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I think that was hands down one of the best pieces of content Marvel has put out so far. Absolutely fantastic.

The Ghosts of Christmas Past scenes to develop Wanda's backstory and Vision's relationship was just so well done. The emotion conveyed as well as explaining Wanda's motivation and trauma... so good.


And what a homerun of an outside-the-box hire with Kathryn Hahn. She's been awesome.

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Yup. I literally laughed out loud when Pietro the kid runs in yelling at his dad, and Agatha made the comment about him being loud. Her reaction to Pietro initially yelling, her comment about him being loud, and then her saying they were standing right there was great.

Kathryn Hahn is killing this role.

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Kathryn Hahn is killing this role.

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no.

just Sparky.

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Having lost both of my grandparents last year this line hit me hard

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Sex Panther said:

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I think that was hands down one of the best pieces of content Marvel has put out so far. Absolutely fantastic.

The Ghosts of Christmas Past scenes to develop Wanda's backstory and Vision's relationship was just so well done. The emotion conveyed as well as explaining Wanda's motivation and trauma... so good.


And what a homerun of an outside-the-box hire with Kathryn Hahn. She's been awesome.

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Yup. I literally laughed out loud when Pietro the kid runs in yelling at his dad, and Agatha made the comment about him being loud. Her reaction to Pietro initially yelling, her comment about him being loud, and then her saying they were standing right there was great.

Kathryn Hahn is killing this role.

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We talked about it a few pages ago, but Marvel's casting group is the best in the business. I'll always give them the benefit of the doubt

Jen Barkley is my favorite secondary Parks and Rec character hands down. I'm so glad more people are seeing Kathryn Hahn and hope we get more of her going forward.

I don't know how to explain it to make you agree it's meaningful. It either lands or it doesn't.

I just want to say again that I think it's awesome we get to have these weekly discussions due to the one episode a week schedule. Harkens back to the days of LOST and other network shows.

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Having lost both of my grandparents last year this line hit me hard

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I might be really dumb, or just really thick... but I don't get why so many people like this line...

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It will mean different things to different people, but to me, it takes a sad/negative emotion and paints it as a positive. To re-frame the worst emotion we can feel as the best emotion, it's not something I'd ever thought of.

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Having lost both of my grandparents last year this line hit me hard

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I might be really dumb, or just really thick... but I don't get why so many people like this line...

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People like this line because grief is typically seen as something "negative".

The person grieving the loss of a loved one is typically miserable
Being supportive to a grieving person becomes tiresome
There is really no end or timeline when it comes to grief

So.. when Vision defines grief as a form of love (that is fighting to stay alive), it allows those who have struggled with grief, or struggle with a grieving person, to see it as a positive.

my .02

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Can someone remind me the significance of Dottie?

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She's the towns HBIC

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Can someone remind me the significance of Dottie?

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I don't think she has any outside of the ladies social planning committee (single episode). I think she was a red herring used by the writers to distract from Agatha.

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Having lost both of my grandparents last year this line hit me hard

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I might be really dumb, or just really thick... but I don't get why so many people like this line...

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People like this line because grief is typically seen as something "negative".

The person grieving the loss of a loved one is typically miserable
Being supportive to a grieving person becomes tiresome
There is really no end or timeline when it comes to grief

So.. when Vision defines grief as a form of love (that is fighting to stay alive), it allows those who have struggled with grief, or struggle with a grieving person, to see it as a positive.

my .02

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I couldn't put it into words but well said.

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I wonder if Agatha will shlorp Wanda's powers away and create her own hex / dream world?

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If she were able to get Wanda's powers I'm going to assume world domination would be her goal. Although I don't think Wanda is listed as an Omega level mutant (not sure why), her powers are pretty unprecedented.

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So, we perceive Agatha as a "bad" only because she opposes the perceived "good" Wanda. Honestly, though, it could go either way based on what we have actually seen.

In the flashbacks she was about to get waxed by her own mother and other witches before figuring out she can turn it against them. Can't blame her for self defense.

Now she's attracted to this town because of all of the magic Wanda is using, and when she starts to investigate she realizes Wanda is the Scarlet Witch. It's obvious that the Scarlet Witch is part of some type of prophecy or lore mechanism, and, by the tone of her voice, the Scarlet Witch isn't typically thought of as Glenda the good witch. I can definitely see her being on the defensive about this mythic, chaos magic wielding witch.

We don't know what she did between these two events, so there is still some stuff to learn about her before making a judgement.

As noted before, Wanda has imprisoned an entire town because she misses her husband. We only think of her as the good guy because she fought with the Avengers. Now, she did this all out of grief/love, so there is a level of understanding, but she isn't completely righteous in all of this.

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I got to the end and remembered Agatha killed Sparky, and probably to experiment with necromancy. Which is worse.

***** gotta die.

It seems like the big bad for dr strange 2 would be a post credit scene at this point.

Counter-counter point...

It almost looked like Agatha was wiping away a tear behind Wanda's back after the Avenger HQ scene ended. If so, maybe she has some good in her?

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• It was weird when they were in the Sokovia apartment and the mom looks outside the window to see full-on warfare happening in the streets about 50 yards away and just brushes it off. On one hand, it happens in some parts of the world where this almost becomes normal and people are simply trying to maintain some sense of normalcy in their pocket of reality (in this case their apartment) and ignore the outside world. I also wonder if this was a bad plot device to make the pending bomb hitting their apartment have context? Why not both?

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I saw it as them trying to shield their kids from the warfare in their town, and give them a normal life through American TV.

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I think its likely she is trying to draw out the Scarlet Witch to drain her powers, like she did with the witches in the beginning. Especially because it seems certain that she isn't fully aware of all her capabilities and the fundamentals of her powers.

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if you are trying to harness nuclear power you dont take out the safety rods.

The best marvel films/tv have been where the villains are effective foils for the protagonists. Nothing about Agatha's actions make sense once she discovered the chaos magic in Wanda. She went from diabolical to bumbling fool in the span of 40secs.

Wanda went from "caught in a web" to "free and ready to confront Agatha" instantaneously and no one has a problem with this?

Think of it this way, the purpose of the room and the runes are merely a plot device to set up their "christmas carol" journey to wanda's history. But they created story tension by making Wanda powerless, then she just has it back. ...because Agatha needs to risk Wanda, who already exhibits power greater than her own, to become a god-tier character because that's when Agatha is most likely to succeed.


It doesn't make sense!

Fk it. Yall just keep eating whatever slop they throw in your trough.w

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Watch out, folk's we have marvel badass here.