I don't know what to say about Kevin's vote he just didn't connect with Josh and thought Josh was an immature idiot and since Paul took Kevin to the final 4 he didn't take Paul's behavior personally. But Paul even told Kevin that Christmas went rogue.... I mean c'mon that isn't even necessary. Paul is pathological.
And watching Raven rub all over Paul at the end was just weird.
Matt and Raven are probably the most worthless people on this planet. Their combination of stupidity, apathy, delusion, and inflated self worth is quite impressive.
Sex Panther said:
I'm not misremembering things from last season am I? Paul was really popular right? I know I liked him, but didn't most everyone like him as well?
Paul was definitely liked last year. He and Vic were the underdogs and he had great commentary on the house.
Grodner of course thought that would go great with an immediate return to the house, but I've got to say I'm so happy to stop hearing all of his buzz phrases that the rest of the house used all year. I think even before his game caused America to dislike him, his "character" was wearing thin on people.
As for this year and gameplay, Paul's only major whiff was mentioned just a few posts up and it's that he wasn't real with people. He foolishly thought he could stay behind the scenes and be a puppet master and lie to everyone who was on "his" side, create fake friendships, and without ever owning it (before they were evicted, during goodbye messages, and most importantly during jury questions) that people would just laugh it off and say "I vote for Paul. #friendship."
I hate bitter juries. He deserved to win. But I'm happy with the result.
this ^WelchAg said:
Matt and Raven are probably the most worthless people on this planet. Their combination of stupidity, apathy, delusion, and inflated self worth is quite impressive.
Ravens interview was hilarious. He trolled her so hard over and over and she was clueless.
Mark and Elena's interview was awesome. They SOOOO hate Matt and Raven.
And listening to Matt, he still doesn't get that either. He even says he's friends with Mark, he's a cool guy.
https://instagr.am/p/BZUQq8nHpAI
so basically...any misconceptions were all the fault of America. Cody really was a bad guy, and if you disagree, he never cared.
I don't know what he's talking about re: Cody and lying about where he served, etc. I was reading updates every day and watching feeds early on and don't remember that at all.
And the craziest part about all of it was that he got the most protected CBS edit I've ever seen. They tried so hard to make him look good.
so basically...any misconceptions were all the fault of America. Cody really was a bad guy, and if you disagree, he never cared.
I don't know what he's talking about re: Cody and lying about where he served, etc. I was reading updates every day and watching feeds early on and don't remember that at all.
And the craziest part about all of it was that he got the most protected CBS edit I've ever seen. They tried so hard to make him look good.
He "never cared" and yet he wrote a 500-word essay about all of it.
You know his is just killing him inside. The first thing he did was check in on how everyone viewed him this season. It hasn't even been 48 hours.
WelchAg said:
Matt and Raven are probably the most worthless people on this planet. Their combination of stupidity, apathy, delusion, and inflated self worth is quite impressive.
Well, Matt was wearing tsip gear all the time.
WelchAg said:
You know his is just killing him inside. The first thing he did was check in on how everyone viewed him this season. It hasn't even been 48 hours.
Yeah. One night on the feeds earlier on when everyone was doing their "tell me more, Paul!" bull*****..he was telling all of them to not go back and look themselves up on social media. Just appreciate the fans, **** the haters, but don't go digging into stuff.
He was so confident and smooth about saying it, as if he has some extra level ability to just shed the haters. Took all of 1 day before a massive diatribe is released, along with the douchiest photo in the world.
Pretty sure the only person who actually wont' go look at a damn thing is Cody. Dude gives zero ****s. I did like his passion in the Rob interview...you could tell he's pissed that his season sucked. He wanted there to actually be a competition this year. Hopefully those morons Grodner and Kass were listening.
Justification is a tool stubborn people use to feel better about themselves.Bunk Moreland said:
https://instagr.am/p/BZUQq8nHpAI
so basically...any misconceptions were all the fault of America. Cody really was a bad guy, and if you disagree, he never cared.
I don't know what he's talking about re: Cody and lying about where he served, etc. I was reading updates every day and watching feeds early on and don't remember that at all.
And the craziest part about all of it was that he got the most protected CBS edit I've ever seen. They tried so hard to make him look good.
It's evident his comments on why he lost 'I don't know' should be 'I'll never know'.
Mark was the same. He's a BIG fan and is really disappointed that the hamsters this season are so very lame. He feels like he missed his big chance to really enjoy being on BB.
I think without the meddling in favor of Paul, Cody/Mark (Mody?) and their girls could have run the house to the end.
I think without the meddling in favor of Paul, Cody/Mark (Mody?) and their girls could have run the house to the end.
Beach Body is working for Rob!
Raven needs her ass kicked
"Fight em' till hell freezes over, then fight em' on ice"
MooreTrucker said:
Mark and Elena's interview was awesome. They SOOOO hate Matt and Raven.
And listening to Matt, he still doesn't get that either. He even says he's friends with Mark, he's a cool guy.
I think Ravens overplaying of being a friend of Paul and puppet master or whatever delusion she dreamt up out of her inverted spine impacted Mark and Elenas votes the most. Those two of all house guests had no reason to vote for Josh given how bad he treated them but they did which ought to speak loudly to Paul about what they thought about his game.
And maybe Raven does have an inverted spine because her head is clearly up her ass.
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