*****2017-2018 San Antonio Spurs*****

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Enzo The Baker said:

White can shoot. He just brought the ball up court and pulled up right away, no hesitation. I really hope he gets minutes this year.


Between last night and most of the first quarter tonight I'm more impressed with his vision and passing ability. If he was playing with more guys that could finish/knock down shots he would have had close to 10 assists last night and 3-4 already tonight.

Metu has shown some really good offensive potential as well. Smooth jumper and good hands.
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UPDATE: Kawhi Leonard would be open to joining the Clippers, Shams Charania of Yahoo! Sports said on the Colin Cowherd radio show on Tuesday.

Charania said Leonard does not necessarily have an interest in joining a super team and if anything, LeBron James signing with the Lakers may cause him to look closer at the Clippers.

Charania added the Spurs are still holding out hope they can repair the relationship with Leonard.
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Send his ungrateful ass to Minnesota anyway
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HAHAHAHAHA.
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That's a good start for a top 3 player in the NBA.
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I find it hilarious that a guy who is pissed at the San Antonio Spurs for mismanaging his injury is wanting so badly to go to two of the worst teams at managing injuries / player minutes in the last decade.

And I say that in jest since we all know that's not the real reason he is leaving.
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White was the best player on the court. Lost focus a couple times, but for the most part his mind is clearly working faster than everyone else's.

Metu has a lot of nice attributes. Smooth shot, athletic, good footwork, can work off the dribble. I usually think the spurs summer league guys are bums, but this guy has a shot to be a legit player of he's got the motor and work ethic.

Jordan Green played. Didn't do much, but good to see him out there.

Blossomgame had a few nice plays. He sure looks like an NBA player physically, not sure he has the skills to get there though.

Brimah moves pretty well for a 7 footer. He probably won't make it but he's worth keeping an eye on.

Putney looks good shooting, but that's about the only time. He did have a run out dunk from about a foot inside the free throw, that was nice.
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Ulrich said:

White was the best player on the court. Lost focus a couple times, but for the most part his mind is clearly working faster than everyone else's.

Metu has a lot of nice attributes. Smooth shot, athletic, good footwork, can work off the dribble. I usually think the spurs summer league guys are bums, but this guy has a shot to be a legit player of he's got the motor and work ethic.

Jordan Green played. Didn't do much, but good to see him out there.

Blossomgame had a few nice plays. He sure looks like an NBA player physically, not sure he has the skills to get there though.

Brimah moves pretty well for a 7 footer. He probably won't make it but he's worth keeping an eye on.

Putney looks good shooting, but that's about the only time. He did have a run out dunk from about a foot inside the free throw, that was nice.


White looks like he's ready to take over that Manu role as the primary ball handler off the bench that can also play off the ball with the starters. He's been light years better than he was in summer league last year. He also makes some nice defensive plays. He's not gonna be a stopper, but he's able to get his hand in there and swipe the ball and even had a couple blocks today. Metu really needs to bulk up and work on his defense but he's definitely worth keeping an eye on. Blossomgame is an undersized power forward. Good defense, rebounds well, can finish inside, decent midrange jumper, but not a good 3 point shooter and he's 6'7". Don't think he'll ever make an NBA roster as a SF.

On non-Spurs players, Trae Young has looked really bad in his two games. I know his first two summer league games aren't an indicator of career success, but if I was a hawks fan I'd be real worried that they traded Doncic for this guy.
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Hawks were doing as **** for not keeping Luka when they already had Schroeder
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I don't think White has the quickness or handles to be a primary playmaker. But his shot is looking very nice. He's also seems to have a high IQ. Many, many assists and potential assists. I would like to see how well he runs off screens because that is more likey the way he'll get shot on the NBA team.
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Murray's stroke looking better.

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Enzo The Baker said:

Murray's stroke looking better.

he took about 5 steps before that dunk....
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DSAg44 said:

Enzo The Baker said:

Murray's stroke looking better.

he took about 5 steps before that dunk....
He banked it off the backboard!
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And a small market team to boot. Just a matter of time before they buy out Melo though.
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jteagle said:

DSAg44 said:

Enzo The Baker said:

Murray's stroke looking better.

