I think at four if Goff or Bosa are there you have to take them. If not trade down and try to turn the 4th into a mid 1st and 2nd.
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If the Cowboys want to take the optimistic view on Romo then they should pick the best defensive players available in the 1st and 2nd round. We should be able to snag some great athletes with those picks. The defense wasn't that bad last year. Just need to add another playmaker on the line and in the secondary.
It is going to be a fascinating draft though. Most people (fairly) don't assume that Romo can stay on the field. I feel like Jerry will gamble with Romo being healthy and choose the best non-QB available. His rationale will be that if the Cowboys get in the playoff/Super Bowl mix next year then a first year QB will not help them. Whereas the FSU corner or the Alabama DT will make an immediate impact.
I can't say that rationale is incorrect but it is short term thinking. Still, if you tell me right now that Romo starts 16 games and the Cowboys add 2 top defensive rookies to their team then I'll put money down that they win the NFC East. They have way more talent on this squad than a 4 win team should.
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I think at four if Goff or Bosa are there you have to take them. If not trade down and try to turn the 4th into a mid 1st and 2nd.
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If the Cowboys want to take the optimistic view on Romo then they should pick the best defensive players available in the 1st and 2nd round. We should be able to snag some great athletes with those picks. The defense wasn't that bad last year. Just need to add another playmaker on the line and in the secondary.
It is going to be a fascinating draft though. Most people (fairly) don't assume that Romo can stay on the field. I feel like Jerry will gamble with Romo being healthy and choose the best non-QB available. His rationale will be that if the Cowboys get in the playoff/Super Bowl mix next year then a first year QB will not help them. Whereas the FSU corner or the Alabama DT will make an immediate impact.
I can't say that rationale is incorrect but it is short term thinking. Still, if you tell me right now that Romo starts 16 games and the Cowboys add 2 top defensive rookies to their team then I'll put money down that they win the NFC East. They have way more talent on this squad than a 4 win team should.
I cannot for the life of me understand the defensers. Go add up how many points they lost each game by. Hint: it was usually an offensive problem. Had the boys scored 4 more points per game they'd have made the playoffs. Stop looking at sacks and turnovers and look at what the defense actually did. Kept nearly every game winnable.
Opponents kept it very conservative all season because our offense was so inept. The defense had what? 6 or 7 turnovers the whole season? It was insanely low. This is not a very good defense. Its lacking in true play makers.
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If Bosa is available, DAL should not hesitate to take him. He is going to command double-teams on almost every play
quote:Sure, but not great running backs. This team needs a difference maker at the position. It takes pressure off of Romo and the defense.
You can kick a tree and a running back will fall out of it. What the Cowboys have on the roster right now is good enough and very affordable.
quote:They all had very good defenses, no doubt. But we're a loooong way from having a great defense. IMO, we're one stud RB away from having a great running game that can take pressure off of every other unit.
I don't really disagree but the four Conf. Semi finalists had average running games or by committee type systems. A first round pick on a RB has too much risk too little reward.
quote:Who are the talented QBs that are in the 3rd or 4th?
I agree with you that the defense was good enough to win. The offense was too, though. We lacked a QB to make it run, thats all. Backup QB is a hole that needs to be addressed but it cam be addressed by a few QBs that are talented in the 3rd/4th round and that doesnt hurt you to sit them a year or 2. Dallas is in win now mode, and i agree that they should be bc with Romo healthy they can beat anyone.
So where are the 1st team holes that could be plugged with a 1st and 2nd rd pick?
CB2 - Alexander/Ramsey (but our system doesnt value good cover corners)
Safety - Ramsey
Nose Tackle - A.Robinson (it's been said our system doesn't value the NT, as well, but A.Rob can push the pocket, command double teams, and is athletic enough to generate a pass rush where Nick Hayden just stands there).
I think T.Williams is a great #2 WR and drafting Treadwell would be a waste of talent bc there isnt enough balls to go around for a team that is trying to go run first. Thats my opinion on why we go defense.
And I like Bosa too. If I were drafting it'd be hard to pass on him if he's there.. If we keep Hardy, and D. Lawrence is good, Randy Gregory is going to develop and fight for playing time. We only draft him if Hardy is gone, I think.
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I agree with you that the defense was good enough to win. The offense was too, though. We lacked a QB to make it run, thats all. Backup QB is a hole that needs to be addressed but it cam be addressed by a few QBs that are talented in the 3rd/4th round and that doesnt hurt you to sit them a year or 2. Dallas is in win now mode, and i agree that they should be bc with Romo healthy they can beat anyone.
So where are the 1st team holes that could be plugged with a 1st and 2nd rd pick?
CB2 - Alexander/Ramsey (but our system doesnt value good cover corners)
Safety - Ramsey
Nose Tackle - A.Robinson (it's been said our system doesn't value the NT, as well, but A.Rob can push the pocket, command double teams, and is athletic enough to generate a pass rush where Nick Hayden just stands there).
I think T.Williams is a great #2 WR and drafting Treadwell would be a waste of talent bc there isnt enough balls to go around for a team that is trying to go run first. Thats my opinion on why we go defense.
