****Cowboys 2016 Offseason Thread***

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Macarthur
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In reply to BassCowboy33 • 10:06a, 1/24/16
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The guy who would have been optimal is Jaylon Smith but I guess he'll fall...Myles Jack is also interesting but again is he a take at 4 with the injury?

Still the Carson Wentz hype is already insane and Dallas is coaching him next week.


It's crazy. From what I read from scouts, it seems that had he played at any FBS school, he'd be the unanimous #1. The only concerns seem to be his competition.

This.

I really disagree w those that don't like this QB class. Much of what I have read says goff is a better prospect coming out than Winston and some have said wentz compares favorably to luck, as far as physical tools and athleticism.
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In reply to Macarthur • 12:44p, 1/24/16
Thats what I'm saying. How in the world do they have the audacity to say Wentz reminds them of the most highly touted QB to come out of college since maybe ever... Im not saying he wont be better than Luck eventually, but to out that kind of label on a guy that has played absolutely no one is crazy. And they'll continue to say it until its unimaginable that any of the 3 QBs falls out of the top ten. And then they'll all get thrust into playing next year, 2 will be labelled busts, 1 will be promising and we'll do it again next year.
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12:46p, 1/24/16
Much says Goff better than Winston?
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2:56p, 1/24/16
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Romo gonna have surgery on shoulder...
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2:57p, 1/24/16
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We need a servicable backup...
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3:23p, 1/24/16
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Too many teams that need QBs for there to not be at least 2 top 10 QB's; based on film Lynch is the guy who could fall. The Luck comparison even if it is just tools is kinda funny but if Wentz shows anything next weekend and shows out at the combine as expected he could easily leapfrog Goff.

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In reply to RedlineAg08 • 3:39p, 1/24/16
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Thats what I'm saying. How in the world do they have the audacity to say Wentz reminds them of the most highly touted QB to come out of college since maybe ever... Im not saying he wont be better than Luck eventually, but to out that kind of label on a guy that has played absolutely no one is crazy. And they'll continue to say it until its unimaginable that any of the 3 QBs falls out of the top ten. And then they'll all get thrust into playing next year, 2 will be labelled busts, 1 will be promising and we'll do it again next year.


No one said he was Luck. They're saying he's the best in this draft. They aren't talking about him like he's the second coming of Jesus.
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3:40p, 1/24/16
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I would trade up for Jesus.
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4:23p, 1/24/16
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Luck has had a great couple years recently..oh wait.
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4:29p, 1/24/16
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He's not his own GM.
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In reply to PatAg • 5:06p, 1/24/16
Point being? You could point to quite a few things outside of his control for that,
But you still dont have a point because none of that takes away how highly he was thought of by EVERYONE for 2 years before he was drafted..
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In reply to RedlineAg08 • 8:34a, 1/25/16
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Point being? You could point to quite a few things outside of his control for that,
But you still dont have a point because none of that takes away how highly he was thought of by EVERYONE for 2 years before he was drafted..


I'm 29 years old and the only "can't miss" QB prospects that have gone through the draft in that time (that I can remember) were Andrew Luck, Ryan Leaf, and Peyton Manning. Everyone else had the same type of criticism around them that we are seeing of the three kids this year. It's never an exact science.
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In reply to RedlineAg08 • 9:24a, 1/25/16
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Thats what I'm saying. How in the world do they have the audacity to say Wentz reminds them of the most highly touted QB to come out of college since maybe ever... Im not saying he wont be better than Luck eventually, but to out that kind of label on a guy that has played absolutely no one is crazy. And they'll continue to say it until its unimaginable that any of the 3 QBs falls out of the top ten. And then they'll all get thrust into playing next year, 2 will be labelled busts, 1 will be promising and we'll do it again next year.

Good grief. They are using Luck as a physical comparison and reminds them somewhat in style of play.

