snowdog90 said:

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Just curious, do you like the Clintons? Do you think they've never had anyone killed? Do you think the Clinton Foundation is actually a charitable organization and not a tool for the Clintons to amass $300m in less than 20 years?

Do you think Epstein's death didn't benefit the Clintons?

Sorry so many questions, but I'm curious.

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The New York City medical examiner said Jeffrey Epstein's autopsy results are expected Sunday afternoon, according to WNBC.

Epstein, accused of sexually assaulting and trafficking girls as young as 14, was found dead Saturday morning after he hanged himself in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, sources told NBC News.

After a previous suicide attempt on July 23, Epstein was put on 24-hour suicide watch for six days, then removed to a special housing unit with another inmate, according to prison officials. The other inmate was later moved out of the unit, leaving Epstein alone and not properly monitored by guards.

The FBI and Justice Department are investigating the apparent suicide as questions linger over why Epstein was alone without a cellmate after being taken off suicide watch, a decision in violation of the jail's standard procedure. Guards were also supposed to check on Epstein every half hour, which was apparently not done.

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Attorney General William Barr says he's appalled by the death of sexual offender Jeffrey Epstein in a jail cell Saturday, and he's not alone. The death by apparent suicide of the politically connected financier couldn't have been scripted better to undermine trust in law enforcement and the prison and legal systems.


Epstein's accusers are rightly upset that they won't get their day in court to prove their claims. Conspiracy theorists are also suggesting that perhaps Epstein was killed in jail so he wouldn't expose the names of his famous friends who joined him in allegedly exploiting young women and girls for sex. He had pleaded not guilty.

But you don't have to believe in conspiracy to question the competence of the Federal Bureau of Prisons and Epstein's prosecutor, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York Geoffrey Berman. Epstein had already been found close to death once from what was either a suicide attempt or an assault.


Epstein was removed for psychological evaluation, but media reports say he was sent back to his cell in late July. Prison officials had to know he was a suicide risk no matter what he told the psychologists, yet press reports say he wasn't on suicide watch. Why not?

As Nebraska Sen. Ben Sasse said in a letter to Mr. Barr: "Every single person in the Justice Department from your Main Justice headquarters staff all the way to the night-shift jailer knew that this man was a suicide risk, and that his dark secrets couldn't be allowed to die with him."

Mr. Barr has asked the Justice Department inspector general and the FBI to investigate, and the results need to be made public for the sake of public confidence. This kind of fiasco is why so many Americans mistrust government.

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aggiehawg said:

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It is just amazing how many protocols and rules were broken regarding Epstein's handling.

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BMX Bandit said:

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Prisons not following protocols or rules is common place. One would hope that with such a high priority person that wouldn't happen. Time will tell if that's what happened here or if murder

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BMX Bandit said:

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It stinks to high heaven. And while I assume rules are followed more closely with high profile people, that assumption may be placing more faith in the government guards than is warranted

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He would have continued to be interviewed daily by the Program Coordinator, the psychologist in charge of the MCC's suicide prevention program. The Program Coordinator is required to "record clinical notes following each visit."

And the Program Coordinator would have had to continue consulting with the Regional Psychology Administrator, as was required when Epstein first went on suicide watch and again when it extended beyond 72 hours.

Meanwhile, the inmate companions would have maintained their 24-hour watch. A companion would have only needed to sound an alert for the prison staff to spring into action.

"In all cases, when an inmate observer alerts staff to an emergency situation, staff must immediately respond to the suicide watch room and take necessary action to prevent the inmate on watch from incurring debilitating injury or death," the regulations state. "In no case will an inmate observer be assigned to a watch without adequate provisions for staff supervision or without the ability to obtain immediate staff assistance."

The regulations add in bold, "THE DECISION TO USE INMATE OBSERVERS MUST BE PREDICATED ON THE FACT THAT IT TAKES ONLY THREE TO FOUR MINUTES FOR MANY SUICIDE DEATHS TO OCCUR."

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BMX Bandit said:

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I know. I linked the policy above

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Tanya 93 said:

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snowdog90 said:

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Just curious, do you like the Clintons? Do you think they've never had anyone killed? Do you think the Clinton Foundation is actually a charitable organization and not a tool for the Clintons to amass $300m in less than 20 years?

Do you think Epstein's death didn't benefit the Clintons?

Sorry so many questions, but I'm curious.

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I like Bill.

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There's no surveillance video of the incident during which Jeffrey Epstein apparently hanged himself in a federal lockup in Lower Manhattan, law-enforcement officials told The Post on Sunday.

Although there are cameras in the 9 South wingwhere the convicted pedophile was being held at the Metropolitan Correctional Center, they are trained on the areas outside the cells and not inside, according to sources familiar with the setup there.

Pols who attended Sunday's annual Dominican Day Parade in Manhattan demanded answers to the many questions surrounding Epstein's Saturday morning death, which is being investigated by the FBI and the Justice Department.

"Something doesn't smell right and it's not his dead body," Brooklyn Borough President Eric Adams said.

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Pelayo said:

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BMX Bandit said:

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Prisons not following protocols or rules is common place. One would hope that with such a high priority person that wouldn't happen. Time will tell if that's what happened here or if murder

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Is it commonplace that rules and protocols are broken for extremely high profile prisoners?

I can't think of a recent case where the state had such a compelling interest to keep their charge alive that died under such circumstances. It stinks.

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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snowdog90 said:

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Just curious, do you like the Clintons? Do you think they've never had anyone killed? Do you think the Clinton Foundation is actually a charitable organization and not a tool for the Clintons to amass $300m in less than 20 years?

Do you think Epstein's death didn't benefit the Clintons?

Sorry so many questions, but I'm curious.