And I like Bosa too. If I were drafting it'd be hard to pass on him if he's there.. If we keep Hardy, and D. Lawrence is good, Randy Gregory is going to develop and fight for playing time. We only draft him if Hardy is gone, I think.
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Ragland getting good pub too. Not sure how far he'll make it down the boards but if we can trade down 10 spots and still get him and an additional 2nd rounder then I'd be happy with that.
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You' re right . According to the chart trading down 4-6 spots only is worth the 2nd. So that would put em at 8-10 overall.
So if the right guy is there, trading down 10 spots could conceivably net em an additional 2nd and 3rd picks.
I'm liking the value in that 10-15 range. And I'm also liking the guys projected to be available in the high 3rd round. If they play it right they can come outa this with a great opening day impact player in round 1, and then also have 2 2nds, and 2 3rds in addition to a high 4th. That would go a huge ways to stacking this team.
Something like this would be pretty epic BPA:
1: LB
2: DT
2: CB or Safety
3: RB
3: WR
4: DL or LB or DB
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You' re right . According to the chart trading down 4-6 spots only is worth the 2nd. So that would put em at 8-10 overall.
So if the right guy is there, trading down 10 spots could conceivably net em an additional 2nd and 3rd picks.
I'm liking the value in that 10-15 range. And I'm also liking the guys projected to be available in the high 3rd round. If they play it right they can come outa this with a great opening day impact player in round 1, and then also have 2 2nds, and 2 3rds in addition to a high 4th. That would go a huge ways to stacking this team.
Something like this would be pretty epic BPA:
1: LB
2: DT
2: CB or Safety
3: RB
3: WR
4: DL or LB or DB
The issue then becomes finding a team that's willing to make that move. It's not as simple as saying, "I want to move down. Let's do it." Somebody has to want to move up, be willing to part with draft picks, and be in a spot where you think that you could get a player that you are targeting.
quote:Yep, that's our best bet. Teams only trade the farm for QBs they love (unless you're Mike Ditka).quote:quote:
You' re right . According to the chart trading down 4-6 spots only is worth the 2nd. So that would put em at 8-10 overall.
So if the right guy is there, trading down 10 spots could conceivably net em an additional 2nd and 3rd picks.
I'm liking the value in that 10-15 range. And I'm also liking the guys projected to be available in the high 3rd round. If they play it right they can come outa this with a great opening day impact player in round 1, and then also have 2 2nds, and 2 3rds in addition to a high 4th. That would go a huge ways to stacking this team.
Something like this would be pretty epic BPA:
1: LB
2: DT
2: CB or Safety
3: RB
3: WR
4: DL or LB or DB
The issue then becomes finding a team that's willing to make that move. It's not as simple as saying, "I want to move down. Let's do it." Somebody has to want to move up, be willing to part with draft picks, and be in a spot where you think that you could get a player that you are targeting.
Of course.
Hopefully this is where hopefully a guy like Wentz blows some teams away and they move up to get him.
Odds are still in favor of either sticking at #4 or a smaller less dramatic trade down.
quote:The issue here is two-fold:quote:Yep, that's our best bet. Teams only trade the farm for QBs they love (unless you're Mike Ditka).quote:quote:
You' re right . According to the chart trading down 4-6 spots only is worth the 2nd. So that would put em at 8-10 overall.
So if the right guy is there, trading down 10 spots could conceivably net em an additional 2nd and 3rd picks.
I'm liking the value in that 10-15 range. And I'm also liking the guys projected to be available in the high 3rd round. If they play it right they can come outa this with a great opening day impact player in round 1, and then also have 2 2nds, and 2 3rds in addition to a high 4th. That would go a huge ways to stacking this team.
Something like this would be pretty epic BPA:
1: LB
2: DT
2: CB or Safety
3: RB
3: WR
4: DL or LB or DB
The issue then becomes finding a team that's willing to make that move. It's not as simple as saying, "I want to move down. Let's do it." Somebody has to want to move up, be willing to part with draft picks, and be in a spot where you think that you could get a player that you are targeting.
Of course.
Hopefully this is where hopefully a guy like Wentz blows some teams away and they move up to get him.
Odds are still in favor of either sticking at #4 or a smaller less dramatic trade down.
quote:to be clear I do like Jack more than Ragland.
I like Ragland too but does he have the range? I think he might just be a two down LB whereas someone like Jack is more of a three down guy a la Shaq Thompson.
If they don't get a QB at 4, which they just don't seem like they're going to, I think you need to get a pass rusher or take the DB from FSU who be a hybrid CB/S.
And if the QB's really show out maybe they field some attractive calls for a trade down to somewhere else in top 10-15 and pick up another 2nd, etc.
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The only team drafting a QB for sure in front of us is Cleveland at 2. I don't think there is any way the Chargers go QB at 3.
Who is going to draft Wentz?
I'd bet big money that all the QB's minus Goff will be there for us at 4. And that's when we'll be able to move down with a team that wants Wentz.
That being said... I don't like the way Wentz throws. I don't like his injury history. He's a bottom half of the 1st round reach IMO.