*****2017-2018 San Antonio Spurs*****

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West Texan said:

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My #1 trade would be to Boston for Tatum, Rozier, Morris, filler and the Sacramento 2019 pick.

LA for Ingram, Kuzma, Deng and picks could work except it creates the ability for LA to bring in Kawhi, Bron, and George.

I've heard Sacramento #2 and Bogdan Bogdanovic and the Spurs take Luka. Maybe we could force CauleyStein in to play C.


One of my favorites I've seen (although I don't see this happening): Spurs, Cavs, Grizz

Spurs get George Hill, pick #4, and pick #8

Cavs get Kawhi and Chandler Parsons

Memphis gets Kevin Love

Money works out, we get two top ten picks, Cleveland has something to offer Lebron to stay, and Memphis unloads Parsons awful contract and get someone to pair next to Conley and Gasol.


The Cavs absorb a worse contract, lose Love and give up 8 to get a 1 year Kawhi rental with little cap relief... no way in hell they do that.


I already said that I don't think this happens. For the sake of playing devils advocate... OKC gave up Oladipo for a one year rental of Paul George in the hope that they could convince him to stay. If the cavs thought that getting Kawhi would convince Lebron to stay, and perhaps playing with Lebron could convince Kawhi to sign an extension.

I think the Paul George situation is actually a realistic node of comparison for the Spurs and remember hat basically everyone (including me) thought that the Pacers got bent over in that trade. Nobody saw Oladipo becoming what he did last season so the Pacers got a bit lucky there. Also that scenario worked for OKC because they thought they were closer to contending (oops). Lebron-less Cavs assuming that happens aren't 1 Kawhi away from contending.

I wouldn't expect the Spurs to get a kings ransom for Kawhi in this scenario. If you get 2 high picks, expect to be the team to absorb a contract like Parson's too in that deal but even then, I doubt 2 top 10 picks are in scope.
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So I've been off the grid for most of the last 24 hours and saw 117 new posts on the Spurs thread. Silly me thought there must have been some credible report of LeBron interest in SA. Dang.

This really makes how Kawhi's handled the past 9 months look pretty bad. It's a shame.
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Im gonna get ****faced til this all makes sense, see you in 24 hours friends
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azulAg said:

Im gonna get ****faced til this all makes sense, see you in 24 hours friends


It ain't gonna make sense in 24 hours, bud. You might wanna go ahead and call the hospital for alcohol poisoning if that's your plan.
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im raitonalizing it as we speek
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What if wehn we won the championship, kawhis uncle decided to enter his life . he started to fathom the idea that he is a potential superstar in the making and from that point knew he needed to be traded to another market. He seized the opprtunity when zaza injured him, then decided to ,manipulate kawhi away from the spurs team. it all makes perfect ****ing sense. it was his UNCLE
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Is this more or less the same situation that we had with Timmy wanting to sign with Orlando back in 2000?
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What's the percentage of him being dealt to Phoenix or sac for the 1 or 2 picks and some players? Herschel walker him.
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mike_ags_fan12 said:

What's the percentage of him being dealt to Phoenix or sac for the 1 or 2 picks and some players? Herschel walker him.


Pretty low because teams like that have to be really confident they can sign him or else he walks and they gave up a top 2 pick for one season of Kawhi coming back from injury.
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saltydog13 said:

Is this more or less the same situation that we had with Timmy wanting to sign with Orlando back in 2000?


Completely different
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What trading Kawhi Leonard does to the Spurs' timeline
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Assessing the stakes at risk while considering the seemingly inevitable Leonard trade.

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2018/6/16/17360980/trade-kawhi-leonard-san-antonio-spurs-timeline
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Maker
LMA
Middleton
Murray
Brogdon

Plus I would love to see Giannis and Kawhi, until Kawhi cries himself out of Milwaukee.

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Kawhi+Gasol for Tristan Thompson+Jordan Clarkson+#8. Cleveland gets Bron to stay and they have Love+Kawhi+Bron. Bron doesn't hurt his precious legacy by jumping to create another superteam.

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Kawhi + Gasol to Phx for
#16
Josh Jackson
Tyson Chandler
filler (1y of Jared Dudley, unguaranteed of Alan Williams)

Chandler (Who pop has wanted for a long time)
LMA
Josh Jackson
Green?
Murray

#16 & #18. Maybe try to put together something to move up for Luka. Phx gets to build around Booker, Kawhi and #1.


