****Cowboys 2016 Offseason Thread***

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5:36p, 4/27/16
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Oh man... it's getting close now... everybody is leaking rumors trying to make a go of it! Next thing you know somebody's Mom will have heard something that is a stone cold fact. I love it!

What I will concede is Zeke to Dallas is looking less likely at #4. SD may find it hard to trade too... a lot of guys are ready to stand still and at least see what happens after SD & Dallas pick. I mean, right now we know QBs are going 1 & 2... I think most teams are willing to at least let a couple picks happen before they start trying to make a move.

If SD was smart the would take their guy and be happy with it. Tunsil & Buckner make a lot of sense. Dallas is gonna draft Ramsey..... or NOT!!! ;-)
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In reply to gigem1223 • 5:50p, 4/27/16
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Matt Moseley is hearing the Cowboys love Rankins and maybe a player they trade back into the first for.
Rankins is considered a top 15 guy by most entities and some even think he might be that one guy that goes off the boards shockingly early.

Seriously doubt Dallas parts with the ammo necessary to make that move up and I don't think they should either.

Moving up from #34 to #26-30 isn't going to take near as much ammo. In past years such a move has been done for a 4th rounder. But this draft is so damn deep....you could conceivably get a 2016 solid contributor high in the 4th round where Dallas picks.

If they are making that move up it better be for someone like Spence or Alexander (doubtful it would be for Alexander if Ramsey is the 1st rounder).
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5:51p, 4/27/16
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Jerrah should trade back until he has every seventh round pick. To own nothing but Cinderellas!
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In reply to TyHolden • 6:41p, 4/27/16
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Jerrah should trade back until he has every seventh round pick. To own nothing but Cinderellas!


Or do like that one year where he thought we were so loaded with talent that we should only draft guys that could help us on special teams.
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6:53p, 4/27/16
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Needs to be Zeke.
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In reply to TheCougarHunter • 7:18p, 4/27/16
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Needs to be Zeke.
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7:29p, 4/27/16
Zeke is the dumbest pick in the draft at #4. Sorry, drafting Lynch would be better..

I dont get how some of you dont understand that. He's not even close to AP, and he's not Todd Gurley either. He played agaisnt teams that put 6-7 in the box and it inflated his stats.
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In reply to RedlineAg08 • 8:00p, 4/27/16
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Zeke is the dumbest pick in the draft at #4. Sorry, drafting Lynch would be better..

I dont get how some of you dont understand that. He's not even close to AP, and he's not Todd Gurley either. He played agaisnt teams that put 6-7 in the box and it inflated his stats.


Are you an NFL scout? Or do you have a crystal ball? Because he's one of the highest rated players in the draft and someone who will be a difference maker on offense.
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In reply to RedlineAg08 • 8:09p, 4/27/16
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Zeke is the dumbest pick in the draft at #4. Sorry, drafting Lynch would be better..

I dont get how some of you dont understand that. He's not even close to AP, and he's not Todd Gurley either. He played agaisnt teams that put 6-7 in the box and it inflated his stats.


Many scouts disagree with you. He's one of the most complete backs to come out in awhile and would immediately make this
Offense better.
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8:26p, 4/27/16
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Rankins would be a better pick at 4 than Elliot.

Asset.

Allocation.
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8:49p, 4/27/16
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I just think it's funny how quick everybody is to dismiss RBs in today's game. They may not be as important, but they are still critical!

I'm personally worried about our RBs this year. Dunbar can't stay healthy, Morris got used up at Washington, and McFadden did what he's never done before (meaning he probably won't do it again).

And don't tell me Zeke is overrated! He's considered so far ahead of every other RB in the draft, including Mr Heisman. He is elite.

Doesn't mean we have to have him, but I do think we need somebody by round 3. Our RB by committee failed miserably last year... We got lucky McFadden was able to carry the load by himself with no injuries.
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10:00p, 4/27/16
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RBs are incredibly important.

Rarely do you need a top 5 or 10 pick to get a good one.
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10:05p, 4/27/16
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Zeke over rated and has artificial stats? I would like to hear Nick Sabans oppinion.

Besides, how often do we see 9 man boxes in the NFL?
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In reply to jr15aggie • 10:15p, 4/27/16
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I just think it's funny how quick everybody is to dismiss RBs in today's game. They may not be as important, but they are still critical!

I'm personally worried about our RBs this year. Dunbar can't stay healthy, Morris got used up at Washington, and McFadden did what he's never done before (meaning he probably won't do it again).

And don't tell me Zeke is overrated! He's considered so far ahead of every other RB in the draft, including Mr Heisman. He is elite.

Doesn't mean we have to have him, but I do think we need somebody by round 3. Our RB by committee failed miserably last year... We got lucky McFadden was able to carry the load by himself with no injuries.


I think that's more a result of few top end backs (although there is depth). Like many have said, in a good year for the position, Elliott is probably the second or third back taken.