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9:29a, 1/25/16
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Someone is going to throw a quarterback on the scrap heap and the Cowboys will pick them up. With the proper coaching it could work. Remember, Drew Brees was thrown on the scrap heap.
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In reply to ce1994 • 9:34a, 1/25/16
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Someone is going to throw a quarterback on the scrap heap and the Cowboys will pick them up. With the proper coaching it could work. Remember, Drew Brees was thrown on the scrap heap.


It should be noted that SD decided they were going to run Brees out and drafted Rivers to sit behind him. In that last season, Brees exploded and had ample suitors for him that next offseason.
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9:38a, 1/25/16
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After spending a season as a franchised player, Brees was offered a 5 year $50MM deal from SD even though he had a torn labrum (although it was incentive weighted due to his injury). He ended up getting 6 for $60 from NO. Given that the average salary of a top 5 QB at that point in time was $8MM per year (his franchise year salary), that is hardly thrown on the scrap heap.
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9:38a, 1/25/16
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Which is why the Dolphins chose Culpepper over him. Brees wanted to go to Miami.

There is a quarterback out there that the Cowboys can win with post Romo.
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9:39a, 1/25/16
Brees was also on the scrap heap with very questionable health.
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9:45a, 1/25/16
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Yes, and there are many others like that out there. Plus Brees is short per NFL standards so he had that negative against him.

I am of the opinion that quarterback play is overrated. I do not think there is that much difference in them. It is the players around them, coaching, etc. It is not just the quarterback. This is not punt, pass and kick.
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10:30a, 1/25/16
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I haven't seen Goff under center but I'm sure he won't have a problem adapting considering how great his footwork is now.

The film I have seen of Wentz is nice but he needs some polishing. Plus, with his playing style and injury history I'm not sure how long he'd last in the NFL.

While watching film on Goff his RS-Jr WR Kenny Lawler stood out. That kid has a chance to be something. His hands and body control are amazing. I was shocked that he's listed at 6'3" almost 200. I thought he was much shorter. He needs to improve his route running but his hands and instincts are top notch.

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1:12p, 1/25/16
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Its a fun debate and all. But I give it a 2% chance the Cowboys pick a QB at #4.

I personally think going with Treadwell would be a bad long term strategy as well. So my vote is defensive line or backer IF you love a guy available. At that pick, you need a Miller/Mack/Keuchly level homerun to make it worthwhile. Otherwise, I think we've seen how big of an impact a stud RB can make in this offense. That stud this year is Derek Henry. Henry behind this oline would be absolutely beautiful to watch.
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In reply to Ag Natural • 2:13p, 1/25/16
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Its a fun debate and all. But I give it a 2% chance the Cowboys pick a QB at #4.

I personally think going with Treadwell would be a bad long term strategy as well. So my vote is defensive line or backer IF you love a guy available. At that pick, you need a Miller/Mack/Keuchly level homerun to make it worthwhile. Otherwise, I think we've seen how big of an impact a stud RB can make in this offense. That stud this year is Derek Henry. Henry behind this oline would be absolutely beautiful to watch.


Henry will be available in the early 2nd barring a jump from now to then.
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In reply to ce1994 • 2:31p, 1/25/16
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Which is why the Dolphins chose Culpepper over him. Brees wanted to go to Miami.

There is a quarterback out there that the Cowboys can win with post Romo.

Wow. I think it's really risky to have the 'we'll just find someone' mindset. Leads to the Bledsoe/Testaverde type years.
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In reply to Macarthur • 2:39p, 1/25/16
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Which is why the Dolphins chose Culpepper over him. Brees wanted to go to Miami.

There is a quarterback out there that the Cowboys can win with post Romo.

Wow. I think it's really risky to have the 'we'll just find someone' mindset. Leads to the Bledsoe/Testaverde type years.
The Bledsoe/Testaverde years were some of the better ones in that time. The Hutchinson/Wright/Stoerner/Henson/Leaf time period was pretty awful
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3:27p, 1/25/16
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We could always draft another Quincy Carter in the second round.
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4:07p, 1/25/16
If the Cowboy's skip a QB this draft and just try and upgrade the backups, who projects in next years draft?
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In reply to BassCowboy33 • 4:16p, 1/25/16
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Which is why the Dolphins chose Culpepper over him. Brees wanted to go to Miami.

