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Those were your final four guys and weren't three of them 1-1's?

Yes its true that Brady and Romo are rare finds, and so is Russ to an extent, but those are the exception not the rule. The large majority of quality guys are high draft picks. The fact that teams whiff more often than not shouldn't be used as an argument to just look mid round...the point is the good teams are generally getting a high pick guy and making something out of him.

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And I really get worn out on the 'draft a guy in the 3rd or 4th' to develop. Good grief that is just wasting a pick.

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Well you're going to stay worn out then. It's likely you waste a 1st round pick on them too.. Drafting and missing on a 1st round QB is a death sentence. We're not in the position to risk that kind of fate.

Off the top of my head, teams that were loaded at most other positions, and plugged a QB in and had success success:

49ers with Kaepernick
Seahawks with Russell
Green Bay with Favre
Ravens with Dilfer
Rams with Warner & Bulger
Tampa Bay with Johnson

I'm tired of thinking but I'm sure the list goes on...

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1. Favre was a 2nd Round Pick and would have been a first if not for worries about his being an alcoholic.

2.It's become clear that Kaepernick is beyond awful to the point where he was benched for Blaine Gabbert. His success was either flash-in-the-pan or should be credited to Harbaugh getting the most out of a gy who can't seem to hit the broadside of a barn.

3. Dilfer...did you ever see this guy play? He played a grand total of one season in Baltimore and won a Super Bowl on the back of the greatest defense in NFL history.Over the course of his career, he threw 0.5 more INTs per game than he did touchdowns. He even had a 4 touchdown, 18 interception season.

4. Warner was never supposed to see the field. He wasn't there to be a "developed guy". He was there to back up Trent Green.

5. Bulger had a decent career, but never managed more than a 24 TD season. Plus, he finished his career with a 41-54 record (all with the Rams).His career rating is a decent 84.4.

6. Johnson lost his starting job to 41 year old Randall Cunningham (who had been installing tile in Las Vegas before getting a call from the Vikings). Cunningham would go on to win MVP. He had two seasons where his rating was above 90.0. He won a Super Bowl on the back of that vicious defense led by Sapp and Brooks in 2002. He was basically a glorified game manager. For a 9th Round pick, he was obviously successful, but the kind of guy you want to build a team around.

7. Russell Wilson is very good.

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Exactly.. Kaepernick sucks, Dilfer sucked, Bulger wasn't all taht great, Johnson wasn't great either... They played alongside great talent and managed the game and won alot.

The others are great guys, but they also joined GREAT teams and GREAT coaching staffs that led to their success.

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Those were your final four guys and weren't three of them 1-1's?

Yes its true that Brady and Romo are rare finds, and so is Russ to an extent, but those are the exception not the rule. The large majority of quality guys are high draft picks. The fact that teams whiff more often than not shouldn't be used as an argument to just look mid round...the point is the good teams are generally getting a high pick guy and making something out of him.

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I agree with you on that. But the Cowboys aren't winning anything without Romo because the team has holes on defense that won't be overcome with a good rookie QB if Romo falls.

Let's first agree that with Romo, this team has a shot at the Super Bowl. You agree with that?

Without him, you're rebuilding because there are about 5 guys in the league that can win with the Cowboys roster as is. So, use the high draft picks to rebuild the team from the inside out, pick up a mid round guy because you need a backup QB. If he sucks, you're not really out much. If he develops well, then you're set. (This is the year to draft a mid-round QB. There are tons of decent ones.)
If Romo goes down this year, or next, you're team is going to fail on the back of the mid-round QB and you'll get a top flight QB in that draft with a much better foundation for him to succeed. Or he'll prove to be a stud, and you just got a cheap QB and the added talent at other positions.

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My preference is Shaq Lawson, A'Shawn Robinson, Nkemdiche, or Bosa.. I think Bosa at his worst is still going to help our defense. We really need to get rid of Nick Hayden though...

One of those picks could help Dallas win the Super Bowl next year, and would continue to help anchor the defense for years to come.

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Those were your final four guys and weren't three of them 1-1's?