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I like Bill.

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You like a rapist and serial sexual harasser? Both of which are pretty much proven regarding Bill.

Come on Tanya. The prolific adultery aside, I thought you were better than that.

I am not sure I will be able to take anything you post seriously from now on. You just lost the moral high ground on pretty much any accusation you make against conservatives.

the only people more morally bankrupt than rapists are pedos and murderers.

and there's strong evidence now that Billy boy was at batting 1/2 there as well.

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Tanya 93 said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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snowdog90 said:

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Just curious, do you like the Clintons? Do you think they've never had anyone killed? Do you think the Clinton Foundation is actually a charitable organization and not a tool for the Clintons to amass $300m in less than 20 years?

Do you think Epstein's death didn't benefit the Clintons?

Sorry so many questions, but I'm curious.

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I like Bill.

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You like a rapist and serial sexual harasser? Both of which are pretty much proven regarding Bill.

Come on Tanya. The prolific adultery aside, I thought you were better than that.

I am not sure I will be able to take anything you post seriously from now on. You just lost the moral high ground on pretty much any accusation you make against conservatives.

the only people more morally bankrupt than rapists are pedos and murderers.

and there's strong evidence now that Billy boy was at batting 1/2 there as well.

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What accusations against conservatives?
I don't call them racists or rapists or sexists.

I don't think you ever thought about me.
Bill did some good things as President.
Yes he is a philanderer, but many highly driven powerful people are.

Bill isn't Hillary. That woman I can't stand.

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Tanya 93 said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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snowdog90 said:

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Just curious, do you like the Clintons? Do you think they've never had anyone killed? Do you think the Clinton Foundation is actually a charitable organization and not a tool for the Clintons to amass $300m in less than 20 years?

Do you think Epstein's death didn't benefit the Clintons?

Sorry so many questions, but I'm curious.

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I like Bill.

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You like a rapist and serial sexual harasser? Both of which are pretty much proven regarding Bill.

Come on Tanya. The prolific adultery aside, I thought you were better than that.

I am not sure I will be able to take anything you post seriously from now on. You just lost the moral high ground on pretty much any accusation you make against conservatives.

the only people more morally bankrupt than rapists are pedos and murderers.

and there's strong evidence now that Billy boy was at batting 1/2 there as well.

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What accusations against conservatives?
I don't call them racists or rapists or sexists.

I don't think you ever thought about me.
Bill did some good things as President.
Yes he is a philanderer, but many highly driven powerful people are.

Bill isn't Hillary. That woman I can't stand.

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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snowdog90 said:

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Just curious, do you like the Clintons? Do you think they've never had anyone killed? Do you think the Clinton Foundation is actually a charitable organization and not a tool for the Clintons to amass $300m in less than 20 years?

Do you think Epstein's death didn't benefit the Clintons?

Sorry so many questions, but I'm curious.

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I like Bill.

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You like a rapist and serial sexual harasser? Both of which are pretty much proven regarding Bill.

Come on Tanya. The prolific adultery aside, I thought you were better than that.

I am not sure I will be able to take anything you post seriously from now on. You just lost the moral high ground on pretty much any accusation you make against conservatives.

the only people more morally bankrupt than rapists are pedos and murderers.

and there's strong evidence now that Billy boy was at batting 1/2 there as well.

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What accusations against conservatives?
I don't call them racists or rapists or sexists.

I don't think you ever thought about me.
Bill did some good things as President.
Yes he is a philanderer, but many highly driven powerful people are.

Bill isn't Hillary. That woman I can't stand.

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for the record i enjoy listening to other people's views even if i disagree with them. it helps me see the other side of arguments and either reaffirms my own stance or opens me up to things i had not considered. you are a poster with a unique POV....so yeah I do read your posts.

Never seen you call conservatives names. But when someone openly states they like a rapist then its real hard for that person to debate people on other moral issues and take the moral high ground in any future argument.

and yeah....Bill isn't just a philanderer. he's a rapist.

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aggiehawg said:

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Can we stop the thread derail, now?

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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Ags4DaWin said:

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Tanya 93 said:

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snowdog90 said:

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Just curious, do you like the Clintons? Do you think they've never had anyone killed? Do you think the Clinton Foundation is actually a charitable organization and not a tool for the Clintons to amass $300m in less than 20 years?

Do you think Epstein's death didn't benefit the Clintons?

Sorry so many questions, but I'm curious.

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I like Bill.

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You like a rapist and serial sexual harasser? Both of which are pretty much proven regarding Bill.

Come on Tanya. The prolific adultery aside, I thought you were better than that.

I am not sure I will be able to take anything you post seriously from now on. You just lost the moral high ground on pretty much any accusation you make against conservatives.

the only people more morally bankrupt than rapists are pedos and murderers.

and there's strong evidence now that Billy boy was at batting 1/2 there as well.

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What accusations against conservatives?
I don't call them racists or rapists or sexists.

I don't think you ever thought about me.
Bill did some good things as President.
Yes he is a philanderer, but many highly driven powerful people are.

Bill isn't Hillary. That woman I can't stand.

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for the record i enjoy listening to other people's views even if i disagree with them. it helps me see the other side of arguments and either reaffirms my own stance or opens me up to things i had not considered. you are a poster with a unique POV....so yeah I do read your posts.

Never seen you call conservatives names. But when someone openly states they like a rapist then its real hard for that person to debate people on other moral issues and take the moral high ground in any future argument.

and yeah....Bill isn't just a philanderer. he's a rapist.

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aggiehawg said:

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Can we stop the thread derail, now?

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I saw your post and instantly knew who the culprit was.

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BMX Bandit said:

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This is nowhere near finished

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Bill isn't Hillary. That woman I can't stand.

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