Jeffrey Epstein Arrested For Sex Trafficking of Minors

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7:53p, 7/14/19
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Once the NXIM stuff was being prosecuted, it was a matter if time when the circle closed back to Epstein.

I really find it odd that no new (post 2008) allegations have emerged, though. I suspect that the repeated calls from the US Attorney's office for the SDNY for other victims to come forward was geared to achieve that same end. his Virgin Island and Paris homes.

It could be he off-shored his activities for just that reason after 2008. Restricting his activities to his island (still in US territory) or Paris homes.

I find it very hard to believe he just stopped cold turkey after 2008. People who have doing that stuff for decades rarely just stop.
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8:55p, 7/14/19
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Chinese billionaires going down now too. Not a coincidence.
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8:56p, 7/14/19
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New claims

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-14/victorias-dirtiest-secret-epstein-demanded-casting-couch-sex-acts-aspiring-models



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Epstein, who was formerly 'close' friends with Victoria's Secret owner Leslie Wexner, "relied on ...[the] modeling business to source underage girls for sex," according to investigative reporter Conchita Sarnoff's new book "Trafficking."

According to an account by Italian model Elisabetta Tai, Epstein tried to take advantage of the 21-year-old aspiring Victoria's Secret model in 2004 after she was promised that a meeting with a 'very important' man could land her a gig with the apparel company.
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In reply to cbr • 8:57p, 7/14/19
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cbr said:
Chinese billionaires going down now too. Not a coincidence.
Link?
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In reply to whatthehey78 • 9:06p, 7/14/19
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whatthehey78 said:
cbr said:
Chinese billionaires going down now too. Not a coincidence.
Link?


Lots. Expect this guy to turn out to be a big dnc donor as well.

https://www.mingtiandi.com/real-estate/finance-real-estate/seazen-holdings-chairman-wang-arrested-for-molesting-girl/
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In reply to Repeat the Line • 9:25p, 7/14/19
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That actually crossed my mind but would be so over the top suspicious the public's imagination would be primed to believe anything about anyone.

Unless you could really make it look like natural causes but how would you do that?
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In reply to Madman • 5:35a, 7/15/19
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That actually crossed my mind but would be so over the top suspicious the public's imagination would be primed to believe anything about anyone.

Unless you could really make it look like natural causes but how would you do that?
In the days when I was active in forensic pathology, I used to teach a seminar to law enforcement, paramedics & emergency room personnel entitled "Things Are Not Always As They Appear"....apparent suicides that were homicides, apparent accidental deaths that were suicides, apparent natural deaths that were homicides, etc.
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In reply to drcrinum • 7:06a, 7/15/19
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drcrinum said:
Madman said:
That actually crossed my mind but would be so over the top suspicious the public's imagination would be primed to believe anything about anyone.

Unless you could really make it look like natural causes but how would you do that?
In the days when I was active in forensic pathology, I used to teach a seminar to law enforcement, paramedics & emergency room personnel entitled "Things Are Not Always As They Appear"....apparent suicides that were homicides, apparent accidental deaths that were suicides, apparent natural deaths that were homicides, etc.
I've often wondered what percentage of head-on collisions were really suicides.

A number of years ago, I read about a kid in a neighboring town who had always made straight A's went away to college where he didn't make straight A's as a freshman. He was very despondent and while driving home at the end of the semester, he died in a head-on collision with a tractor-trailer rig. The driver of the tractor-trailer rig said that it was clear from the way the accident happened that he drove into the path of the truck intentionally to have a head-on collision.
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8:12a, 7/15/19
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Epstein's cell is close to El Chapo's.

But what I find interesting is the characterization of the jail conditions, even if it is coming from Chapo's lawyer.

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Accused pedophile Jeffrey Epstein is being kept this close to El Chapo at a Manhattan jail, sources told The Post.

Epstein who was arrested on sex-crime charges last week landed in cell No. 4, three doors down from Mexican drug kingpin Joaquin "El Chapo'' Guzman, sources said.

Chapo is in cell No. 1 in the notorious solitary-confinement unit of the Metropolitan Correctional Center known as "10 South."

"The place is so fking disgusting," Chapo's lawyer, Jeffrey Lichtman, told The Post.
"In the winter, when it's 30 degrees outside, you're freezing your a off because they're blowing air conditioning on you.

"They don't give you a toothbrush, you don't get soap at the beginning.

"I've heard stories about the mice who are running across the cells who knows what kinds of diseases they carry."
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The six-unit cell block is reserved for the worst of the worst, including terrorists, at the MCC, which is typically a temporary holding facility.
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So he's in solitary confinement, as expected. I wonder if Manafort is still there, too?
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In reply to oysterbayAG • 9:01a, 7/15/19
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I suspect that's an autocorrect typo but it's fortunate that it includes the "o" lest the pink knitted hat crowd make reference to grabbing the by the pvssy.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 9:15a, 7/15/19
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aggiehawg said:
Epstein's cell is close to El Chapo's.

