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My fav for #4 is Ramsey. I think he and Jones will give the Cowboys a pretty dynamic defensive backfield.
quote:That's crap. For this team to win they need Romo. That's it. Without Romo this team continues to lose.
For this team to continue to win with Romo they need a dominate running game.
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3 out of top 5 in 2012 draft were busts...morris claiborne is one of them. and we traded up to get him. there is no sure thing in the draft...if you can trade back and get picks and maybe one of your top guys, always do it.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2012
quote:if you can trade #4 for somewhere in top 10 and additional picks and still get zeke, would that be worth more than top safety in the draft? maybe, maybe not. all i'm saying is additional picks increases your odds. manning and luck were sure things. aikman is debate-able. so you are saying ramsey is on the same "safe" level as manning and luck? no way i'd say that.quote:
3 out of top 5 in 2012 draft were busts...morris claiborne is one of them. and we traded up to get him. there is no sure thing in the draft...if you can trade back and get picks and maybe one of your top guys, always do it.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2012
Yeah, I'll never understand why teams drafted Manning, Aikman, Luck, etc. What we need is to draft as if every top rated player will be a bust and try and get more 2nd and 3rd round picks where the real talent is located. That way we never have to take any risks in life.
quote:quote:That's crap. For this team to win they need Romo. That's it. Without Romo this team continues to lose.
For this team to continue to win with Romo they need a dominate running game.
Elliott ain't doing anything to change that other than make them more diversified with Romo.
Gruden rode Cadillac so hard he died that first year. That dude was a phenomenal running back that took a beating in college and pros and his body failed. He had jets, he could juke, and he would lay the wood on as many people as he needed to. And he's also part of the reason teams stopped drafting running backs so early. A workhorse back just takes too much of a beating to survive long term in the NFL. AP being the exception.
quote:quote:if you can trade #4 for somewhere in top 10 and additional picks and still get zeke, would that be worth more than top safety in the draft? maybe, maybe not. all i'm saying is additional picks increases your odds. manning and luck were sure things. aikman is debate-able. so you are saying ramsey is on the same "safe" level as manning and luck? no way i'd say that.quote:
3 out of top 5 in 2012 draft were busts...morris claiborne is one of them. and we traded up to get him. there is no sure thing in the draft...if you can trade back and get picks and maybe one of your top guys, always do it.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2012
Yeah, I'll never understand why teams drafted Manning, Aikman, Luck, etc. What we need is to draft as if every top rated player will be a bust and try and get more 2nd and 3rd round picks where the real talent is located. That way we never have to take any risks in life.
quote:i see confrontation as collaborationquote:quote:if you can trade #4 for somewhere in top 10 and additional picks and still get zeke, would that be worth more than top safety in the draft? maybe, maybe not. all i'm saying is additional picks increases your odds. manning and luck were sure things. aikman is debate-able. so you are saying ramsey is on the same "safe" level as manning and luck? no way i'd say that.quote:
3 out of top 5 in 2012 draft were busts...morris claiborne is one of them. and we traded up to get him. there is no sure thing in the draft...if you can trade back and get picks and maybe one of your top guys, always do it.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2012
Yeah, I'll never understand why teams drafted Manning, Aikman, Luck, etc. What we need is to draft as if every top rated player will be a bust and try and get more 2nd and 3rd round picks where the real talent is located. That way we never have to take any risks in life.
I'm just giving you a hard time. It's all about the position in question.
quote:quote:That's crap. For this team to win they need Romo. That's it. Without Romo this team continues to lose.
For this team to continue to win with Romo they need a dominate running game.
Elliott ain't doing anything to change that other than make them more diversified with Romo.
Gruden rode Cadillac so hard he died that first year. That dude was a phenomenal running back that took a beating in college and pros and his body failed. He had jets, he could juke, and he would lay the wood on as many people as he needed to. And he's also part of the reason teams stopped drafting running backs so early. A workhorse back just takes too much of a beating to survive long term in the NFL. AP being the exception.
quote:I want the Chargers to take someone at #3 that leaves a player on the board at #4 that a bunch of teams covet and will make asinine trade offers to move up for. At this time on the surface the only real player at that spot who MIGHT get that kinda interest is Tunsil or if magically Wentz or Goff fall down (highly highly unlikely).
Hey guys... isn't it nice that at least now we all agree that Romo is the man and he is not the reason this team can't win it all, rather, he's the reason our team doesn't suck every year!
