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Last: 6 yr ago by OlRock
I wanted Kyle back, but that's too much for a guy that still can't shoot.
we're gonna split the cap between kawhi and lebron. then sign a couple of b-leaguers for minimum
What sucks is that I'd pay that amount for Anderson before 12.5 million for Patty every day of the week.
Memphis is going to be paying $65mm to have a SF rotation of Kyle Anderson and Chandler Parsons for the next two years.
But really, the Spurs are going to have to consider matching that. We have no other small forward once Kawhi is gone. And Anderson is pretty solid defensively. I think his shot can improve. I would match it tbh. Keep him in our core.
I don't think it's a bad contract if the Spurs see him as a key contributor on their team. More than he's worth now, but the intangible of knowing our system and needing someone his size is enough to really give it some thought. This team isn't going to do a full-blown rebuild. That's not in the cards IMO.West Texan said:
Can't match with all 4 years being guaranteed. I really like Kyle, but with a rebuild (full blown or otherwise) on our horizon, you can't take on bad contracts.
Playing about 2000 minutes last year, Kyle put up 10.6p/7.2r/3.7 and shot .333 from three per 36 minutes. If he was 40% from downtown, I would think about matching it. I mainly like him as a PF, but his skills just aren't there to guarantee 40 damn million dollars.
Gotta pass.
And if Kawhi forces a trade, you are getting Tobias Harris, Brandon Ingram, or RoCo/Saric anyway. I don't want to take up another 10% of team salary on a backup SF/PF that can't hit threes.
Gotta pass.
And if Kawhi forces a trade, you are getting Tobias Harris, Brandon Ingram, or RoCo/Saric anyway. I don't want to take up another 10% of team salary on a backup SF/PF that can't hit threes.
But you also have to look at DG (can guard 3s) becoming a free agent next season and getting older. Hopefully buy Gasol out next year, too. We need someone younger like Anderson.Guitarsoup said:
Playing about 2000 minutes last year, Kyle put up 10.6p/7.2r/3.7 and shot .333 from three. If he was 40% from downtown, I would think about matching it. I mainly like him as a PF, but his skills just aren't there to guarantee 40 damn million dollars.
Gotta pass.
And if Kawhi forces a trade, you are getting Tobias Harris, Brandon Ingram, or RoCo/Saric anyway. I don't want to take up another 10% of team salary on a backup SF/PF that can't hit threes.
Edit: Gay could be gone next season, too.
This right here is why you don't give 28 for 4 years of Mills+Gasol.
That's a little too much for Anderson, but it's close enough to match if positional needs and lack of other options dictate as they probably do right now. Unfortunately, the spurs don't have space for anything but cheap contracts right now.
That's a little too much for Anderson, but it's close enough to match if positional needs and lack of other options dictate as they probably do right now. Unfortunately, the spurs don't have space for anything but cheap contracts right now.
How far into luxury tax territory would it put us if we matched?
I think it's hilarious yall want to match this and continue to ***** and moan about Patty. Kyle isn't even a starter in this league. He's a nice to have off the bench and really contributes more on the defensive end. He doesn't seem to have the talent to ever be a good offensive player. Signing guys hoping they learn to shoot isn't smart. I'd rather roll with Bertans at the 3 or one of these lanky Summer League guys.
I like slo mo, but no way in hell you can match that. He got one hell of a deal there. Save the money and move on.
If the Kawhi thing never happened and the Spurs had done better than resigning Marco this offseason, I might think about matching it to make a run at the Warriors the next couple years.
But there is no clear direction of the franchise right now, so you tip your hat to Kyle and his agent and move on.
If the Kawhi thing never happened and the Spurs had done better than resigning Marco this offseason, I might think about matching it to make a run at the Warriors the next couple years.
But there is no clear direction of the franchise right now, so you tip your hat to Kyle and his agent and move on.
WTF
Add in Caspi and that is the least athletic SF collection since the 1949 St Louis Bombers.
Add in Caspi and that is the least athletic SF collection since the 1949 St Louis Bombers.
Iowaggie said:
WTF
Add in Caspi and that is the least athletic SF collection since the 1949 St Louis Bombers.
We have a very athletic point guard with an Australian accent that may interest you guys in Memphis.
Still don't get the hate for mills and green who are signed to below market level contracts
Stretching Gasol next year is a 2.2mm cap hit. He gone.Enzo The Baker said:But you also have to look at DG (can guard 3s) becoming a free agent next season and getting older. Hopefully buy Gasol out next year, too. We need someone younger like Anderson.Guitarsoup said:
Playing about 2000 minutes last year, Kyle put up 10.6p/7.2r/3.7 and shot .333 from three. If he was 40% from downtown, I would think about matching it. I mainly like him as a PF, but his skills just aren't there to guarantee 40 damn million dollars.
Gotta pass.
And if Kawhi forces a trade, you are getting Tobias Harris, Brandon Ingram, or RoCo/Saric anyway. I don't want to take up another 10% of team salary on a backup SF/PF that can't hit threes.
Green will find the market is not great for him next year and I think the Spurs keep him on a solid deal. He played over 50% of his minutes at SF last year anyway.
We have Gay who should be able to play more minutes at the same position plus we are hard capped anyway.
Kyle is not and never will be a championship-caliber starter in the league. Wing is arguably the most important position right now (title goes through LeBron or Durant.)
Kyle's best chance at being worth that contract is adding another 15-20lbs of muscle, continue developing his passing skills and develop a 3-point shot. So he can be a poor man's Boris Diaw.
But as it is, he is a smart player that can't shoot, isn't strong enough to man up in the post and isn't quick enough to guard star wings.
Have fun in Memphis.
