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Well, well, well, who could this be?

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snowdog90 said:

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It amazes me the lengths skeptics will go to remain skeptical. I imagine most skeptics who live in their fantasy world only believing what they see in their normal, typical lives would never have believed the whole Epstein story.

Skeptic: Oh, right, some dude out there is trafficking in young girls to some island where the rich and powerful people of the world can rape and victimize them. Go get your tinfoil hat.

Response: Um, yeah, his name is Jeffrey Epstein and he was just arrested.

Skeptic: Oh.

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Response: Yeah, and on this island, he had a Satanic Temple with an elaborate system of underground tunnels. It's possible all kinds of evil stuff like torture and human sacrifices were going on.

Skeptic: Oh, come on. Human sacrifice?? Go get your tinfoil hat, flat earther. Just because he was trafficking young kids to rape and torture and had a Satanic Temple doesn't mean they were sacrificing humans, you weirdo.

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How big of a leap is it to think someone so evil that they would traffic young kids (or anyone) for rape, sodomy, torture might also be evil enough to kill some of those people? The temple is right there, genius, is it really such a huge leap?

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The sad truth is that this **** exists. The incredibly rich live by no rules. They don't give a **** about you or me. They do whatever they want and they love it. They control EVERYTHING. These people could alleviate incredible amounts of suffering in the world and they wouldn't even notice it in their bank accounts. But they don't. They choose to keep their billions and accumulate more at all costs. Why?

Because that's their goal. That's their sick game. They stay at the top, preying on the misery of the masses, many times contributing to that misery. What figure would people like this be drawn to? A figure that preaches hedonism, greed, selfishness, hate, spite, lust, enmity...

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Wake the **** up! This is not new. Your imaginary world would be awesome to live in, but it is not reality.

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aggiehawg said:

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Well, well, well, who could this be?

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Opposing counsel's position is both "Unopposed" and "Opposed"?

Who is Kerrie L. Campbell and from what law firm?

I did find this article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/20/business/dealbook/chadbourne-parke-discrimination.html

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Ms. Campbell has represented public figures, including G. Gordon Liddy, Deepak Chopra, and Mark Felt, Sr. ("Deep Throat") in high-profile cases and obtained the largest defamation jury verdict affirmed by the Virginia Supreme Court against a local news station based on a false and defamatory "I Team" investigative report.

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The dearth of detailed financial information about the defendant himself, much less his brother or friend, further shows the hollowness of the proposal. The Court cannot possibly evaluate whether there would be any incentive whatsoever for those the two proposed co-signers to exercise moral suasion over the defendantor whether, as noted above, the defendant could easily compensate them, perhaps many times over, for any loss they incurred through the defendant's flight from justice.

The defendant provides no information about his brother other than that he lives half the year in the home he purportedly would pledge, and even less information about Mr. Mitchell, other than that he is "Mr. Epstein's friend," his "close personal friend of decades," and his "close personal friend." Release Motion at 4, 9. Their willingness to "guarantee"his appearance, Release Motion at 9, is meaningless in the absence of such information.Moreover, the notion that any individual co-signer could meaningfully secure a bond for this defendant strains credulity.

Given the defendant's wealth and his extraordinary risk of flight,any bond for this defendant would assuredly have to be in the hundreds of millions of dollars to even be claimed to be sufficient to guard against the risks posed by the defendant's release. The defendant offers no reason to believe any co-signers could meaningfully sign such a bond, much less these two particular individuals, which is yet another reason the proposed package is patently insufficient.

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And Epstein's efforts to influence witnesses continue to this day. As in the past, within recent months. he paid significant amounts of money to influence individuals who were close to him during the time period charged in this case and who might be witnesses against him at a trial.By way of background, on or about November 28, 2018, the Miami Herald began publishing a series of articles relating to the defendant, his conduct, and the circumstances of his prior conviction and the non-prosecution agreement ("NPA").

Records obtained by the Government from Institution-1 appear to show that just two days later, on or about November 30, 2018, the defendant wired $100,000 from a trust account he controlled to an individual named as a possible co-conspirator in the NPA.

The same records appear to show that just three days after that, on or about December 3, 2018, the defendant wired $250,000 from the same trust account to another individual named as a possible co-conspirator in the NPA and also identified as one of the defendant's employees in the Indictment.

Neither of these payments appears to be recurring or repeating during the approximately five years of bank records presently available to the Government. This course of action, and in particular its timing, suggests the defendant was attempting to further influence co-conspirators who might provide information against him in light of the recently re-emerging allegations.

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Some of Jeffrey Epstein's former students have been remembering their former teacher in the wake of his arrest and not-guilty plea on federal sex trafficking charges in New York.

The now 66-year-old hedge fund manager is accused of paying underage girls hundreds of dollars for massages and then molesting them at various locations from 2002 through 2005.

But Epstein, who taught calculus and physics at Manhattan's coed Dalton School on the Upper East Side in the 1970s, appears to have been a polarizing figure there with some remembering him as a caring teacher, while others say he was lousy and a creep.

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Although there is no suggestion anything untoward took place at The Dalton School, students from classes in the 1970s say the era as a whole was sexually permissive.

Student-faculty relationships were 'generally seen as eyebrow-raising rather than abusive', according to the Post.

'What's sickening is that a creep like Epstein took that and never let go of it,' said an anonymous student.

'There were a number of teachers who looked at the student body as their next meal,' said Mark Robinson who graduated in 1974.

'It's a little icky; you want to have positive memories, clear, clean, nostalgic memories of your school days,' said Robinson. 'You don't like to remember the things that are unpleasant. And this kind of pushes it up in your face.'

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Another former student remembered Epstein showing up at a party where students were drinking, and paid most attention to the girls in hallways and classrooms.