You also have to account for the fact that Dallas successfully ran the football when everyone knew they couldn't pass. That's very difficult to do at this level. Very few great running games couldn't pass. Smith had Irvin, Sanders had Moore, Thomas had Reed/Beebe, etc.
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10:26p, 4/27/16
Also consider that McFadden was a much more highly sought after back out of college than Elliott. College success is no guarantee of NFL success. "Elite" in college mean little at the next level.
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In reply to BassCowboy33 • 10:59p, 4/27/16
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Also consider that McFadden was a much more highly sought after back out of college than Elliott. College success is no guarantee of NFL success. "Elite" in college mean little at the next level.
Well you can use this line of thinking to discount pretty much everybody in the draft
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In reply to Goldie Wilson • 11:01p, 4/27/16
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Also consider that McFadden was a much more highly sought after back out of college than Elliott. College success is no guarantee of NFL success. "Elite" in college mean little at the next level.
Well you can use this line of thinking to discount pretty much everybody in the draft


Precisely. We need to stop talking about guys like Elliott or Ramsey as if they are such certainties.
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In reply to corleoneAg99 • 11:04p, 4/27/16
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Rankins would be a better pick at 4 than Elliot.

Asset.

Allocation.


Asset allocation is how we ended up without an heir apparent to ANYONE.

Drafting for the way your roster is today will kill you. Draft the best player on the board.

Randy Moss, Aaron Rodgers, Todd Gurley, Aaron Donald, Russell Wilson, are just a few examples of players off the top of my head that shouldn't been drafted because of asset allocation.
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In reply to PooDoo • 11:10p, 4/27/16
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Rankins would be a better pick at 4 than Elliot.

Asset.

Allocation.


Asset allocation is how we ended up without an heir apparent to ANYONE.

Drafting for the way your roster is today will kill you. Draft the best player on the board.

Randy Moss, Aaron Rodgers, Todd Gurley, Aaron Donald, Russell Wilson, are just a few examples of players off the top of my head that shouldn't been drafted because of asset allocation.


Well, Dallas did need a Wide Receiver at the time, but passed on Moss due to off-the-field issues. Moss was one of those exceedingly rare offensive rookies who could just dominate a game. He was helped by having Cris Carter as well. Greg Ellis had a nice career, but passing on Moss still haunts this franchise.
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In reply to PooDoo • 12:45a, 4/28/16
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Rankins would be a better pick at 4 than Elliot.

Asset.

Allocation.


Asset allocation is how we ended up without an heir apparent to ANYONE.

Drafting for the way your roster is today will kill you. Draft the best player on the board.

Randy Moss, Aaron Rodgers, Todd Gurley, Aaron Donald, Russell Wilson, are just a few examples of players off the top of my head that shouldn't been drafted because of asset allocation.


Actually lack of understanding asset allocation is how the roster got to how it is today. Drafting a RB would only further that.
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4:24a, 4/28/16
Im not saying Elliott wont be good, but, as stated by many scouts, in a deep draft he's a late 1st or 2nd round pick. on top of the fact that dallas' oline created 1900? rushing yards with nobody at QB shows we could use the pick to fill in real positions of need on the defense. That doesnt mean that Elliott wouldnt improve the offense, but there are diminishing returns at some point from the position. He's not going to increase the production to 3000 yards, for example.

And that also doesnt mean bosa, ramsey, buckner, tunsil, or whever else is a sure thing. Theyre all gambles, but at least gove us the chance improve the defense with a good college talent. We desperately need help on the dline and in the secondary.
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In reply to corleoneAg99 • 7:16a, 4/28/16
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Rankins would be a better pick at 4 than Elliot.

Asset.

Allocation.


Asset allocation is how we ended up without an heir apparent to ANYONE.

Drafting for the way your roster is today will kill you. Draft the best player on the board.

Randy Moss, Aaron Rodgers, Todd Gurley, Aaron Donald, Russell Wilson, are just a few examples of players off the top of my head that shouldn't been drafted because of asset allocation.


Actually lack of understanding asset allocation is how the roster got to how it is today. Drafting a RB would only further that.

Letting asset allocation effect your draft means you're drafting for need.
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7:29a, 4/28/16
If Cowboys think Elliott will be an elite RB and is tip of their board, they should draft him. Simple as that.
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7:43a, 4/28/16
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The Cowboys have no long term assets allocated and no high draft picks used at that RB position. Meanwhile, there have been a lot of allocation to DL and Secondary.
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8:18a, 4/28/16
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"Asset Allocation"... are you guys my friggin accountant or are we talking football!!!???!!!

And I'm laughing at the "in a deep year Elliott would be a 2nd rounder". The experts say that all the time when they are looking for something negative to say about somebody. Some guys said the same thing about Gurley last year, that in a better year he probably would have fallen because of his injury concerns.

I'm not buying the Elliott comments one bit. tOSU has always had a good line and for years have run a similar offense with a threatening QB... none of their RBs in recent years have done anything close to what Elliott has done. That was all him. Don't try and blame his stats on anything other than him being awesome! Alabama RBs, on the other hand, always seem to dominate college and then flame out in the NFL... there is a pattern there and is why I am scared of Henry in the 2nd.