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Guitarsoup said:



Maker
LMA
Middleton
Murray
Brogdon

Plus I would love to see Giannis and Kawhi, until Kawhi cries himself out of Milwaukee.

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Kawhi+Gasol for Tristan Thompson+Jordan Clarkson+#8. Cleveland gets Bron to stay and they have Love+Kawhi+Bron. Bron doesn't hurt his precious legacy by jumping to create another superteam.

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Kawhi + Gasol to Phx for
#16
Josh Jackson
Tyson Chandler
filler (1y of Jared Dudley, unguaranteed of Alan Williams)

Chandler (Who pop has wanted for a long time)
LMA
Josh Jackson
Green?
Murray

#16 & #18. Maybe try to put together something to move up for Luka. Phx gets to build around Booker, Kawhi and #1.



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If Kawhi is really leaving, I trade Lamarcus too. He's not an alpha but he's good enough that you're not going to suck and you will not get a good draft pick next year with LMA bringing the team up.

Lamarcus trade value is at its peak right now coming off that really good season.

Keep Patty so you can make the team worse. This will be a 3-4 year rebuild at minimum anyway, so no harm in keeping him anymore.

This blows for the Spurs. Manu will probably retire now too.
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Apparently Memphis is dangling the #4 pick for two years of Chandler Parsons at 50mm.

Manu opts in and retires
Manu+Pau+Brandon Paul for Chandler+#4 (Luka)

Rebuild time
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Guitarsoup said:





This trade is so comically bad and lopsided I feel dumber for just reading it.
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Guitarsoup said:

Apparently Memphis is dangling the #4 pick for two years of Chandler Parsons at 50mm.

Manu opts in and retires
Manu+Pau+Brandon Paul for Chandler+#4 (Luka)

Rebuild time


I know Memphis wants out of Parsons awful contract and that's a lot of cap flexibility going forward, they're not getting anything from us for that pick. If we pull that off without trading Kawhi, then we can really be cooking by working two deals.
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Paul is unguaranteed.
Pau is owed 23mm over two years, but it could be stretched to five. So 4.6mm/ year.
Manu gets 2.5mm to retire.

Memphis saves around 26mm over two years and if they stretch Pau, they gain about 16mm in space this year.

Or they can go with story of bringing Pau back to Memphis and reuniting him with Marc.

If the keep Pau, they still save about 5mm this year and 20mm next year.

Great deal for both teams
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Guitarsoup said:

Paul is unguaranteed.
Pau is owed 23mm over two years, but it could be stretched to five. So 4.6mm/ year.
Manu gets 2.5mm to retire.

Memphis saves around 26mm over two years and if they stretch Pau, they gain about 16mm in space this year.

Or they can go with story of bringing Pau back to Memphis and reuniting him with Marc.

If the keep Pau, they still save about 5mm this year and 20mm next year.

Great deal for both teams

There are a ton of other deals out there that Memphis could do with 4 and Parsons that destroy this deal.

Cleveland, Chicago, Dallas and Brooklyn for example can and probably would offer a much better salary dump package than this one.

That's not a great deal for Memphis.
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Well, apparently, the Spurs won't trade Kawhi to a team in the west...
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PizzaAg said:

Well, apparently, the Spurs won't trade Kawhi to a team in the west...
thats good news. Boston then?
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Peter Vecsey: Combined with the incontrovertible fact that Kawhi's placid personality is a perfect fit in San Antonio and torturously unfit to cope with the media madness of Los Angeles and New York even Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago and Miami I'm convinced a reconciliation is imminent. The fact Kawhi is building a home in San Antonio for himself, and one, I'm told, for his mother, somewhat bolsters that conclusion though athletes' custom-made residences certainly don't guarantee an iota of permanency.

In a cell conversation yesterday with Kawhi's fringe friend (see above car quote), my first words were ones I've often promoted: "You know, I'm only as good as my source. What can you tell me?" Enough so that I'm thoroughly disinclined to believe Kawhi and Pop can't patch things up, predominantly because their relationship isn't in need of a large patch. From what I'm told, they've never exchanged harsh words or gone off on each other. A single problem existed last season that would not go away: Kawhi's caregivers and doctors felt his repaired quad wasn't entirely healthy when he returned 28 games into the season. After nine, some very effective, minute-monitored games, they insisted he return to rehab.

