amercer said:

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AGGies0311 said:

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That battering ram makes no sense.. The first order spent millions on a machine thats sole objective was to blast through walls..... the battering ram? Who approved that expense?

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I assume it was an end of the year budget spend. If Kylo tells you that you need to move a billion credits this month to keep accounting happy, what are you supposed to do?

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Well, you already developed a way to track ships through lightspeed. Maybe find a tech to scramble shields or penetrate them so you can bomb from orbit.

Or you know, jam outgoing signals so the distress call can't be sent

redline248 said:

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amercer said:

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AGGies0311 said:

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That battering ram makes no sense.. The first order spent millions on a machine thats sole objective was to blast through walls..... the battering ram? Who approved that expense?

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I assume it was an end of the year budget spend. If Kylo tells you that you need to move a billion credits this month to keep accounting happy, what are you supposed to do?

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Well, you already developed a way to track ships through lightspeed. Maybe find a tech to scramble shields or penetrate them so you can bomb from orbit.

Or you know, jam outgoing signals so the distress call can't be sent

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"We can put a man on the moon, but we can't even fix a horse's bones!"

How does the First Order gain power with that level of military incompetence? As a military officer, I've never understood how all these big, powerful military villains gain power through sheer tactical tomfoolery.

Finally saw it last night. Was not sure what to expect due to positive reviews from critics/friends and negative reactions online.

Loved it. Probably Top 3 Star Wars film for me, maybe Top 5.

Things I loved:

Throne room fight scene with Rey and Kylo Ren.

Falcon flight through Crait

Light speed into Snoke's ship in silence.

Lot of other stuff.

Things I didn't like:

Really just the casino scenes. Hated most of Finn and Rose's story. Felt they could have gone in a different direction to keep the story tighter and make more sense, while still keeping those two characters around to learn.

Dr. Watson said:

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AGGies0311 said:

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The more I cogitate on it the more I'm blown away by how stupid this film was... It took place over 12 hours.... Rey spent a day and a wake up on Luke's island..... now she's a Jedi .........

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Rey was clearly there longer than 12 hours. I think it's a case of Game of Thrones timeline juxtaposition.

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Dear gawd, I didn't even recognize this. Even the plot holes have plot holes.

After seeing it on Saturday and letting it stew yesterday, i liked the overall direction it took the story and I was fine with Luke's role and turning into a force ghost, the rebellion getting knocked down to a hand full people.
Laura dern was a waste, like others have said it should have been Akbar.
I wasn't sure if the whole casino planet thing was wasted or unneeded. It seemed like a lot of time to just get that kid with a rebel ring shot.
Superman Leia was silly. It wasn't her being in space that got me, it was her flyng through space that seemed so unneeded.
Snoke seemed wasted. He was just an ugly guy that somehow came to power in a few weeks. He just felt like an early level boss in a video game.
Phasma was wasted...again.
Snokes gaurds seemed awkward for some reason, like they seemed too slow on the up take before the fight.
Del Toro's character seemed wasted/unneeded as well.
And put me in the camp that doesn't think Rey's family was a bunch of no bodies.
The maz thing was completely unneeded. It was prequel bad.


I guess my biggest gripe was that it felt like they kept introdcing characters and locations solely to create new material for the books, comics, cartoons and video games to build out.

That said
The fight in the throne room was pretty good.
I liked Luke's performance and story.
Rey did a great job.
I loved the whole time spent on island Dagobah.
The porgs were well done. Enjoy you monies Disney.

Overall it was a solid atar wars movie that could have benefited from some time in the editing room.

BassCowboy33 said:

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How does the First Order gain power with that level of military incompetence? As a military officer, I've never understood how all these big, powerful military villains gain power through sheer tactical tomfoolery.

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Hence the reason for the Casino scenes.

I said it earlier, I don't think the Casino crap was thrown in there for the sake of finding the codebreaker but as a lead-in to the future weapons and money to fund the war against the bad guys.