But what I find interesting is the characterization of the jail conditions, even if it is coming from Chapo's lawyer.

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Accused pedophile Jeffrey Epstein is being kept this close to El Chapo at a Manhattan jail, sources told The Post.

Epstein who was arrested on sex-crime charges last week landed in cell No. 4, three doors down from Mexican drug kingpin Joaquin "El Chapo'' Guzman, sources said.

Chapo is in cell No. 1 in the notorious solitary-confinement unit of the Metropolitan Correctional Center known as "10 South."

"The place is so fking disgusting," Chapo's lawyer, Jeffrey Lichtman, told The Post.
"In the winter, when it's 30 degrees outside, you're freezing your a off because they're blowing air conditioning on you.

"They don't give you a toothbrush, you don't get soap at the beginning.

"I've heard stories about the mice who are running across the cells who knows what kinds of diseases they carry."
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The six-unit cell block is reserved for the worst of the worst, including terrorists, at the MCC, which is typically a temporary holding facility.
LINK

So he's in solitary confinement, as expected. I wonder if Manafort is still there, too?
It got lost in the news but they didn't go through with putting Manafort in there, last I heard. The story I saw was that someone at Main DOJ contacted the NY DA's office and told them they'd be checking on things with him if he got sent there, so they backed off.
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9:18a, 7/15/19
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That's quite a nexus. The Bronfmans. NXIM, Werner, Epstein. Maxwell, The CF. Lots of interested parties and powerful people involved. Epstein does seem like the type that will ultimately squeal to save his skin. Let's hope the DOJ isn't fully comprised and at least partial justice is served.
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In reply to FTAG 2000 • 9:27a, 7/15/19
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It got lost in the news but they didn't go through with putting Manafort in there, last I heard. The story I saw was that someone at Main DOJ contacted the NY DA's office and told them they'd be checking on things with him if he got sent there, so they backed off.
The Manhattan DA's office wanted to send Manafort to Rikers Island, not the the Metropolitan Correctional Center. DOJ objected to that but was okay with the MCC for a temporary stay having directly to do with hearings involving his state charges. Other than that, Manafort is to stay in federal custody, Pennsylvania, IIRC.
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10:42a, 7/15/19
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This is getting weirder and weirder... I almost wonder if Jeff Epstein isn't his real name

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In reply to bigcat22 • 10:43a, 7/15/19
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bigcat22 said:
This is getting weirder and weirder... I almost wonder if Jeff Epstein isn't his real name

cue the classroom pic of him teaching with his own name misspelled on the blackboard
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11:06a, 7/15/19
Some of the victims are in court today as well.
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In reply to HTownAg98 • 11:08a, 7/15/19
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Some of the victims are in court today as well.
Is this the first on record claim about his NM ranch?

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11:17a, 7/15/19
The judge will decide on bail issue on Thursday.
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In reply to biobioprof • 11:18a, 7/15/19
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Major Mann Act violations going on here.
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11:20a, 7/15/19
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There should be no bail. He has a history of travel, owns multiple properties, has connections, has sketchy history, has what appears to be large amounts of money and if he doesn't then he's clearly a con artist who we don't even know.
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11:23a, 7/15/19
I'm inclined to think that Judge Berman is going to order that he be held without bail.
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In reply to TAMUallen • 11:24a, 7/15/19
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TAMUallen said:
There should be no bail. He has a history of travel, owns multiple properties, has connections, has sketchy history, has what appears to be large amounts of money and if he doesn't then he's clearly a con artist who we don't even know.
Not to mention a history of witness intimidation and tampering.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 11:26a, 7/15/19
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Major Mann Act violations going on here.
When I first heard this joke, I was so young that I didn't know what the Mann Act was

http://joshblackman.com/blog/2009/12/21/the-best-mann-act-joke-ive-ever-heard-courtesy-of-professor-rotunda/

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A zookeeper fed his long-lived dolphins sea gulls, which was the secret to their longevity. One night he was was carrying the gulls, but he had to jump over a sleeping lion, and so he was arrested for transporting gulls across staid lions for immortal porpoises
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In reply to HTownAg98 • 11:54a, 7/15/19
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HTownAg98 said:
I'm inclined to think that Judge Berman is going to order that he be held without bail.
Only if Berman gets a superceding indictment for activities after 2008, perhaps. There is a good argument to be made that the no-pros in Florida also applies to SDNY, under Gamble, since it is not separate sovereigns like the state versus federal.

Both the Southern District of Florida and the Southern District of New York are the same sovereign.

