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Letter to the Leadership of Texas A&M regarding the Bevel

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ElephantRider
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You just got called out by a child. How does that feel?
WaffleHouseAg
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You are a ****ing idiot
pinche gringo
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actually, people dont even notice the bevel because it doesnt matter to (what I consider) a rational person. Theyre just buying A&M stuff. The bevel is not a bonus or a deterrent.


FIFY

Just because someone doesn't agree with you does not make them irrational. You may have an exceptionally high opinion of yourself, but your word is not the standard by which all things logical/illogical or rational/irrational are measured.
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Theyre just buying A&M stuff. The bevel is not a bonus or a deterrent.


Totally agree with you here. The majority are buying A&M stuff because it's A&M stuff.

However it IS a deterrent to me and quite a few other Ags I know, and that's all I'm saying.

[This message has been edited by pinche gringo (edited 6/15/2013 12:52p).]
ElephantRider
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So you're going to sit there and tell me that Old Main is a rational human being?
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youre absolutely right, my opinion has nothing to do with it. Rationality has a meaning. I am using the word rational by its definition. Its not a subjective value and does not depend on the person viewing it. A=A.

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Anybody interested in joining a marketing firm I plan on starting?
pinche gringo
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ER, I'm not about to get sucked into that discussion.

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Oh man, I'm glad this constructive conversation is still going on.
ElephantRider
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Anybody interested in joining a marketing firm I plan on starting?

Can I bevel everything?
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actually, people dont even notice the bevel because it doesnt matter to a rational person. Theyre just buying A&M stuff. The bevel is not a bonus or a deterrent.



It seems the absolute ONLY way bevel huggers can argue their position is with personal insults directed at traditional logo lovers. Lots, and I would estimate, "most" Aggies do not like the bevel. Notice those that do not like the bevel do not make personal insults at the bevel lovers but instead direct their angst at the bevel itself.

Recapping...bevel lovers use personal insults. Traditional logo lovers do not. Based on this evidence, I can see no other conclusion but that traditional logo lovers are more rational than bevel lovers.

You are a ****ing idiot


This just proves my point. Also, it bumps the thread back up to the top.

In life, when you are on the losing side in debate, and you cannot defend your position because you are on the wrong side, it seems some always resort to personal insults of the opponent rather than logically debating against the opponent's position.
12th Ag
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So you're going to sit there and tell me that Old Main is a rational human being?


Yes, I am.
12th Ag
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Theyre just buying A&M stuff. The bevel is not a bonus or a deterrent.


Totally agree with you here. The majority are buying A&M stuff because it's A&M stuff.

However it IS a deterrent to me and quite a few other Ags I know, and that's all I'm saying.

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I buy A&M stuff in spite of the bevel and not because of it. I would buy a lot MORE A&M stuff if not for the bevel. Certain things, like baseball caps, I refuse to buy with a bevel on them because they are embarrassing and cheap looking.
12th Ag
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I wonder why the sales of the non-beveled football helmet have risen at a much faster rate than all the beveled merchandise?
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I wonder why the sales of the non-beveled football helmet have risen at a much faster rate than all the beveled merchandise?

Apples and oranges
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You are sitting here telling me that more people hate it than either don't care or like it. That is idiotic and shows that you obviously do not know too many other Ags
JJxvi
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I think I'll call it "Appealing Simpleton Symbols"
pinche gringo
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"Appaling Simpleton Symbols"


FIFY
Personal Best
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In life, when you are on the losing side in debate, and you cannot defend your position

Woah, you are winning? The bevel is gone? Congratulations.
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People are buying stuff in spite of the bevel, not because of it.


actually, people dont even notice the bevel because it doesnt matter to a rational person. Theyre just buying A&M stuff. The bevel is not a bonus or a deterrent.
Bed Sores
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The fact that you're embarrassed over something like this is embarrassing

I just wore beveled gear up and down the sea wall here in Galveston
Old Main
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Geometry is math. Two plus two is always going to equal four. It is embarrassing for a world-class university with programs in architecture, engineering, computer visualization, and construction science to have a logo that fails basic geometry. These programs, as well as others, require core knowledge in geometry and 3D rendering. It is embarrassing for Texas A&M's primary mark to fail basic geometry.

As I stated in the letter there are many other reasons to get rid of the Bevel, but as long as 2+2=4 this is the only argument you need to LEVEL the BEVEL.

Here is the page detailing the fundamental flaws in the Bevel, including geometry and 3D rendering...







[This message has been edited by Old Main (edited 6/15/2013 7:40p).]
Hill Country Ag
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Please make the ugly bevel go away. Adds nothing. Takes away a lot.

Gig 'Em
Localhero88
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Bevel the a and m too
Personal Best
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Old main, I bet if the goal was to make a geometrically, mathematically correct logo, A&M could have figured it out.

Maybe it's time to start considering that that isn't the primary goal of a logo. Come to terms with that buddy.
AGinHI
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Here. Take 'em already and let this thread die.



[This message has been edited by AGinHI (edited 6/15/2013 7:53p).]
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Vote it down!
STX Ag
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Bevel everything as far as this ag is concerned. Bevel the logo, bevel reveille, bevel ol sarge, bevel texas ave, bevel JFF.
Old Main
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As I stated failed geometry is just ONE OF MANY reasons to get rid of the Bevel. If you are trying to bevel or create a 3D effect the geometry should be correct. Otherwise don't attempt it. I have no doubt that A&M could create a geometrically correct 3D logo, but that isn't the issue. I'm confident that when they teach Intro to Graphics Design 101 getting the geometry correct isn't optional - it is a basic requirement for a passing grade.

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Old main, I bet if the goal was to make a geometrically, mathematically correct logo, A&M could have figured it out.

Maybe it's time to start considering that that isn't the primary goal of a logo. Come to terms with that buddy.


What is the primary goal of the beveled logo? This is a great question. No one has figured this one out yet.









[This message has been edited by Old Main (edited 6/15/2013 8:35p).]
8T2
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I wonder how Old Main is able to crap through that incredibly tight sphincter of his?

Or, maybe he doesn't, which would explain why he is so full of caca.
Old Main
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Localhero88,

They tried that in the beginning and decided that it looked like crap so they just kept the bevel on the T.
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Bevel the a and m too








[This message has been edited by Old Main (edited 6/15/2013 8:07p).]
Localhero88
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Looks good
pinche gringo
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Still posting, huh?
STX Ag
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Damn. That beveled A&M looks badass. Thanks for posting Old Marm! I support beveled A&M.
JJxvi
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The bevel was introduced back when the A and M were smaller. That is a newer logo that has been created since the A and M were resized and centered under the arms of the T as seen in the current logo.

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I'm confident that when they teach Intro to Graphics Design 101 getting the geometry correct isn't optional - it is a basic requirement for a passing grade.


Yeah you seem really familiar with art and design.
 
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