My thoughts (mostly what they got wrong):

1. It's definitely not the movie I would have made.

2. I paid for a Star Wars movie, not a Guardians of the Galaxy in the Star Wars universe.

3. Didn't like several of the liberties taken with the Force and how that works - it seems like they are setting up Jedi / force-users to be like Marvel Superheroes; who don't need to develop the skill over time...

4. Bending turbolaser fire like cannon batteries... in space? (only thing I could think of was they calculated trajectory and specific gravity of the Resistance Cruiser and the energy had to bend toward the target?)

5. The First Order is not elite - they are bumbling stumbling idiots like Gen Hux.

6. The SJW message at the casino about "evil corporations" and "evil capitalism"...

7. Rose & Finn don't work

8. Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon Leia using the force to float back to a cruiser that is barreling through space, where she was ejected at high speed, and somehow her eyes and skin dont freeze off or get frost bite...

9. Laying on the plot THICK by directly telling the audience what you want them to know instead of allowing them to infer what's going on through speech and actions...

10. A public execution for Finn & Rose that takes too long to "execute" get's blown up by a lightspeed-cruiser-torpedo where ALL the FO stormies and Phasma disappear leaving Rose and Finn the only ones (unscathed) on the deck; and BB8 rescues them with a Chicken Walker sprinting to a lambda shuttle...

11. How did Rey escape - and rendevous with Chewie - undetected?

12. Military liberties taken ... Captain Poe pulls blasters on Vice Admiral Holdo in the middle of the hangar and nobody cares?

13. Space physics just doesn't matter anymore. An X-Wing pulling a 360 degree drift? Cruisers in space, lose thrust and somehow start "falling / tumbling" toward the FO dreadnaught? Again, bending laser-mortars in space?

14. Lastly, (for this list), Rey having ~2 days of training with Luke, and now beating down Snoke's entourage and out force-pulling Kylo Ren on the lightsaber to crack it in half....

15. They squandered several chances to put Carrie Fisher's memory in a very dramatic and meaningful context within the movie and ... how are they going to handle this?

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I was expecting a 8 or 9 out of 10... My initial rating is a 5 or 6...


Things I really liked:
1. Visual effects, especially the lightspeed-cruiser-torpedo and Samurai-jack like brid's eye view silence of the destruction

2. Luke projecting himself and owning Kylo; that was a big head fake for me, and I loved the way it was delivered.

3. Kylo Ren's storyline, he has become the more intriguing character for me of the whole trilogy now. I am pulling for him to succeed, and just own everyone now (except Chewbacca). I think Kylo and Chewie, and maybe future force-Ghost Luke are the only characters I really care about. Finn? not really. Rose? Nope. Rey? still don't know ANYTHING about her... her parents just drunk junkers? I don't buy it... but now there is no anticipation for finding out more... Phasma? Throw away. Snoke? What a putz. Hux? A prequal-style C-3PO in the flesh.

3. Chewie flying the Falcon was very fun

4. Loved the Yoda intro, forcing Luke to experience the thing he was hesitant to do, and then saying "who cares about old texts?" ... leaving Luke to face the reality that he already knows - the old ways are done.

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I just felt like the whole movie was out of step with the look and feel for what Star Wars fans are expecting and some of the dogma that is "known" about how the Force and the Star Wars universe is supposed to work.

Again, it's not the movie I was expecting or would have made; and it was on par with a X-men or a GotG 3 for me...

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13. Space physics just doesn't matter anymore. An X-Wing pulling a 360 degree drift? Cruisers in space, lose thrust and somehow start "falling / tumbling" toward the FO dreadnaught? Again, bending laser-mortars in space?

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Along these lines...the x-wings and a-wings have hyperdrives. But let's land them on the cruiser so one lucky torpedo run destroys every single fighter we have left.

Who is Dobbu Scay?

The guy on the casino planet that was feeding chips into bb8

For the lightspeed kamakazi - why wouldn't the Republic just have done this to the Death Star with UAV's?

SpreadsheetAg said:

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Who is Dobbu Scay?

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The space leprechaun that fed BB8 all the coins in the casino was voiced by Mark Hamill.