OTOH, one federal district should not be able to bind another particularly when the non-consenting district has similar crimes that were committed within their jurisdiction and outside of Florida's jurisdiction. Gamble didn't specifically address the differences in jurisdiction.
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In reply to HTownAg98 • 11:57a, 7/15/19
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At least he had enough sense not to use the name "Epstein" if he was planning to hide in SA

Edit - reply was meant for BigCat22
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In reply to aggiehawg • 12:27p, 7/15/19
aggiehawg said:
HTownAg98 said:
I'm inclined to think that Judge Berman is going to order that he be held without bail.
Only if Berman gets a superceding indictment for activities after 2008, perhaps. There is a good argument to be made that the no-pros in Florida also applies to SDNY, under Gamble, since it is not separate sovereigns like the state versus federal.

Both the Southern District of Florida and the Southern District of New York are the same sovereign.

OTOH, one federal district should not be able to bind another particularly when the non-consenting district has similar crimes that were committed within their jurisdiction and outside of Florida's jurisdiction. Gamble didn't specifically address the differences in jurisdiction.
As you well know, IANAL, but regarding the NPA wouldn't that issue arise in a context outside of the bail issue? This was in a different context, but is it relevant wrt the NPA?



I'm reading that as saying the Fed bail statute having tougher burdens on the D for child trafficking.

Also, does the earlier ruling on Victims Rights Act Violation affect it's use by the D?
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In reply to biobioprof • 12:44p, 7/15/19
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As you well know, IANAL, but regarding the NPA wouldn't that issue arise in a context outside of the bail issue? This was in a different context, but is it relevant wrt the NPA?
Obviously I can't read the judge's mind but the issue has been raised by the defense, so he can take that into consideration in deciding whether to grant bail. Is the indictment likely to be thrown out anyway?

Also your question whether the concealment of the NPA from the victims violated the law (it did) and how that plays into the enforceability of the NPA in the SDNY, I honestly don't know. I would imagine it would militate towards voiding the NPA as to the SDNY.

As to the defense still using the NPA, their argument would be, "Yeah, we asked for that (concealment from the victims) but the prosecution didn't have to agree to it."

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https://www.apnews.com/a20482f5b28e466891960800de1c4a07

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In addition to the charges in the indictment, prosecutors are also reviewing dozens of electronic files seized during the raid on Epstein's New York residence, finding even more photos than the trove of pictures of nude and seminude young women and girls they had reported prior to a court hearing a week ago.
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2:50p, 7/15/19
I would hope that the judge denies bail. Whatever huge amount it would be, JE would pay it, then vanish. Plus, awaiting and during trial might be the only time he spends locked up. You know he and his backers will do everything they can to taint the process - bribes galore.
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Just wanted to post a falsehood about Epstein's work as a teacher at Dalton HS. He was not, repeat, not hired by Bill Barr's father.

His father quit his job at Dalton in February 1974, as reported by the NYT.

Epstein started the following fall.

LINK
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In reply to aggiehawg • 3:01p, 7/15/19
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aggiehawg said:
Just wanted to post a falsehood about Epstein's work as a teacher at Dalton HS. He was not, repeat, not hired by Bill Barr's father.

His father quit his job at Dalton in February 1974, as reported by the NYT.

Epstein started the following fall.

LINK
God, that would be some serious shark-jumping.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 3:09p, 7/15/19
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aggiehawg said:
HTownAg98 said:
I'm inclined to think that Judge Berman is going to order that he be held without bail.
Only if Berman gets a superceding indictment for activities after 2008, perhaps. There is a good argument to be made that the no-pros in Florida also applies to SDNY, under Gamble, since it is not separate sovereigns like the state versus federal.

Both the Southern District of Florida and the Southern District of New York are the same sovereign.

OTOH, one federal district should not be able to bind another particularly when the non-consenting district has similar crimes that were committed within their jurisdiction and outside of Florida's jurisdiction. Gamble didn't specifically address the differences in jurisdiction.
Would an NPA cover everything that the defendant had ever done? It seems to me that any NPA would be limited to only those crimes that the prosecutors specifically knew about.

For an NPA, does the defendant need to itemize the crimes that he committed in order for them to be covered by the NPA?

For example, if he trafficked girls that the prosecutor was not advised of, why should that be covered by an NPA? Or if he was found to be in possession of child porn that was not previously known of, why should that be covered? And considering that the on-going possession of child porn is itself illegal, why should an NPA from more than a decade ago cover him for possessing it up to a couple of weeks ago even if it was something he possessed at the time of the NPA?

If you can get an NPA that covers all past crimes and many future crimes, that seems like an awfully big gift for the defendant.
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In reply to eric76 • 3:26p, 7/15/19
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was wondering this as well. why would the agreement be valid when he was still in possession of child porn? Wouldn't new evidence and/or new crimes end the agreement as well?
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