Yes its true that Brady and Romo are rare finds, and so is Russ to an extent, but those are the exception not the rule. The large majority of quality guys are high draft picks. The fact that teams whiff more often than not shouldn't be used as an argument to just look mid round...the point is the good teams are generally getting a high pick guy and making something out of him.

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I agree with you on that. But the Cowboys aren't winning anything without Romo because the team has holes on defense that won't be overcome with a good rookie QB if Romo falls.

Let's first agree that with Romo, this team has a shot at the Super Bowl. You agree with that?

Without him, you're rebuilding because there are about 5 guys in the league that can win with the Cowboys roster as is. So, use the high draft picks to rebuild the team from the inside out, pick up a mid round guy because you need a backup QB. If he sucks, you're not really out much. If he develops well, then you're set. (This is the year to draft a mid-round QB. There are tons of decent ones.)
If Romo goes down this year, or next, you're team is going to fail on the back of the mid-round QB and you'll get a top flight QB in that draft with a much better foundation for him to succeed. Or he'll prove to be a stud, and you just got a cheap QB and the added talent at other positions.

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You, sir, are Jerry's current inner dialogue IMO. And that's totally cool and certainly a viable point of view.

I'd only correct one thing you said.

The Cowboys have a shot at the SB with a healthy Tony Romo. The degree to which you think it's possible he stays healthy long enough to get them there is obviously a different opinion for each one of us.

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My preference is Shaq Lawson, A'Shawn Robinson, Nkemdiche, or Bosa.. I think Bosa at his worst is still going to help our defense. We really need to get rid of Nick Hayden though...

One of those picks could help Dallas win the Super Bowl next year, and would continue to help anchor the defense for years to come.

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You want a reach? Draft any of those first three and prepare to absolutely excoriated by any NFL expert. Many don't have Nkemdiche going until late first - early 2nd, Robinson in the mid-late first round, and Lawson as a mid first round pick.

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He might be but I think at least part of the problem with any backup to Romo is Garrett and Linehan pull the reigns WAY back. One read and if it's not perfectly wide open check down to the back or throw away/sack.

What Goff is capable of is easy something you wouldn't get to see.

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He might be but I think at least part of the problem with any backup to Romo is Garrett and Linehan pull the reigns WAY back. One read and if it's not perfectly wide open check down to the back or throw away/sack.

What Goff is capable of is easy something you wouldn't get to see.

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John Kitna did pretty well in the system. Kellen Moore threw for 435 in Week 17. If Goff is good, he'll thrive.

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All the more reason to go DLine.

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I thought pot is not addictive?

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Having to spend a high pick 2 years in a row to fill one DE position would be very Jerry though.

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All the more reason to go DLine.

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D line has extreme depth in the draft, especially on the interior. It'd be a terrible waste to draft one at #4 unless Bosa falls.

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All the more reason to go DLine.

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D line has extreme depth in the draft, especially on the interior. It'd be a terrible waste to draft one at #4 unless Bosa falls.

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Spending a high pick on a DL is not a waste, even in deep drafts. DL is enough of a premium position that a "deep" draft just means unusually high number of first round picks get used in DL, not that you get first round caliber DL in the second.

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DT is very deep but we know what Marinelli thinks of 1 techs and TCraw is locked up.

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They stole a 1st round guy in the 2nd round. It was a risk worth taking.. You're not Matt Millen for drafting a DLineman in the 1st round for the first time since Marcus Spears.

Am I right, its been since Marcus Spears??

If we used your line of thinking no interior dlinemen would be drafted until the 7th round...

We have dramatically different views of how to build a team and I think we're never going to agree on anything..

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Dallas did not have a top 10 run defense. Not even close. They were 22nd in yards allowed per game, 19th in yards/carry allowed, and allowed the 2nd most rushing first downs in the league.

Inability to stop the run was a big reason why they had so much trouble with impact plays. They had the 2nd fewest pass attempts against in the league (7th most rushing attempts against). Hard to get sacks and INTs when teams aren't throwing the ball.

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