Batman vs. Superman
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Last: 8 yr ago by Brian Earl Spilner
Snyder's comments today on why Grant Guston didnt "fit" as the Flash proves he has no idea how to bring these characters to the screen.
quote:quote:And yet, I said over and over to take their reaction with a grain of salt because they're heavily involved with the movie.
So I guess TC's insider friend at WB didn't quite pan out?
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Snyder's comments today on why Grant Guston didnt "fit" as the Flash proves he has no idea how to bring these characters to the screen.
Those comments were bunk. Gustin is a great flash. Fun and optimistic, with a boyish charm. We get it, everything has to be dark and gritty. Enough of that BS.
So then what's the deal with all those Twitters that came out earlier about how great it was, best CBM ever, etc.?
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So then what's the deal with all those Twitters that came out earlier about how great it was, best CBM ever, etc.?
Those were fan reactions.
quote:Well, I tend to put more stock in fan reactions than critics anyway. More real, less pretentious to me.quote:
So then what's the deal with all those Twitters that came out earlier about how great it was, best CBM ever, etc.?
Those were fan reactions.
Fan reactions from the premiere are always, without fail, insanely positive. The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Tron Legacy, Man of Steel, Fantastic Four... they all went down that way. There's something about being "first," combined with the high of being at the premiere, that just completely clouds people's judgement.
It's like Comic Con. I saw the first episode of Once Upon a Time and people acted like it was Breaking Bad level good. It's a big party and people over inflate how good it is.
I saw Lets Be Cops at a special advanced screening at the Alamo Drafthouse with a packed, enthusiastic house, and the cast of the movie doing a Q&A afterwards...
Everyone (myself included) would've told you afterwards it was the funniest movie of the year.
Everyone (myself included) would've told you afterwards it was the funniest movie of the year.
quote:quote:Well, I tend to put more stock in fan reactions than critics anyway. More real, less pretentious to me.quote:
So then what's the deal with all those Twitters that came out earlier about how great it was, best CBM ever, etc.?
Those were fan reactions.
That's how I feel too. I'm too big of a fan of these characters to watch it objectively anyway. If it's even mediocre, I'm going to love it just because it's those three characters on screen together.
I understand that attitude, even though I don't subscribe to it. If Marvel screwed up Captain America as much as WB is screwing over Superman, I'd be boycotting the movies. Snyder's vision for the Flash (my favorite DC character) will keep me away from that sure-to-be POS, too.
Walked by this a few weekends ago and immediately thought of this scene from I Am Legend.
quote:Grab Timm along with Scott Snyder, current Batman writer and co-writer of a ton of other Batman titles. The Court of Owls storyline would make a killer Batflick, guy just understands the character and knows how to tell stories.quote:And bring in Bruce Timm to run the damn thing.
Get rid of freaking Zach Snyder
Down to 39% on 41 reviews. Woof.
If Affleck is as good as I'm thinking he will be, I would kill for a Court of Owls movie directed by him... and somehow set in Boston.
In any case, I'm still totally in for this (prob early in the week after opening weekend), just with low expectations.
After seeing some previews, it is basically Superman vs fat Ironman with horns?
Boy, just watched a review from one of the critics I follow and they revealed something about Batman that I'm severely unhappy with.
But I'll go see it next weekend. Won't have time this weekend
But I'll go see it next weekend. Won't have time this weekend
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Snyder's comments today on why Grant Guston didnt "fit" as the Flash proves he has no idea how to bring these characters to the screen.
Those comments were bunk. Gustin is a great flash. Fun and optimistic, with a boyish charm. We get it, everything has to be dark and gritty. Enough of that BS.
Agree. Just look at how Timm handled the Flash. He was the bright optimist in the JL that, without him, alternate version of the JL managed to go all totalitarian. When the JL went to Central City and Flash's Trickster showed up, the rest of the team was shocked at how Flash stopped them from wailing on him so he could help this unbalanced guy get help. He was faithful to his friends to the end... no angst or grimacing.
