*****2017-2018 San Antonio Spurs*****

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Manu looks dejected.
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I'm pretty disappointed to not see Kawhi on the bench.

I guess I'll eat my words if he signs for a super max this offseason, but I'm not going to hold my breath. If he's sat out all season to protect himself for a future other team and future contract, then screw him. That's so unlike the Kawhi we all thought we knew, but what the hell are we supposed to think at this point? Don't even show up to support your teammates for the playoffs even though you left them high and dry all season long? Feels like he'll never play in the silver and black again.

With that said, 100% of me wants him to be a Spur for life and make all of us fans look stupid. Just doesn't feel like that will be the case right now.
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I've been a big Kawhi supporter and I guess I just didn't want to believe that he would do this but I have to admit that I am extremely disappointed that he is not on the bench. Seems like he is guilty of listening to some really bad advice from people that don't have his best interest in mind and sure don't care about the Spurs. Very disappointing to say the least.
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Yeah well last year most everyone was done with LMA too. Kawhi could easily redeem himself. The big question is whether or not he's actually better. I'm guessing that at some point the spurs just told him to come back next year regardless of what the doctors say.

The bigger question is do the spurs offer the big extension? As of now hes still eligible for the supermax. But if he doesn't make all nba next year he loses that distinction.
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Enzo The Baker said:

I'm convinced Patty has dirt on Pop. That's the only reasonable explanation for getting so much playing time. He's a liability on both ends now. They need to bench him for the rest of the series and give his time to Forbes.

At this point, Pop just needs to put lineups out there that are long and clan play defense because our offense is a lost cause.


Give his minutes to White. Better defender and can create his own shot.
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Forbes is better, too.
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Ulrich said:

Forbes is better, too.

I kind of thought that was reactive, but then I looked at their numbers expecting Mills to be way ahead, but they aren't conclusive either way. Mills gets more assists, Forbes shoots a little better, they actually score at about the same rate.

It's a trade-off. Forbes can create for himself and is more of a perimeter threat but Mills is better at keeping the ball moving.
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Ulrich said:

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Forbes is better, too.

I kind of thought that was reactive, but then I looked at their numbers expecting Mills to be way ahead, but they aren't conclusive either way. Mills gets more assists, Forbes shoots a little better, they actually score at about the same rate.

It's a trade-off. Forbes can create for himself and is more of a perimeter threat but Mills is better at keeping the ball moving.
Forbes is miles ahead of Mills defensively. I think that's why Pop even gives him playing time. And I feel like when Patty keeps the ball moving, it's just 'going through the motions' type of movement. It usually results into nothing.

I really like White. But I would give the minutes to Forbes as he has had a lot more run with the team in the league.

Edit: I'm also not convinced White is a good enough defender to keep up.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Ulrich said:

Ulrich said:

Forbes is better, too.

I kind of thought that was reactive, but then I looked at their numbers expecting Mills to be way ahead, but they aren't conclusive either way. Mills gets more assists, Forbes shoots a little better, they actually score at about the same rate.

It's a trade-off. Forbes can create for himself and is more of a perimeter threat but Mills is better at keeping the ball moving.
Forbes is miles ahead of Mills defensively. I think that's why Pop even gives him playing time. And I feel like when Patty keeps the ball moving, it's just 'going through the motions' type of movement. It usually results into nothing.

I really like White. But I would give the minutes to Forbes as he has had a lot more run with the team in the league.

Edit: I'm also not convinced White is a good enough defender to keep up.
White is probably not as good of a defender at the moment but with a little time I think he will be head one of the best defenders on the team.
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I agree. I think he can turn into an excellent defender.
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Enzo The Baker said:

I agree. I think he can turn into an excellent defender.
I hope he gets a chance to show it next year.
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There was no Leonard in the locker room, either, where his teammates' views vary on the question of how challenging this has been. As Popovich has said all along, they need to keep playing with the assumption that Leonard is done for the season if only because that's the right psychological play. And sure enough, as forward Pau Gasol shared pregame, they haven't seen Leonard in weeks.
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azulAg said:

I also hate steph, cocky sob. Klay is the only one I like


Klay was plan A over Kawhi. Plan C was trying to get Jimmy Butler at the end of the first without trading George Hill
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Enzo The Baker said:

Ulrich said:

Ulrich said:

Forbes is better, too.

I kind of thought that was reactive, but then I looked at their numbers expecting Mills to be way ahead, but they aren't conclusive either way. Mills gets more assists, Forbes shoots a little better, they actually score at about the same rate.

It's a trade-off. Forbes can create for himself and is more of a perimeter threat but Mills is better at keeping the ball moving.
Forbes is miles ahead of Mills defensively. I think that's why Pop even gives him playing time. And I feel like when Patty keeps the ball moving, it's just 'going through the motions' type of movement. It usually results into nothing.

I really like White. But I would give the minutes to Forbes as he has had a lot more run with the team in the league.

Edit: I'm also not convinced White is a good enough defender to keep up.


Seriously? Mills has been a very good defender this season. The issue is when they are switching everything he has no chance against the bigger players. And neither does Forbes
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Agree to disagree. Mills gets beat virtually every time someone goes at him in every game.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Agree to disagree. Mills gets beat virtually every time someone goes at him in every game.


Well Pop has praised Mills defense a couple of times. Comparing him to Forbes isn't even credible. Forbes is a very early work in progress. He's been benched several times for defensive mistakes and was totally out of the rotation for a good part of the season. I personally think it's worth the tradeoff since he can really score.
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Rumor says we losing kawhi to clippers ...
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Ag Natural said:

Enzo The Baker said:

Agree to disagree. Mills gets beat virtually every time someone goes at him in every game.


