and it was indicative of a country in a break up that resulted in Civil War four years later.
McCarthy getting speaker?
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Fox News is pushing Kevin McCarthy so hard today.
— Brigitte Gabriel (@ACTBrigitte) January 4, 2023
Why?
Parties exist because they work (at winning elections)
What is actually needed is a party within the party (and a primary prior to the primary).
Liberty-minded candidates have some sort of online primary prior to the primary. They select their candidates for each seat, and then they alone run against the establishment candidates in the primary.
What is actually needed is a party within the party (and a primary prior to the primary).
Liberty-minded candidates have some sort of online primary prior to the primary. They select their candidates for each seat, and then they alone run against the establishment candidates in the primary.
BREAKING: Kevin McCarthy is now working with Democrats to make sure he keeps power!!!@mattgaetz was right, he IS the biggest alligator in the swamp...
— Graham Allen (@GrahamAllen_1) January 4, 2023
I was supporting what you said.fka ftc said:That is what I said. Now, I wish Fox was a bit more adamant about a non-McCarthy solution.eric76 said:Well said.fka ftc said:
Been watching all day and yesterday. This is a poor take.
Like many classic Rs, they value decorum and tradition over change and principles. But they are not throwing a "hissyfit".
Holding onto our traditional values and keeping what works is preferred. If change is necessary, it should be done slowly and deliberately. Making massive changes quickly is a radical approach.
Kilmeade is breaking it down well noting at least we are seeing the sausage being made.
With D's they make tubes of **** in the Schiff SCIF then try and sell it to the public as Grade A Consolidated Sausage that you must bite into to know whats in it.
Conservatism is, at heart, a view of life and its institutions -- it is about maintaining our traditions and values.
Radicals, on the other hand, want to make dramatic changes in their conviction that they can make things better, but major changes are much harder to control and greatly increase the likelihood of there being unanticipated consequences.
AOC seems to agree that the speakership holds too much power.... according to Gosar.J. Walter Weatherman said:TheEternalPessimist said:It would force coalition government. Something we may need for accountability.eric76 said:Exactly.gbaby23 said:
Hopefully this shows the American people how much power a 3rd party could have. It isn't much, but it is better than voting for a uniparty stooge because they have (R) next to their name.
If done intelligently, such a third party could have much more power than their size would indicate.
If someone is on the hard left, they should welcome this too. It makes a Socialist Party more viable to actually win seats without slapping a (D) on their name in urban cores and perhaps Vermont..
Really we should have 4 parties at this point. The freedom caucus/far right republicans, moderate/establishment republicans, establishment dems like most of the democrats in the senate and house, and the far left/quasi socialist dems like AOC, Talib etc. Would require a lot more negotiation and actually governing than what we have now.
See - common ground can be found in spite of the uniparty.
Great point. Very astute observation.BQ78 said:
and it was indicative of a country in a break up that resulted in Civil War four years later.
Radical change is very difficult to control.TheEternalPessimist said:I want RADICAL change --- which is the NULLIFICATION of federal law at the local and state level. Incrementalism got us into this mess.eric76 said:Well said.fka ftc said:Been watching all day and yesterday. This is a poor take.Daddy-O5 said:Paul Ryan's Fox News Channel pitches a massive hissy fit over McCarthy vote. They're angry because conservatives are no longer following their orders.
— toddstarnes (@toddstarnes) January 4, 2023
Like many classic Rs, they value decorum and tradition over change and principles. But they are not throwing a "hissyfit".
Holding onto our traditional values and keeping what works is preferred. If change is necessary, it should be done slowly and deliberately. Making massive changes quickly is a radical approach.
This country is too fat and lazy for a civil war.
Well that should keep the Biden agenda alive like they had stolen, not only the senate, but the house too.
This is basically what we do now. Every member is allowed to vote their conscience.10thYrSr said:lb3 said:This is exactly why we don't need a third party. The various caucuses are effectively third parties. Right now the Freedom Party are the last holdouts the Establishment Party needs to form their right of center coalition government.gbaby23 said:
Hopefully this shows the American people how much power a 3rd party could have. It isn't much, but it is better than voting for a uniparty stooge because they have (R) next to their name.