There is a quarterback out there that the Cowboys can win with post Romo.

Wow. I think it's really risky to have the 'we'll just find someone' mindset. Leads to the Bledsoe/Testaverde type years.
The Bledsoe/Testaverde years were some of the better ones in that time. The Hutchinson/Wright/Stoerner/Henson/Leaf time period was pretty awful

I don't make much of a distinction in any of those.
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In reply to Agnzona • 4:24p, 1/25/16
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If the Cowboy's skip a QB this draft and just try and upgrade the backups, who projects in next years draft?

Maybe D. Watson. C Jones and Barrett from OSU. The kid from Miami might declare - Kaaya, I think. Beyond those top two or three, not much to get excited about. I think this year's group is much stronger.
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In reply to Macarthur • 4:38p, 1/25/16
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If the Cowboy's skip a QB this draft and just try and upgrade the backups, who projects in next years draft?

Maybe D. Watson. C Jones and Barrett from OSU. The kid from Miami might declare - Kaaya, I think. Beyond those top two or three, not much to get excited about. I think this year's group is much stronger.
Kyle Allen!
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4:56p, 1/25/16
If the Cowboys want to take the optimistic view on Romo then they should pick the best defensive players available in the 1st and 2nd round. We should be able to snag some great athletes with those picks. The defense wasn't that bad last year. Just need to add another playmaker on the line and in the secondary.

It is going to be a fascinating draft though. Most people (fairly) don't assume that Romo can stay on the field. I feel like Jerry will gamble with Romo being healthy and choose the best non-QB available. His rationale will be that if the Cowboys get in the playoff/Super Bowl mix next year then a first year QB will not help them. Whereas the FSU corner or the Alabama DT will make an immediate impact.

I can't say that rationale is incorrect but it is short term thinking. Still, if you tell me right now that Romo starts 16 games and the Cowboys add 2 top defensive rookies to their team then I'll put money down that they win the NFC East. They have way more talent on this squad than a 4 win team should.
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In reply to jeffdjohnson • 5:24p, 1/25/16
That's kind of what I was thinking with my question. Worst case if Romo gets hurt early, you got a high pick probably the next few years.
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In reply to Macarthur • 6:42p, 1/25/16
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Which is why the Dolphins chose Culpepper over him. Brees wanted to go to Miami.

There is a quarterback out there that the Cowboys can win with post Romo.

Wow. I think it's really risky to have the 'we'll just find someone' mindset. Leads to the Bledsoe/Testaverde type years.
The Bledsoe/Testaverde years were some of the better ones in that time. The Hutchinson/Wright/Stoerner/Henson/Leaf time period was pretty awful

I don't make much of a distinction in any of those.


The main difference was that Bledsoe and Testaverde threw touchdowns. The other guys didn't.
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In reply to Ag Natural • 9:07p, 1/25/16
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You like Henry over Elliot? Most mocks I've seen have Henry available in the 2nd. I'd love him in the second, not so much at 4.
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In reply to RedlineAg08 • 10:39p, 1/25/16
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Point being? You could point to quite a few things outside of his control for that,
But you still dont have a point because none of that takes away how highly he was thought of by EVERYONE for 2 years before he was drafted..
Not saying he isn't a great qb. Just saying qb's generally don't do well as rookies, and it's a little interesting that he has possibly cooled off.
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In reply to 98Ag99Grad • 10:55p, 1/25/16
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You like Henry over Elliot? Most mocks I've seen have Henry available in the 2nd. I'd love him in the second, not so much at 4.


Yeah, I'd personally prefer Elliot as well now that you mention him. I am intrigued by Henry though.
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