Timm is the answer to all of your problems, WB! You frickin idiots! He invented frickin Harley Quinn!
But see, the Nolan Batfilms were dark and brooding so everything has to be dark and brooding. Because that's obviously what the people want.
DC desperately needs their Feige, and it ain't Zack Snyder. Yet we all know this and can make a very short list of the guys who should be in the room.
DC desperately needs their Feige, and it ain't Zack Snyder. Yet we all know this and can make a very short list of the guys who should be in the room.
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But see, the Nolan Batfilms were dark and brooding so everything has to be dark and brooding. Because that's obviously what the people want.
DC desperately needs their Feige, and it ain't Zack Snyder. Yet we all know this and can make a very short list of the guys who should be in the room.
What's funny about that is they could have easily set the DCU up with the Nolanverse. They're already sorta doing it by putting their heroes in a "real world." Bats retires and in the meantime Supes shows up. Do a couple of those movies with an epic threat looming, and a recast Batman comes out of retirement.
Ultimately you're then at the same point you are now, but you still rope in the most successful franchise you've ever had. You can slowly make the world larger and more fantastic as needed.
Think about the fun you could have with that story arc. Bruce Wayne is dead. His heir had a brief career as Nightwing before being murdered by a Joker enraged by Batman's "death." Batman, the first real superhero called back into action, is aging and increasingly left behind in a world full of supermen, increasingly in need of his wits and detective skills to contribute. That's a compelling arc.
I don't think Nolan or Bale had any interest in an MCU style universe commitment
edit: Didn't read everything you said
edit: Didn't read everything you said
quote:Weren't the comics all dark and brooding even before the Nolan films?
But see, the Nolan Batfilms were dark and brooding so everything has to be dark and brooding. Because that's obviously what the people want.
DC desperately needs their Feige, and it ain't Zack Snyder. Yet we all know this and can make a very short list of the guys who should be in the room.
Batman in general is dark and brooding
Sure he is, but Superman generally isn't nor are the other characters they're bringing into this world.
It's like all they know is this singular tone that doesn't necessarily fit.
It's like all they know is this singular tone that doesn't necessarily fit.
quote:Snyder's comments about the Flash are prime evidence of this.
Sure he is, but Superman generally isn't nor are the other characters they're bringing into this world.
It's like all they know is this singular tone that doesn't necessarily fit.
quote:Like what? The joker killed his parents?
Boy, just watched a review from one of the critics I follow and they revealed something about Batman that I'm severely unhappy with.
But I'll go see it next weekend. Won't have time this weekend
quote:Yup, nails it.quote:Snyder's comments about the Flash are prime evidence of this.
Sure he is, but Superman generally isn't nor are the other characters they're bringing into this world.
It's like all they know is this singular tone that doesn't necessarily fit.
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Batman in general is dark and brooding
Dark and boring you mean?
That is why Batman stories rely on having colorful, AWESOME, and kinda zany villains.
If everyone gets all emo, the story will be all gravity and no fun. For comic book movies to work, IMO, there has to be some levity.
Exchanged my ticket for tomorrow to Friday. Figured it wasn't worth missing part of our Sweet 16 game to see it opening night.
quote:I would be infinitely more confident in any story he directed over the current team. And I'm betting (hoping) that he'd tilt it a bit towards the crime genre and give us some genuine World's Greatest Detective, something even Nolan didn't get right.
If Affleck is as good as I'm thinking he will be, I would kill for a Court of Owls movie directed by him... and somehow set in Boston.
I already had tickets for Friday because I hate opening nights for blockbuster movies. I am still holding out hope that it's just a divisive movie like MoS versus just bad.
I think the WB needs to hand the keys over to Affleck and let him run with it.
I think the WB needs to hand the keys over to Affleck and let him run with it.
Could not agree more. I say stop production on JL and get Affleck to do a solo Batman movie.
I'd kill to be a fly on the wall at WB the next few weeks.
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