The Establishment Party is welcome to reach out to the Moderate Democrat Party to form a centerist coalition government if the Moderate Democrat Parties' demands are more palatable than the Freedom Party's.
Under that model why have parties at all then? People could just vote for politicians and then the politicians could caucus as they please.
The dual parties are basically Big Tents or caucuses of caucuses.
It looks like that was from 12:30.Daddy-O5 said:BREAKING: Kevin McCarthy is now working with Democrats to make sure he keeps power!!!@mattgaetz was right, he IS the biggest alligator in the swamp...
— Graham Allen (@GrahamAllen_1) January 4, 2023
Has anybody asked McCarthy about this accusation? Has he denied it?
How many do you figure would have to actively participate? If the fat a lazy sit it out, can the fit and motivated not still do things? I mean, a lot of men participated in the civil war, but not everybody did.45-70Ag said:
This country is too fat and lazy for a civil war.
"right of center" is not an accurate description... the GOP McCarthy types have been Democrat-Lites.lb3 said:This is exactly why we don't need a third party. The various caucuses are effectively third parties. Right now the Freedom Party are the last holdouts the Establishment Party needs to form their right of center coalition government.gbaby23 said:
Hopefully this shows the American people how much power a 3rd party could have. It isn't much, but it is better than voting for a uniparty stooge because they have (R) next to their name.
The Establishment Party is welcome to reach out to the Moderate Democrat Party to form a centerist coalition government if the Moderate Democrat Parties' demands are more palatable than the Freedom Party's.
The political and economic components needed for it aren't there.
Neither is the military component.
Neither is the military component.
Why do people think that fat guys or even guys in wheelchairs can't use a gun? I have never understood this.....WHOOP!'91 said:How many do you figure would have to actively participate? If the fat a lazy sit it out, can the fit and motivated not still do things? I mean, a lot of men participated in the civil war, but not everybody did.45-70Ag said:
This country is too fat and lazy for a civil war.
A fit person with no tactical understanding and no proficiency with firearms loses to a guy 50 pounds overweight who understands both........ every time.
How would you compare those aspects in the US to, say, the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan? I am pretty sure there are quite a few ex-military and/or law enforcement that have a lot of guns and ammo stashed away that are pretty upset with the way things are going.45-70Ag said:
The political and economic components needed for it aren't there.
Neither is the military component.
Throw in a couple of Toyota Tacomas and there could be problems.
I took him to mean metaphorically fat, like has too much to lose to run off to fight a war.TheEternalPessimist said:Why do people think that fat guys or even guys in wheelchairs can't use a gun? I have never understood this.....WHOOP!'91 said:How many do you figure would have to actively participate? If the fat a lazy sit it out, can the fit and motivated not still do things? I mean, a lot of men participated in the civil war, but not everybody did.45-70Ag said:
This country is too fat and lazy for a civil war.
A fit person with no tactical understanding and no proficiency with firearms loses to a guy 50 pounds overweight who understands both........ every time.
What? You want them to be partisan? They shouldn't be for anyone.Daddy-O5 said:Fox News is pushing Kevin McCarthy so hard today.
— Brigitte Gabriel (@ACTBrigitte) January 4, 2023
Why?
Participation rater of revolutionary war was about 20% until the final years of the war when it reached close to 40% of fighting aged men. This does not even factor in the number of loyalists fighting for the Crown... which among their number included the son of Ben Franklin!WHOOP!'91 said:How many do you figure would have to actively participate? If the fat a lazy sit it out, can the fit and motivated not still do things? I mean, a lot of men participated in the civil war, but not everybody did.45-70Ag said:
This country is too fat and lazy for a civil war.
Quote:
right of center" is not an accurate description... the GOP McCarthy types have been Democrat-Lites.
Wouldn't that include Trump? He and McCarthy are lined up on probably every issue, aren't they?
Is there anyone we can turn to?
I'm Gipper
Maybe so. His comments defending abortion as legitimate solution for rape and incest conceived babies were VERY concerning.Im Gipper said:Quote:
right of center" is not an accurate description... the GOP McCarthy types have been Democrat-Lites.
Wouldn't that include Trump? He and McCarthy are lined up on probably every issue, aren't they?