'I can remember thinking at the time, 'This is wrong,' said Scott Spizer to the Times.
'There was a real clarity of the inappropriateness of the behavior that this isn't how adult male teachers conduct themselves,' another student, Millicent Young said.

Dalton graduate Paul Grossman said that he never had Epstein in class but that he was known among students as a math whiz.

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captkirk said:

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Any update on this report?

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biobioprof said:

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richardag said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Well, well, well, who could this be?

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Opposing counsel's position is both "Unopposed" and "Opposed"?

Who is Kerrie L. Campbell and from what law firm?

I did find this article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/20/business/dealbook/chadbourne-parke-discrimination.html

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I think this the same one

https://www.kcamlaw.com/practice-areas/crisis-management-attorney/

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Ms. Campbell has represented public figures, including G. Gordon Liddy, Deepak Chopra, and Mark Felt, Sr. ("Deep Throat") in high-profile cases and obtained the largest defamation jury verdict affirmed by the Virginia Supreme Court against a local news station based on a false and defamatory "I Team" investigative report.

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Shouldn't they be raiding all his properties? Why hasn't that happened? Why didn't they search any of his properties in '08 or for that matter any time between '03 and '08?

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whatthehey78 said:

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Not really all that interested...but could the "temple" be nothing more than a false cover, i.e., facade?

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backintexas2013 said:

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When is his next bail hearing

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The people at the top I'm referring to are not (presumably) people like you - college-educated successful people making good money, raising their families. Hell, that was me 10 years ago. No, I'm talking about people like the Rockefellers, Rothschild's, people that own and run the banks. And to a lesser extent, the puppets of those elites - the Clinton's, the Bush's, John McCain (good riddance), John Kerry... the list is long.

These people don't care about you or me. They live by no rules. We are their playthings. People like you (presumably) are too prominent to be victims of Epstein - that outcome is likely limited to the very poor third-world people that seemingly nobody cares about, nobody will miss. Like Haitian earthquake victims.

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aggiehawg said:

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biobioprof said:

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richardag said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Well, well, well, who could this be?

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Opposing counsel's position is both "Unopposed" and "Opposed"?

Who is Kerrie L. Campbell and from what law firm?

I did find this article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/20/business/dealbook/chadbourne-parke-discrimination.html

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I think this the same one

https://www.kcamlaw.com/practice-areas/crisis-management-attorney/

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Ms. Campbell has represented public figures, including G. Gordon Liddy, Deepak Chopra, and Mark Felt, Sr. ("Deep Throat") in high-profile cases and obtained the largest defamation jury verdict affirmed by the Virginia Supreme Court against a local news station based on a false and defamatory "I Team" investigative report.

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Remember Christine Pelosi said both Republicans and Democrats will get singed, if not consumed by the brush fire Epstein has ignited.

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My questions for you: if it really was one of the high profile people both sides are fantasizing over, I guess the idea is that you wouldn't use a lawyer you were previously associated with, e.g. Giuliani, Lanny Davis etc. How common is it to sub out filings like this for that reason? Is there a different way to redact the filing atty from the filing?

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whatthehey78 said:

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Not really all that interested...but could the "temple" be nothing more than a false cover, i.e., facade?

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Yes. Either way, Occam's razor says it's likely nothing like the crrrazy stuff going around the interweb lately.

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Just like I argued with you on earlier pages, you are very emotional. Smoke doesn't equal evidence. Coincidence and creepiness don't necessarily mean guilt. Does it look like that with Jeff and does he have a history of sexual offenses, yes. Is there clear evidence that he is a satanist and murdered children? No... do the buildings and island make it seem that could be possible, absolutely.

You already proved on earlier pages that you have already decided who is guilty and not, and sense you don't trust the legal system you want to lynch them yourself.

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The people at the top I'm referring to are not (presumably) people like you - college-educated successful people making good money, raising their families. Hell, that was me 10 years ago. No, I'm talking about people like the Rockefellers, Rothschild's, people that own and run the banks. And to a lesser extent, the puppets of those elites - the Clinton's, the Bush's, John McCain (good riddance), John Kerry... the list is long.

These people don't care about you or me. They live by no rules. We are their playthings. People like you (presumably) are too prominent to be victims of Epstein - that outcome is likely limited to the very poor third-world people that seemingly nobody cares about, nobody will miss. Like Haitian earthquake victims.

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You have to stop thinking this way. It's going to eat you up and make you extremely unhappy. Are there evil people that are among the richest and most powerful people in the world? Absolutely. Are all of them colluding to keep someone like you down? No.

"The banks" is always a convenient boogeyman. No one actually knows what you mean. It just sounds scary because it sounds like all the people with control of money are just out to get you, when it's simply not true.

Unfortunately, there isn't a utopia where we are all on an even playing field. There are winners and losers in life. There will always be someone richer than you or me. Someone more good looking, more well known, better looking spouse, luckier, etc. Just because there is disparity doesn't mean that people who have those things are out to get you. That is just envy burning you up inside.

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That Vanity Fair article, when talking about people describing the generous side of his personality listed four examples. Random thing about him giving friends first class airline upgrade stickers(?) that ironically turned out to be fake, and then rattled off three other examples of people referencing how nice he was to their children to round out the section.

Could be coincidence, but I found that to be eery. He's so generous for fake airline upgrades and taking great interest in children. Yikes.

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Continue to be skeptical in the face of all this evidence. Fine.

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This suspicion that Dutroux had been, or was being, protected was raised when the public became aware of Dutroux's claims that he was part of a sex ring that included high-ranking members of the police force and government.

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Regarding the human sacrifice portion of the story... WHAT EVIDENCE? That he has a goofy Islamic looking temple and some tunnels? That's not evidence of human sacrifice, so why make such a leap? Stick with what has real evidence. That is bad enough

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