The hitting coach would be in trouble in other organizations.Seven Costanza said:
It really is astounding to have so many of your regulars finish the season hitting below .200.
Andrus, Odor, Gallo, Calhoun, and Santana.
I hate the astros a lot less now that Reid Ryan is gone.Proposition Joe said:
I mean, much of the national media glossed over that Reid Ryan insinuated that we didn't care about Harvey victims only to later admit that he just wanted a competitive advantage.
The whole franchise during that time period was devoid of righteousness. It was "win at all costs".
I think most of elvis's development was done by the Braves.TXAggie2011 said:
Are Mitch Moreland and Elvis Andrus the only two hitters the Rangers have actually shepherded into having real multi year effectiveness at the MLB level since the Ian Kinsler/David Murphy generation?
And even Mitch Moreland has had some real downs.
Like maybe Joey Gallo will get there, sure, but man, he's still been a roller coaster.
bigcat22 said:
David Murphy also came up through Red Sox organization and was MLB player when traded to the Rangers.
In terms of pure home grown offensive power house, the last I can think of is Teixeira, which was like 20 years ago...
The rangers were the talk of MLB from 2009-2013.alvtimes said:
anyone else think that maybe AJ Preller (padres) was doing the heavy liftin for JD when he was here??? Padres farm seems well stocked and MLB team seems ready to compete..... Rangers .... not so much
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"I think I'm going to be here forever," Odor said. "I don't want to play for another team. I love this team, and I want to be here. I want to win with this team. I always look at it like I have to win my job."
I'm going to go kill myself.J.P. 03 said:
Found this quote in an Evan Grant article today in case Grapesoda needs a new signature:Quote:
"I think I'm going to be here forever," Odor said. "I don't want to play for another team. I love this team, and I want to be here. I want to win with this team. I always look at it like I have to win my job."
We should seriously just have him work on his defense, then use the DH to hit for him. Let Lynn, Kluber, etc. hit as pitchers in the 9 spot.EastSideAg2002 said:
Where does he rank in KOs by a 2nd baseman?
Where did you get these numbers? You left off a bunch of huge names.DallasAg 94 said:
At the age of 26... Odor is currently #10 All-Time in HRs by a 2B.
1. Ron Santo: 342 <- MLB has him as a 2B, but only played 41G at 2B. he played 2119 @ 3B.
2. Biggio: 291 (226 as a 2B)
3. Lou Whitaker: 244
4. Bobby Doerr: 223
5. Roberto Alomar: 210
6. Ray Durham: 192
7. Charlie Gehringer: 184
8. Frank White: 160
9 Kelly Johnson: 155
10: Odor: 146 (145 as a 2B)
11.: Pedroia: 140
His 458 RBIs put him at #46.
shouldnt it matter at all that the guy always hits below .200, his defense at 2nd is questionable at best, and he never draws walks to boost the on base percentage?DallasAg 94 said:Here is the thing I've tried to explain on here, about Rougie...J.P. 03 said:
Found this quote in an Evan Grant article today in case Grapesoda needs a new signature:Quote:
"I think I'm going to be here forever," Odor said. "I don't want to play for another team. I love this team, and I want to be here. I want to win with this team. I always look at it like I have to win my job."
He led the team in HRs and RBIs, this season (and last season), despite playing in only 40 of the 60 games.
2020
Odor: 40 G, 10 HR, 30 RBI <- 26G @ 5th and 6th in the lineup
Gallo: 47 G, 10 HR, 26 RBI
Solak: 58 G, 2 HR, 23 RBI
Choo: 33 G, 5 HR, 15 RBI
Calhoun: 29 G, 1 HR, 13 RBI
2019
Odor: 145 G, 30 HR, 93 RBI <- 94G @ 6th & 7th in the order
Santana: 130 G, 28 HR, 81 RBI
Andrus: 147 G, 12 HR, 72 RBI
Choo: 151 G, 24 HR, 61 RBI
Gallo: 70 G, 22 HR, 49 RBI
Nobody has produced more Runs the past 2 years, than Odor. And it isn't even close. And he has done it from the bottom of the lineup.
If you have a guy that can put up 30 HRs and 100 RBI playing 2B, and hitting in the 6/7 hole?! That's easy money.
DallasAg 94 said:Here is the thing I've tried to explain on here, about Rougie...J.P. 03 said:
Found this quote in an Evan Grant article today in case Grapesoda needs a new signature:Quote:
"I think I'm going to be here forever," Odor said. "I don't want to play for another team. I love this team, and I want to be here. I want to win with this team. I always look at it like I have to win my job."
He led the team in HRs and RBIs, this season (and last season), despite playing in only 40 of the 60 games.
2020
Odor: 40 G, 10 HR, 30 RBI <- 26G @ 5th and 6th in the lineup
Gallo: 47 G, 10 HR, 26 RBI
Solak: 58 G, 2 HR, 23 RBI
Choo: 33 G, 5 HR, 15 RBI
Calhoun: 29 G, 1 HR, 13 RBI
Nobody has produced more Runs the past 2 years, than Odor. And it isn't even close. And he has done it from the bottom of the lineup.
If you have a guy that can put up 30 HRs and 100 RBI playing 2B, and hitting in the 6/7 hole?! That's easy money.
It's wrong.DallasAg 94 said:Give me the stat that shows "Stranded on base." Especially in the 6 and 7 hole.Grapesoda2525 said:
shouldnt it matter at all that the guy always hits below .200, his defense at 2nd is questionable at best, and he never draws walks to boost the on base percentage?
he's still a terrible player who the rest of MLB would not want anything to do with.
id rather have a second baseman who was intelligent, hit for avg, played good defense and had a decent on base percentage.
I strongly prefer defense up the middle and power on the corners. I don't want a guy who plays below average defense and has below average OBP starting for me at 2nd. If he was a gold glove 2B and hit .200 with 20HRs (normal year) then I'd deal with it. But he isn't a good defender and he can't be counted on at the plate. Need a hit, he will K. Game is over and out of reach, he will get you a HR.
The pitcher he hit those 2 home runs on the last day of the season won't be pitching for the Astros in the playoffs coming up. He feasts off bad pitching and racks up stats when it doesn't matter. He doesn't contribute when it matters.
I've spoken to this many times... I don't like the philosophy, but it is (or was) prevalent... and was throughout the Rangers organization, et al. It is why you see them still trying to mash the ball into a shift. It is why the Rangers consistently hit big power numbers, but terrible for average.
It is believed swinging for the fences, even if down 0-2 in the count... it is more productive scoring runs, than taking what the pitcher and the defense give you.
It is like the Sac Bunt. Statistically, it is giving up an Out.
Seemed like it was something Anthony Iapoce (brought in for 2016) implemented system wide...