The Cowboys fan in me hopes Tunsil goes #3 so the Cowboys can get their #1 target at 4 (assumes Ramsey). The NFL Draft fan in me sorta hopes Ramsey goes #3 just to see what Dallas does! Ramsey goes #3 and I'm probably yelling out loud "oh snap!" and my eyes are gonna be wide open for the next few minutes waiting to see what Dallas does. It will be more exciting that way for sure!
quote:Some say Tunsil is that guy now that the QBs are going 1 & 2. Rated #1 on many boards and for a long while was presumed to be #1 to the Titans before the trade. I think a majority of the guys behind Dallas in the top 10 would strongly consider going up for Tunsil, so it's possible one of them will pull the trigger to get ahead of the pack.quote:I want the Chargers to take someone at #3 that leaves a player on the board at #4 that a bunch of teams covet and will make asinine trade offers to move up for. At this time on the surface the only real player at that spot who MIGHT get that kinda interest is Tunsil or if magically Wentz or Goff fall down (highly highly unlikely).
Hey guys... isn't it nice that at least now we all agree that Romo is the man and he is not the reason this team can't win it all, rather, he's the reason our team doesn't suck every year!
The Cowboys fan in me hopes Tunsil goes #3 so the Cowboys can get their #1 target at 4 (assumes Ramsey). The NFL Draft fan in me sorta hopes Ramsey goes #3 just to see what Dallas does! Ramsey goes #3 and I'm probably yelling out loud "oh snap!" and my eyes are gonna be wide open for the next few minutes waiting to see what Dallas does. It will be more exciting that way for sure!
quote:I used Mayock's just now cause it was easy to highlight, copy, and print in MS word... got 2 columns on 1 sheet of the "top 100". I keep a hard copy so I can mark off the names as they come off the board. This will be good enough to get through our 3rd rounder (after that I don't really care).
Which draft board or top 200 are you guys going use when you follow along with the draft the next few days?
quote:Some are suggesting Stanley will go to SD (which would kill the Dallas trade talk because they would take Ramsey). But I agree, I think there is little trade interest for #3 & #4 right now because the OT and D-line guys are so closely rated that teams would rather sit and see what happens before they consider making a move. Jerry even said as much in the presser (if he is to be believed)... nobody is calling seriously talking about getting #4 and Dallas values getting a top player at #4.
I doubt Tunsil will warrant a trade up with Stanley there... Unless someone jumps up from outside the top 10.
quote:With you 100%. Just look at Bobby Carpenter with his stacked Ohio State LB group or Morris Claiborne in that fantastic LSU secondary. The Cowboys have shown over and over that they can't tell the stars from the tag-alongs in elite position groups.
I see several mocks with Dodd (DE - Clemson) to us in the 2nd. Anybody else get nervous about DEs when there are 2 highly rated guys on the same team? Is Dodd overrated because Lawson drew all the attention from the O-line? Or are they both overrated as individuals because they helped take pressure off each other?
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I see several mocks with Dodd (DE - Clemson) to us in the 2nd. Anybody else get nervous about DEs when there are 2 highly rated guys on the same team? Is Dodd overrated because Lawson drew all the attention from the O-line? Or are they both overrated as individuals because they helped take pressure off each other?
I personally prefer to have that DE that was the main focus of the offense but still made their life hell!
quote:Would you rather take another TE in the 2nd!?!quote:
I see several mocks with Dodd (DE - Clemson) to us in the 2nd. Anybody else get nervous about DEs when there are 2 highly rated guys on the same team? Is Dodd overrated because Lawson drew all the attention from the O-line? Or are they both overrated as individuals because they helped take pressure off each other?
I personally prefer to have that DE that was the main focus of the offense but still made their life hell!
I get nervous taking a DE in the 2nd round for the third straight year.
quote:Dont think you draft a rb at #4 because he "stone blitzers"
Gruden just said he has Zeke as his number one overall player in this draft. He laughed that Kiper must've killed him when they drafted Cadillac Williams years ago. But they rode that kid to the playoffs and he has no regrets. All of the real football guys love Elliot because he can stone blitzers. He's perfect for Dallas.
That being said, its obvious the Cowboys love Ramsey. Most expect SD to take a tackle or trade down.
I guess I'd be okay with Ramsey this year and trade up to land Fornette or Myles next year
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To all thoset who think it's Ramsey, they drafted a cb first round last year so why would they do it again?