My apologies.WHOOP!'91 said:I took him to mean metaphorically fat, like has too much to lose to run off to fight a war.TheEternalPessimist said:Why do people think that fat guys or even guys in wheelchairs can't use a gun? I have never understood this.....WHOOP!'91 said:How many do you figure would have to actively participate? If the fat a lazy sit it out, can the fit and motivated not still do things? I mean, a lot of men participated in the civil war, but not everybody did.45-70Ag said:
This country is too fat and lazy for a civil war.
A fit person with no tactical understanding and no proficiency with firearms loses to a guy 50 pounds overweight who understands both........ every time.
My point remains however.... the assumption that physical fitness in the age of firearms is required in every war situation is laughable. I have seen a LOT Of fat Ukranians and Russians in military gear fighting.
Well, that was his position when he ran in 2016, so it should not be a surprise!
I'm Gipper
I'm Gipper
The first step is to call their name repeatedly.aTmAg said:
If somebody doesn't answer what happens? Do they simply count that as not present and reduce the required vote?
Still no speaker
Fair point. But if you have radical change rooted in objective truth and carried out by men who are in submission to Christ and the Word of God.... it doesn't need much constraint. Godly men constrain themselves.eric76 said:Radical change is very difficult to control.TheEternalPessimist said:I want RADICAL change --- which is the NULLIFICATION of federal law at the local and state level. Incrementalism got us into this mess.eric76 said:Well said.fka ftc said:Been watching all day and yesterday. This is a poor take.Daddy-O5 said:Paul Ryan's Fox News Channel pitches a massive hissy fit over McCarthy vote. They're angry because conservatives are no longer following their orders.
— toddstarnes (@toddstarnes) January 4, 2023
Like many classic Rs, they value decorum and tradition over change and principles. But they are not throwing a "hissyfit".
Holding onto our traditional values and keeping what works is preferred. If change is necessary, it should be done slowly and deliberately. Making massive changes quickly is a radical approach.
Was there a 6th vote?
What were the results?
What were the results?
Charpie said:
Y'all realize this is why democrats win, right?
Because they manage to put their egos aside and stick together to get what they want done.
The dems are sitting here laughing at the 19.
If the 19 were really speaking for the rest of the country, they would be the majority. Alas, they aren't.
They may not be speaking for the rest of the country but they are speaking for those who hate to see this country destroy itself.
same as the fifth.
McCarthy 201
Jeffries 212
Donalds 20
Other 0
Present 1
McCarthy 201
Jeffries 212
Donalds 20
Other 0
Present 1
TheEternalPessimist said:My apologies.WHOOP!'91 said:I took him to mean metaphorically fat, like has too much to lose to run off to fight a war.TheEternalPessimist said:Why do people think that fat guys or even guys in wheelchairs can't use a gun? I have never understood this.....WHOOP!'91 said:How many do you figure would have to actively participate? If the fat a lazy sit it out, can the fit and motivated not still do things? I mean, a lot of men participated in the civil war, but not everybody did.45-70Ag said:
This country is too fat and lazy for a civil war.
A fit person with no tactical understanding and no proficiency with firearms loses to a guy 50 pounds overweight who understands both........ every time.
My point remains however.... the assumption that physical fitness in the age of firearms is required in every war situation is laughable. I have seen a LOT Of fat Ukranians and Russians in military gear fighting.
Step Aside McCarthy. It's not going to happen. Free everybody to vote for who they really want.
From https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/live-blog/kevin-mccarthy-house-speaker-vote-live-updates-day-two-rcna64153 there was a sixth vote, but it doesn't say anything about the vote count, only that there is still no Speaker.aTmAg said:
Was there a 6th vote?
What were the results?
WHOOP!'91 said:How would you compare those aspects in the US to, say, the insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan? I am pretty sure there are quite a few ex-military and/or law enforcement that have a lot of guns and ammo stashed away that are pretty upset with the way things are going.45-70Ag said:
The political and economic components needed for it aren't there.
Neither is the military component.
Throw in a couple of Toyota Tacomas and there could be problems.
You don't have to be ex-Military and/or law enforcement to have lots of guns and ammo stashed away.
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