****Cowboys 2016 Offseason Thread***

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If he's the generational player they think he is it will probably be better to be able to negotiate his 2nd before he's in his prime. They have the franchise tag if they need it.

But the problem is leverage. In four years we will have to franchise Smith to get any leverage at all. At that same time, everyone else in this draft except Elliot will also be up for another contract. Byron Jones will be coming off his 5th year option if we don't work out a long-term deal. If we franchise any of our 2015 draft picks, then we can't franchise them a second time.

Due to the 5th year option, you will always have less leverage with a non-1st round pick. Again, picking a guy who can't play for a year makes it extremely difficult to justify a 2nd round pick, and it almost guarantees that you are paying market value on his second contract as you have no leverage. In the cap era, you need good players on their rookie contracts, and veteran players who play better than their cap number. It will be very difficult for Smith to do either. Not impossible, but I'm not holding my breath.
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If he's the generational player they think he is it will probably be better to be able to negotiate his 2nd before he's in his prime. They have the franchise tag if they need it.

But the problem is leverage. In four years we will have to franchise Smith to get any leverage at all. At that same time, everyone else in this draft except Elliot will also be up for another contract. Byron Jones will be coming off his 5th year option if we don't work out a long-term deal. If we franchise any of our 2015 draft picks, then we can't franchise them a second time.

Due to the 5th year option, you will always have less leverage with a non-1st round pick. Again, picking a guy who can't play for a year makes it extremely difficult to justify a 2nd round pick, and it almost guarantees that you are paying market value on his second contract as you have no leverage. In the cap era, you need good players on their rookie contracts, and veteran players who play better than their cap number. It will be very difficult for Smith to do either. Not impossible, but I'm not holding my breath.


Is there some rule that states that you can't franchise someone twice off there first contract? Dallas franchised Anthony Spencer twice, but I can't remember if that was off his rookie deal.
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I think you can, but my point was that using the franchise on Smith prevents you from using it on anyone else. I was using those guys as an example. If Demarcus Lawrence does really well, then we might franchise him in 3 years and consider franchising him again the next year. That second franchise tag would be the same year that Smith is up for a new contract, and you couldn't use it on both of them (or anyone else with an expiring contract).
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Keep in mind that the first franchise makes them a top 5 paid player for their position (average of the top 5, so basically top 2-3), and then to tag them a 2nd time, you have to give them a 20% raise on top of that. Hard to manage that with the cap.
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I do like the Tapper pick though. It's the only pick I'm truly excited about, but I think that was a great pick.
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I'm hoping they have to use the franchise tag on Dak Prescott in 4 years instead of Smtih, because Dak has stepped in for Romo and is doing awesome.
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I'm hoping they have to use the franchise tag on Dak Prescott in 4 years instead of Smtih, because Dak has stepped in for Romo and is doing awesome.


Right! I'm not counting on him being much more than a bridge or backup type player, but you never know. Maybe he can turn into Dante Culpeper.
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Cowboys announcing today that Kellen Moore will be the backup heading into the season.
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Cowboys announcing today that Kellen Moore will be the backup heading into the season.
knowing the Jones family they are probably expecting Rod Marinelli to coach him up.
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Doesn't matter. Any QB can run Garrett's system.
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Smith doesn't seem like the type of guy that would hold a team hostage but you never know.

I was more impressed with Jack's film at linebacker anyway. I guess Smith has the ability to play the run, pass & rush the passer which is rare... they are hoping for a bigger Derrick Brooks or Lance Briggs I guess. Hope they are right.
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Hopefully he can hobble his Norm Hitzges drop foot down the field quickly enough to make tackles and cover people
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Anyone else excited about Ed Eagan? Dude is a straight baller. A very wes Welker type receiver. Runs a 4.32 and very shifty.
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Anyone else excited about Ed Eagan? Dude is a straight baller. A very wes Welker type receiver. Runs a 4.32 and very shifty.


Sounds like a character from a Poe story.
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Cowboys announcing today that Kellen Moore will be the backup heading into the season.


Cowboys also announced that they are crossing their fingers that Romo doesn't get hurt, but if he does they feel confident Moore will suck enough to get them a draft pick where they can get a real QB!
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Check out the play at the :10 mark. Who is that D-lineman that chases down Cooper!
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Anybody hear Jaylen Smith interviewed on 105.3? I had to get out of the car before it started.
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http://www.endzonescore.com/nfl-executive-believes-the-dallas-cowboys-are-super-bowl-bound/38447
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http://www.inquisitr.com/3067776/dallas-cowboys-rumors-jaylon-smith-could-return-for-nfl-playoffs/
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http://www.inquisitr.com/3067776/dallas-cowboys-rumors-jaylon-smith-could-return-for-nfl-playoffs/
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Zeke?
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Do we need to go with the "Anonymous NFL GM says Cowboys are Super Bowl caliber team" article?
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Was hoping he would let us in on who it was . I thought it was Byron Jones
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Was hoping he would let us in on who it was . I thought it was Byron Jones
Can only have one... if him he looks a little leaner than I thought in college... maybe lack of pads/lower back protection... Angle of picture probably isn't flattering either. Calves look scrong doe.

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They are projected to win the NFc east
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They are projected to win the NFc east
Exactly. Another exec, as stated above, has said this team can go to the big show easily.
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That's why I thought it may be Byron Jones # 31, but that's definitely a 2 and not a 3.
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Look at those calves
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Was hoping he would let us in on who it was . I thought it was Byron Jones


I thought since he didn't have a star on his helmet with ELLIOTT taped on the front that it was obvious.
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Was hoping he would let us in on who it was . I thought it was Byron Jones


I thought since he didn't have a star on his helmet with ELLIOTT taped on the front that it was obvious.


Meh. Minor details.
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They are projected to win the NFc east
Exactly. Another exec, as stated above, has said this team can go to the big show easily.


To be fair, this team has had that potential for quite awhile.

The 06' team had the dropped snap. Dallas would've been a brutal matchup for Chicago the next week.

The 07' team had Patrick Crayton's drops.

I mean, the Giants won Super Bowls with nine win teams, so it's easily possible.
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Just don't see this defense having the personnel to win a title.
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Just don't see this defense having the personnel to win a title.


Outscore. Control clock.

It's the opposite of what the Broncos did this year. It's been done before. Will be done again.

A lesser team was almost to NFC Championship in 14. Let's not lose sight of that. You've added Lael Collins. Ezekial Elliot. We have great RB depth. Butler may be the surprise of the season and like the idea of another big guy with speed. If Romo makes it through, anything could happen.

Read an article earlier that suggested we were doing something Teams are not geared for, being run heavy in a passing league. It's rough on defenses that have adjusted to current trends.
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Just don't see this defense having the personnel to win a title.

They can't go 4-12 to winning a title but this defense is better than the one that almost beat the Packers in the playoffs. Keep Romo healthy & make the playoffs... Keep getting better.
 
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