he took about 5 steps before that dunk....
He banked it off the backboard!
ahhh - my bad.
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  • Chris Carter has communicated directly with Kahwi.
  • TP comments wasn't the last straw. But is part of a culmination of things for him wanting out.
  • Kahwi did not demand to be traded to Lakers. He just wants to be in LA.
  • He actually doesn't feel like he'll be happy playing with Lebron since he likes to compete. He thinks he's the best 2-way player in the world.
  • He feels that with Jerry West, that he'll be able to attract free agents on his own. (This cancels one of the rumors that he wants to leave because no free agents would come to San Antonio.)
  • Pop not opposed to trading him to the west but has a responsibility to get the best deal for the team.
  • Negative Bummer here: He doesn't like that San Antonio is very controlling of it's players. He claims that the organization likes to have a say even on the player's endorsements (who they prefer for you to sign to).
  • Positive: Him and Pop actually communicate regularly. Both of them still have great respect for each other but understand that they have a tough decision.
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Guitarsoup said:



  • Chris Carter has communicated directly with Kahwi.
  • TP comments wasn't the last straw. But is part of a culmination of things for him wanting out.
  • Kahwi did not demand to be traded to Lakers. He just wants to be in LA.
  • He actually doesn't feel like he'll be happy playing with Lebron since he likes to compete. He thinks he's the best 2-way player in the world.
  • He feels that with Jerry West, that he'll be able to attract free agents on his own. (This cancels one of the rumors that he wants to leave because no free agents would come to San Antonio.)
  • Pop not opposed to trading him to the west but has a responsibility to get the best deal for the team.
  • Negative Bummer here: He doesn't like that San Antonio is very controlling of it's players. He claims that the organization likes to have a say even on the player's endorsements (who they prefer for you to sign to).
  • Positive: Him and Pop actually communicate regularly. Both of them still have great respect for each other but understand that they have a tough decision.



I Have no idea how Cris Carter talked to Kawhi. I can see why the Spurs are asking what endorsements Kawhi is taking with his agent and uncle in his ear.
Lastly, Nick Wright sounds like a turd trying to start something about Parker.
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Interesting.

I still think Kawhi was able to play last year and should have been with the team, but at least now there's a little more context for why he's doing what he's doing.

The main plus I get out of all that is that at least there are two teams in the mix, the Clippers might even be his favorite, and the Spurs won't give him up cheap. His perspective on West+Rivers being better than Magic+Walton is dead on.

It's not much of a market but it's better than the Lakers knowing they can coast for a year and get him for free. Apparently the Spurs wanted Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, and 2 picks and the Lakers were trying to get him for Deng and picks. The Lakers offer is actually worse than nothing while the Spurs offer probably looks fair to most people who aren't fans of either team.

Of course, now the Lakers might have made it impossible to get Kawhi. Lebron's 37, 18 for Deng, about 28 for Rondo, McGee, KCP, and Stephenson, 13 for Ingram and Ball, another 10 for the bottom of the roster and cap holds. The Lakers are right at the cap already, which means they'd have to move Deng, Rondo, or KCP as part of the deal just to get enough cap space to do an Ingram/Kuzma/Hart deal.

The problem is that the Spurs already have 28mm in bad value contracts, so if they take Deng for two years that rockets up to 46mm. Since Deng apparently isn't an NBA player anymore, they would effectively be paying nearly half the cap for two niche role players for two more years. One year rentals of Rondo or KCP just aren't that attractive at the price.

There would almost have to be a third team to accept some salary.

The Clippers have a lot more assets who are reasonable or even good value. Harris for 15, Gortat for 14, Lou Williams for 8... again they mostly only have a year left on their deals, but they are the kind of players the Spurs could easily end up re-signing for reasonable multi-year deals.

The Spurs don't currently have a playoff-caliber starting PG, SF, or C. Current roster w/o Kawhi:

Murray / Mills / White
Green / Beli / Walker
Anderson
Gay
Aldridge / Gasol

Would the Clippers do SGA, Gortat, and Harris for Kawhi? Even though Gortat and Harris only have a year left on their deals, you get a starting SF who can rain threes to give the starters some outside scoring capability and a starting C to let LA shift to his more natural PF. At least they are upper-middle tier guys that we might be able to resign for reasonable deals next year and still have a very nice chunk of money to play with by renouncing Gasol.

SGA / Murray / White
Green / Beli / Walker
Harris / Anderson
Aldridge / Gay
Gortat / Gasol

I still don't love our guard situation, but there is shooting, upside, experience, defense, and hustle just not always all in the same player. They are also all between 6'4 and 6'6 and most of them have very long arms. That is a huge team from top to bottom. Starters 6'6, 6'6, 6'9, 6'11, and 6'11. Bench 6'5, 6'5, 6'9, 6'8, and 7'0. Everyone but Gasol is mobile.
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Ulrich said:



It's not much of a market but it's better than the Lakers knowing they can coast for a year and get him for free. Apparently the Spurs wanted Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, and 2 picks and the Lakers were trying to get him for Deng and picks. The Lakers offer is actually worse than nothing while the Spurs offer probably looks fair to most people who aren't fans of either team.