Don't get me wrong, I completely agree that if Ramsey is also as elite as some are saying he should be the pick if he's there. It's much harder to get a dominant DB than it is to get a RB that can excel with our current offense. I get it. But if Ramsey isn't there or our team doesn't rate him that high (but I think it's pretty obvious they do) let's not pretend Zeke isn't deserving of the pick.
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8:22a, 4/28/16
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Jerry's mind on the page.
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8:24a, 4/28/16
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For this team to continue to win with Romo they need a dominate running game.
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In reply to PooDoo • 8:24a, 4/28/16
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Rankins would be a better pick at 4 than Elliot.

Asset.

Allocation.


Asset allocation is how we ended up without an heir apparent to ANYONE.

Drafting for the way your roster is today will kill you. Draft the best player on the board.

Randy Moss, Aaron Rodgers, Todd Gurley, Aaron Donald, Russell Wilson, are just a few examples of players off the top of my head that shouldn't been drafted because of asset allocation.


Actually lack of understanding asset allocation is how the roster got to how it is today. Drafting a RB would only further that.

Letting asset allocation effect your draft means you're drafting for need.



No it doesn't. It means you're drafting for value.

This is what Jerry understood by drafting Zach Martin and failed to understand by drafting Mo Claiborne.

We'll see which Jerry shows up today. My guess is Elliot will be the pick because that's who Jerry wants to excite the fan base and help them get over his relative and consistent mismanagement of the on field product.
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In reply to PooDoo • 8:26a, 4/28/16
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For this team to continue to win with Romo they need a dominate running game.


And you have to have a top 10 pick at RB to have a good or dominant running game right?

Demarco Murray checking in on my behalf.
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8:28a, 4/28/16
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Sounds like Chargers are willing to move down, but not far. Cowboys are going to sit at #4 and hope Ramsay falls in their lap......They are going to take a QB, too, but not buying the trade up for Cook rumors. I'm guessing Dak in the 3rd or Brandon Allen in the 6th. The Allen kid is a three year starter for the Hogs from Fayetteville and his dad is the director of NFL relations for Arkansas. Gotta wonder if Jerrah has fallen in Pig-love.
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In reply to corleoneAg99 • 8:49a, 4/28/16
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For this team to continue to win with Romo they need a dominate running game.


And you have to have a top 10 pick at RB to have a good or dominant running game right?

Demarco Murray checking in on my behalf.

No you don't have to get a 1st round guy. But I've said it before that I'm worried about our running game. Dunbar gets hurt every year, Morris was used up at Washington, and history tells us McFadden will not be able to carry the load all season like he did last year. Our offense could become very inconsistent next year w/out a real running threat. And I'm pretty sure Christine Michael and Co. proved that you can't just put anybody behind our O-line and have instant success!

If we take a RB with one of our top 3 picks (which I think we need to do), we are automatically losing out on a potential starter at another position. In round 1 if Ramsey is there you probably don't go RB because Ramsey is too valuable to lose. But if he's not, I don't think it's a bad idea at all to get the one rookie that we know can run, catch & block for Romo... because in that scenario we lose out on somebody like Bosa and I'm OK with that given the quality of D-line guys that will be there in the 2nd.


It's draft day!!! I can only imagine what it's like in the war rooms around the country. We are all so passionate about our guys and who we think we should take... imagine a bunch of pro scouts, GMs, and coaches all trying to convince the room to get their guy! Awesome!
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8:52a, 4/28/16
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Which draft board or top 200 are you guys going use when you follow along with the draft the next few days?
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In reply to corleoneAg99 • 8:56a, 4/28/16
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For this team to continue to win with Romo they need a dominate running game.


And you have to have a top 10 pick at RB to have a good or dominant running game right?

Demarco Murray checking in on my behalf.

Do you have 2 years to wait for your 3rd round RB to become Demarco?

And I don't know why I'm still arguing with the guy that thinks Rankins should be the pick at 4.
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8:57a, 4/28/16
My fav for #4 is Ramsey. I think he and Jones will give the Cowboys a pretty dynamic defensive backfield.
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9:03a, 4/28/16
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Sounds like Chargers are willing to move down, but not far. Cowboys are going to sit at #4 and hope Ramsay falls in their lap......They are going to take a QB, too, but not buying the trade up for Cook rumors.

Sounds like the Cowboys are locked onto 2 players and are ready to take either one (at least one will be available after SD's pick). They are making it seem like they value getting an "elite" player at #4. That could very well be Ramsey and Zeke... but it could also very well be Ramsey & Tunsil. I can totally see them saying damn the torpedoes if Ramsey goes #3 and drafting Tunsil. And you couldn't fault them really... he's the #1 player in the draft on some boards.

As far as QB goes I think we abandon any notion of a high pick if it's not our 1st or 2nd. I'd much rather see if Brandon Allen falls into the 5th/6th round. We have too many needs with our 1st-4th picks to waste on somebody like Prescott. I think Allen has a real shot to at least be a good back-up QB.
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