Well Pop has praised Mills defense a couple of times. Comparing him to Forbes isn't even credible. Forbes is a very early work in progress. He's been benched several times for defensive mistakes and was totally out of the rotation for a good part of the season. I personally think it's worth the tradeoff since he can really score.
I'm just commenting on what I see. To me, Forbes does a much better job than Mills with staying in front of his man. There have been so many times in games where a player easily gets by Mills to break down our defense.
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Look I just don't want to get swept freaking 2 years in a row by GS. My expectations are the lowest they have ever been for a Spurs playoff series. And it's sucks
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azulAg said:

Rumor says we losing kawhi to clippers ...
That's not what it really says. It just says that they will go hard after him, more than likely offering their two lottery picks this year and anyone else needed to get the trade done. It's still the Spurs' decision in the end.
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DeAndre plus two lottery picks
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And throw in Mills for Bev and Boban.
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Anything the Clips have to offer would be laughable.
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LOL. Then mortgage everything else and get Bron and trot out:

Dejounte
Bron
SLO-MO
LMA
Deandre

Bench:
3 1st rounders
Derrick White
Bryn Forbes
Manu & Tony corpses

Nice defensive lineup at least. Zero depth.
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https://www.theringer.com/nba-playoffs/2018/4/14/17238656/spurs-warriors-game-1-takeaways


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Typically, the twist in a TV series comes in the waning minutes of a finale. But on Saturday, Steve Kerr decided to deploy his first surprise playoff adjustment in the pilot of Spurs-Warriors: starting Andre Iguodala at point guard. The result: a five-man unit with no player shorter than 6-foot-6. By more or less erasing the position, Golden State produced an elongated lineup that suffocated the Spurs with their length from the get-go. Putting all of Golden State's most defensive-minded veterans in the game at the start re-engaged their effort (which had proved lackadaisical in the final stretch of the regular season) and fueled their commanding victory by prioritizing their physical superiority over the Spurs across the board. San Antonio barely had time to respond, and spoiler: It didn't have an answer.
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Enzo The Baker said:

Agree to disagree. Mills gets beat virtually every time someone goes at him in every game.


Seriously. In the second quarter when it was still a game and Patty came back in, Golden State ran the offense through whoever Patty was guarding for four straight minutes. They pushed the lead from single digits to 15 by attacking him.

Second half when the Spurs got it to eight or so they did the same thing.
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Mills is serviceable in the regular season because while he gets beat a lot, he does play in the system and generally hustles. In the playoffs when every game is against a top team with a specific game plan tailored to beating San Antonio? His terrible on ball defense is exposed, especially when there's only one serviceable defensive big on the team. Reiterating points made last off-season... giving 25% of the cap to Mills and Gasol was a bad decision. It probably would have been masked if Leonard had come back, but now we're seeing the downside.

And GS gets no credit from me for having some masterful defensive game plan. Our offense has been terrible all year. Any defense with a pulse has stifled the Spurs, especially on the road where we've looked like the Generals for half the season.

I wish we had given Forbes and Lauvergne a lot more regular season minutes for the experience. They both still have some upside, and it became obvious months ago that Mills/Gasol are not the answer.
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So now that the spurs org and the city of SA have turned on kawhi I think it's safe to say he's gone ?
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azulAg said:

So now that the spurs org and the city of SA have turned on kawhi I think it's safe to say he's gone ?
Although that's what it seems like, I still l wouldn't close the door on him returning. $219 million is a lot to pass up.

Even if he does return, I think the Spurs need to look long and hard at the roster makeup of this team. They just don't gel. They really need to shake things up and add some consistent scoring to this team.

I know it's been hammered already, but those boneheaded re-signings last summer are really going to tie their hands. If Kawhi is in fact gone, they need to look at unloading Patty and/or Pau along with him.
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I just don't see Kawhi leaving based on the current evidence. It is just as likely that the org finally resigned themselves to this season being lost and told him to just shut it down and come back next year. We the people don't have any intel.
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Ag Natural said:

I just don't see Kawhi leaving based on the current evidence. It is just as likely that the org finally resigned themselves to this season being lost and told him to just shut it down and come back next year. We the people don't have any intel.


The only part about why your assumption is not believable is how they have trashed him in public and hung him out to dry by leaking the fact that the Spurs team doctors cleared him. Something is not right. It does not pass the smell test. If you see smoke and it smells like a fire, it's not nothing.

If there was no significant beef, he would be on the sidelines and doing rehab in San Antonio. It's not like he lived in New York And just needed the comforts of home
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Wanted to add that I also think it's possible he returns, because that much money is hard to pass up. But I would be more surprised to see that than to see the Spurs trade him at this point.
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flashplayer said:

Ag Natural said:

I just don't see Kawhi leaving based on the current evidence. It is just as likely that the org finally resigned themselves to this season being lost and told him to just shut it down and come back next year. We the people don't have any intel.


The only part about why your assumption is not believable is how they have trashed him in public and hung him out to dry by leaking the fact that the Spurs team doctors cleared him. Something is not right. It does not pass the smell test. If you see smoke and it smells like a fire, it's not nothing.

If there was no significant beef, he would be on the sidelines and doing rehab in San Antonio. It's not like he lived in New York And just needed the comforts of home


If he's officially shut down then why have him there? Really the only reason would be to try to squash all this speculation. I think it's reasonable to assume the Spurs aren't happy with how this all went down. But they aren't going to just part with him because of this. And as far as I know, Kawhi hasn't leaked anything at all. This isn't like Kyrie demanding a trade.
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If he was going to be shut down for the year I think they wouldn't be announcing his status game to game. They are either doing this because they really think he might be back or they know he won't and are making a statement regarding the lack of communication between the two parties.
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Kupchak and the Hornets are interviewing Messina for the head choaching job.
 
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