Is there anybody in the world that would think that was a serious offer? If that is true it doesn't look like the Lakers wanted him very badly.
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jteagle said:

Ulrich said:



It's not much of a market but it's better than the Lakers knowing they can coast for a year and get him for free. Apparently the Spurs wanted Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, and 2 picks and the Lakers were trying to get him for Deng and picks. The Lakers offer is actually worse than nothing while the Spurs offer probably looks fair to most people who aren't fans of either team.


Is there anybody in the world that would think that was a serious offer? If that is true it doesn't look like the Lakers wanted him very badly.
Have you ever heard Magic Johnson talk?
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Guitarsoup said:

jteagle said:

Ulrich said:



It's not much of a market but it's better than the Lakers knowing they can coast for a year and get him for free. Apparently the Spurs wanted Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, and 2 picks and the Lakers were trying to get him for Deng and picks. The Lakers offer is actually worse than nothing while the Spurs offer probably looks fair to most people who aren't fans of either team.


Is there anybody in the world that would think that was a serious offer? If that is true it doesn't look like the Lakers wanted him very badly.
Have you ever heard Magic Johnson talk?
Touche'
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jteagle said:

Ulrich said:



It's not much of a market but it's better than the Lakers knowing they can coast for a year and get him for free. Apparently the Spurs wanted Ingram, Kuzma, Hart, and 2 picks and the Lakers were trying to get him for Deng and picks. The Lakers offer is actually worse than nothing while the Spurs offer probably looks fair to most people who aren't fans of either team.


Is there anybody in the world that would think that was a serious offer? If that is true it doesn't look like the Lakers wanted him very badly.
I can't remember where I saw it, but it looked like an attempt at legitimate reporting. Someone later posted it here as an example of a really stupid offer. I've seen numerous reports that Ingram and Kuzma are not on the table. Those are their only legitimate pieces (outside of the Ball Family Circus, which I'm not sure Pop would take for free), so there's really no way they are putting a non-LOL offer out there.

I think when the Lakers floated the "godfather offer" rumor they were trying to pressure the Spurs to accept an RGIII-esque offer all the Lakers picks for 3-4 years plus Deng to make the salaries work.

In my head, Magic Johnson thinks the following things:
1. We are the Lakers
2. Kawhi is obviously forcing his way here
3. The Spurs will have to accept pennies on the dollar
4. Deng is a SF who was good at one point
5. The salaries are pretty close
6. I am very very smart and charismatic so I can talk them into this
7. We are the Lakers

All the rumors out of Kawhi/his camp lately have been about other teams, I think he knows the Spurs won't accept anything too stupid and is trying to force the Lakers or Clippers to make a legitimate offer instead of stupid lowball.
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I just want to spend time/effort on getting Butler and dumping Patty. WAY more valuable than Tobias Harris, even though Tobias is supposedly a much better locker room guy.
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Butler strikes me as someone who would appreciate San Antonio's culture on the court.
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Ulrich said:

Butler strikes me as someone who would appreciate San Antonio's culture on the court.
All-Defense teams multiple times. Better creator/passer. Worse shooter.

But he is from Houston and he and Kyrie want to play together and SA has the money to make that happen if we sign him and dump Patty.
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I think Patty and Kyle are the only two players I like on the team as it's currently constructed.

Unless Manu comes back. This is going to be a hard season to root for the Spurs.
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Sad thing is this team would be a contender for runner up to Golden State and maybe even beat them if they could channel 2017 playoff Spur basketball.

Murray
Green
Kawhi
Gay
Aldridge

Gay and Aldridge at the end of 2018 are better than what the Spurs had in 2017. Really hope Kawhi considers at least making a serious run at the WCF if he is still with the Spurs.
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flashplayer said:

Sad thing is this team would be a contender for runner up to Golden State and maybe even beat them if they could channel 2017 playoff Spur basketball.

Murray
Green
Kawhi
Gay
Aldridge

Gay and Aldridge at the end of 2018 are better than what the Spurs had in 2017. Really hope Kawhi considers at least making a serious run at the WCF if he is still with the Spurs.
I actually agree with this.
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This really is pretty good.

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On WojPod, Woj is saying that Kawhi's uncle not being a real agent is making everything many times more difficult for the Spurs because the teams understandably don't trust Kawhi's Uncle.
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Guitarsoup said:

On WojPod, Woj is saying that Kawhi's uncle not being a real agent is making everything many times more difficult for the Spurs because the teams understandably don't trust Kawhi's Uncle.




Always hire professionals, especially when money is no object.
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Guitarsoup said:


 
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