Mills is getting 12% of the salary cap and his ceiling on a great team is 7th or 8th man.MookieBlaylock said:
Still don't get the hate for mills and green who are signed to below market level contracts
Patty is a great locker room guy and a good shooter, but he really isn't capable of much more than hitting open shots and maybe pushing the tempo up for 15-20 minutes with the second team. 3y39mm is a lot for that.
Wtf is going on
Picard said:Brian Earl Spilner said:
It makes me sad how Popovich must feeling right now.
First Timmy leaves, who was like a son to him.
Then his wife dies earlier this year.
Then the whole Kawhi bull*****
And now Tony leaves.
Yes. It's almost like everything was going great until Popovich started opening his big fat mouth about politics. In fact it's exactly like that.
Shut the **** up.
First Timmy, the Kawhi bull****, now Parker. I dread Manu's retirement
Patty's contract is bad. If White is even decent, Patty may turn into a 3rd string PG.
Spurs are hard capped at $129.7mmEnzo The Baker said:
How far into luxury tax territory would it put us if we matched?
Current salaries:
LMA 22.35
Kawhi 20.1
Gasol 16
Patty 12.4
Gay 10
Green 10
Beli 6
Manu 2.5
Lonnie 2
White 1.7
Murray1.5
Brandon Paul 1.4 (unguaranteed)
105.95 (and can waive Paul for free)
Hard Cap: 129.7
Lux Tax 123.7
12 players
Free agents:
Bertans (1.7 QO)
Forbes (1.5 QO)
Exceptions:
Bi-Annual 3.4mm
MLE: 2.6 (remaining)
Depth Chart:
C: Gasol/Bertans?
PF: LaMarcus
SF: Kawhi/Gay
SG: Green/Beli/Manu
PG: Murray/White/Forbes?
I think we waive Paul, Keep Forbes and Bertans (hopefully on 1Y QOs) and use the rest of the MLE and the Room on a SF and PF/C.
Michael Beasley, Brook Lopez, Greg Monroe, Lucas Nogueira, Alex Len? Nothing great out there, but maybe a couple of those guys will take a 1y 3.4 or 2.6 deal and try to prove themselves this year. None of them are getting big deals.
Marcus Smart is an interesting guy who doesn't have an offer yet. I'd be tempted to make a MLE offer to make Boston stretch.
Yeah, too bad we gave 6mm of the MLE to Beli. We have 2.6mm of the MLE to offer and 3.4mm of the Room exception to offer.Ag Natural said:
Marcus Smart is an interesting guy who doesn't have an offer yet. I'd be tempted to make a MLE offer to make Boston stretch.
I am watching first take on ESPN on demand
Steve a Smith just claimed that when Larry brown was coaching the 76s he benched allen Iverson for missing a practice and that Pop benched Tim Duncan just to help Larry brown establish his authority
This dude is fing crazy
Steve a Smith just claimed that when Larry brown was coaching the 76s he benched allen Iverson for missing a practice and that Pop benched Tim Duncan just to help Larry brown establish his authority
This dude is fing crazy
Guitarsoup said:Spurs are hard capped at $129.7mmEnzo The Baker said:
How far into luxury tax territory would it put us if we matched?
Current salaries:
LMA 22.35
Kawhi 20.1
Gasol 16
Patty 12.4
Gay 10
Green 10
Beli 6
Manu 2.5
Lonnie 2
White 1.7
Murray1.5
Brandon Paul 1.4 (unguaranteed)
105.95 (and can waive Paul for free)
Hard Cap: 129.7
Lux Tax 123.7
12 players
Free agents:
Bertans (1.7 QO)
Forbes (1.5 QO)
Exceptions:
Bi-Annual 3.4mm
MLE: 2.6 (remaining)
Depth Chart:
C: Gasol/Bertans?
PF: LaMarcus
SF: Kawhi/Gay
SG: Green/Beli/Manu
PG: Murray/White/Forbes?
I think we waive Paul, Keep Forbes and Bertans (hopefully on 1Y QOs) and use the rest of the MLE and the Room on a SF and PF/C.
Michael Beasley, Brook Lopez, Greg Monroe, Lucas Nogueira, Alex Len? Nothing great out there, but maybe a couple of those guys will take a 1y 3.4 or 2.6 deal and try to prove themselves this year. None of them are getting big deals.
I like I'm seeing from Beto so far in summer league. He's probably a 2 way contract. Not sure how that impacts the cap.
Pretty much zero. Caruso made like $250k for the Lakers last year.
MookieBlaylock said:
Still don't get the hate for mills and green who are signed to below market level contracts
Green's deal is fine, especially if he can get back to 39% or better from behind the arc.
Mills' deal is worse than Anderson's and way over market. Anderson is a decent defender with size, good passer and playmaker due to his basketball iq, can get his own shot, and rebounds well but is a poor shooter. Mills is a decent but not elite shooter, terrible on defense, and can't really run the offense. Yet Mills makes more than Anderson.
I like Mills, but he's getting between 100-200% more than what he's worth. Anderson is probably getting 40-50% more than he's worth.
But the point is, there was no reason to give Mills that deal. Some people will say that we were really short on point guards at the time and it was worth it to overpay... IMO signing Mills did very little to address the pg issue.
Same with Gasol. He had a good run in the middle of the season, but he's not really playable in the playoffs. I can't imagine that anyone else was offering Gasol 16 a year for 3 years, and it's not like he had years of experience in the system to make it a continuity gift.
10mm is too much for Anderson, he's probably more of a 7mm player, but maybe it's worth it given our current situation if we had money to spend. Mills is a 4-5mm player making 12mm. Gasol is a 5-8mm player making 16mm. Can't keep stacking up bad deals, that's how you end up over the cap without a starting point guard or center.
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