But there is a reason they're called 'team' doctors, and not players' doctors they're paid by the team. "The media made it seem as if the Spurs and Kawhi's people weren't communicating. Like they didn't know where he was and how things were going," my source said. "They were in constant touch. I think Pop made Mitch wear a helmet cam. "The Spurs had their opinion regarding what should be done. Kawhi's people disagreed. I don't see any reason why both sides can't move forward together."
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PizzaAg said:

Well, apparently, the Spurs won't trade Kawhi to a team in the west...


Where did you hear that?
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LA teams concerned about his health....

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2781554-kawhi-leonard-rumors-lakers-clippers-concerned-over-stars-quadriceps-injury
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Enzo The Baker said:

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Peter Vecsey: Combined with the incontrovertible fact that Kawhi's placid personality is a perfect fit in San Antonio and torturously unfit to cope with the media madness of Los Angeles and New York even Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago and Miami I'm convinced a reconciliation is imminent. The fact Kawhi is building a home in San Antonio for himself, and one, I'm told, for his mother, somewhat bolsters that conclusion though athletes' custom-made residences certainly don't guarantee an iota of permanency.

In a cell conversation yesterday with Kawhi's fringe friend (see above car quote), my first words were ones I've often promoted: "You know, I'm only as good as my source. What can you tell me?" Enough so that I'm thoroughly disinclined to believe Kawhi and Pop can't patch things up, predominantly because their relationship isn't in need of a large patch. From what I'm told, they've never exchanged harsh words or gone off on each other. A single problem existed last season that would not go away: Kawhi's caregivers and doctors felt his repaired quad wasn't entirely healthy when he returned 28 games into the season. After nine, some very effective, minute-monitored games, they insisted he return to rehab.

But there is a reason they're called 'team' doctors, and not players' doctors they're paid by the team. "The media made it seem as if the Spurs and Kawhi's people weren't communicating. Like they didn't know where he was and how things were going," my source said. "They were in constant touch. I think Pop made Mitch wear a helmet cam. "The Spurs had their opinion regarding what should be done. Kawhi's people disagreed. I don't see any reason why both sides can't move forward together."



Where is this from? This is completely contradictory from everything we've heard the last couple days.
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DSAg44 said:

LA teams concerned about his health....

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2781554-kawhi-leonard-rumors-lakers-clippers-concerned-over-stars-quadriceps-injury

Other teams like Lakers or Clippers will want to drive down the price for Kawhi, camouflage as much as possible their intentions, etc. So take anything being leaked or put out to the media via sources from Spurs, Kawhi's camp, or other teams with a grain of salt, recognizing that there is a high stakes poker game being played here.
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It was from a Peter Vescey an article from Patreon. Came up on hoopshype.

The article is titled 'Kawhi Leonard Trade Report Sounds Bogus, Reunion with Spurs likely.'

Although that title in itself sounds bogus.
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Enzo The Baker said:

It was from a Peter Vescey an article from Patreon. Came up on hoopshype.

The article is titled 'Kawhi Leonard Trade Report Sounds Bogus, Reunion with Spurs likely.'

Although that title in itself sounds bogus.


That's at least a small glimmer of hope.
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Peter Vescey - has he ever really been a credible insider? Even back in the late 90s / early 2000s when he was more a known name in NBA media, I never remember him having inside information.
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There are a ton of other deals out there that Memphis could do with 4 and Parsons that destroy this deal.
How many teams want to destroy $30mm of cap space eliminating their ability to sign a good FA this year or next on Chandler Parsons?
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Guitarsoup said:


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There are a ton of other deals out there that Memphis could do with 4 and Parsons that destroy this deal.
How many teams want to destroy $30mm of cap space eliminating their ability to sign a good FA this year or next on Chandler Parsons?



Somehow I picture the New York Knicks raising their hand to a question like this.
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flashplayer said:

Guitarsoup said:


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There are a ton of other deals out there that Memphis could do with 4 and Parsons that destroy this deal.
How many teams want to destroy $30mm of cap space eliminating their ability to sign a good FA this year or next on Chandler Parsons?



Somehow I picture the New York Knicks raising their hand to a question like this.
True, however, the Knicks have 13 players under contract and are over the cap already. Can't offer much relief to the Grizz. But the Knicks could send back 2y/38mm of Joakim Noah.
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E-N reporting the Spurs are actively shopping Pau Gasol.
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They also reported that Pau has expressed an interest in finishing his career playing in Spain. Hopefully they can unload him.

He had a hall of fame career in my opinion, but he's clearly done, even moreso than Manu.
 
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