No. It's over. Same count.aTmAg said:Have any democrats flipped to McCarthy?redcrayon said:Almost.aTmAg said:
Is the 5th vote over?
McCarthy getting speaker?
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nortex97 said:Boebert says that Trump called them and told them to "knock this off" and vote for McCarthy.
— Greg Price (@greg_price11) January 4, 2023
She then says that Trump should tell McCarthy to withdraw. pic.twitter.com/s7wVyh3pTY
Just posting this here because, umm, well, some of y'all/us needed a slight change in subject. Not to derail.
Bobo getting brave.
So McCarthy is hoping some dems will go home? I'm not a numbers guy. Does this help him?
Okay.. good. I was worried that Democrats near the end would start flipping to McCarthy and republicans wouldn't have the numbers to flip their votes to keep the traitor from winning.redcrayon said:No. It's over. Same count.aTmAg said:Have any democrats flipped to McCarthy?redcrayon said:Almost.aTmAg said:
Is the 5th vote over?
cool man what percentage of the country is on twitter?..Out of that how many are real people? 1 out of 20 on the street knows about this.. HTHNo Spin Ag said:girlfriend_experience said:
nobody outside of this threads cares about any of this.
You may want to include Twitter when talking about threads and people caring.
In the top 10 things trending on Twitter right now:
"20 Republicans"
"#kevinmcccarthy"
"Freedom Caucus"
"House Republicans"
TxAgPreacher said:
So McCarthy is hoping some dems will go home? I'm not a numbers guy. Does this help him?
If people leave the chamber, it lowers the number needed for a majority vote. The majority is determined by the votes present at the start of the vote.
girlfriend_experience said:cool man what percentage of the country is on twitter?..Out of that how many are real people? 1 out of 20 on the street knows about this.. HTHNo Spin Ag said:girlfriend_experience said:
nobody outside of this threads cares about any of this.
You may want to include Twitter when talking about threads and people caring.
In the top 10 things trending on Twitter right now:
"20 Republicans"
"#kevinmcccarthy"
"Freedom Caucus"
"House Republicans"
Hey, I just report; it's up to others to decide.
He ignored them until he couldn't.J. Walter Weatherman said:redcrayon said:
Wow, McCarthy hasn't even reached out to the Freedom Caucus. Terrible leader. He needs to be working with all 20.
He's been reaching out to them for months and they made numerous concessions already (Davidson outlined every single thing they've agreed to). The remaining holdouts current negotiating position is just "no", why would he continue trying?
He is playing 2yrs of catch-up in two days. He isn't a leader.
Are you bragging that most of America is ignorant?girlfriend_experience said:cool man what percentage of the country is on twitter?..Out of that how many are real people? 1 out of 20 on the street knows about this.. HTHNo Spin Ag said:girlfriend_experience said:
nobody outside of this threads cares about any of this.
You may want to include Twitter when talking about threads and people caring.
In the top 10 things trending on Twitter right now:
"20 Republicans"
"#kevinmcccarthy"
"Freedom Caucus"
"House Republicans"
So yes, it would help, as long as they were votes against him?? How many need to leave for him to win, with 21 republican defectors?Ag06Law said:TxAgPreacher said:
So McCarthy is hoping some dems will go home? I'm not a numbers guy. Does this help him?
If people leave the chamber, it lowers the number needed for a majority vote. The majority is determined by the votes present at the start of the vote.
32TxAgPreacher said:So yes, it would help, as long as they were votes against him?? How many need to leave for him to win, with 21 republican defectors?Ag06Law said:TxAgPreacher said:
So McCarthy is hoping some dems will go home? I'm not a numbers guy. Does this help him?
If people leave the chamber, it lowers the number needed for a majority vote. The majority is determined by the votes present at the start of the vote.
If 32 democrats vote present the Freedom Caucus will buzz in votes for the Democrat minority leader.98PercenterAg said:If 32 Democrats vote "present," it wins.Ellis Wyatt said:What does 202 votes do?74OA said:You do understand that 202 House Republicans voted for McCarthy, right?Ellis Wyatt said:
They're not running for Speaker. He obviously isn't a good leader as he has never had enough votes and he has done nothing to secure enough, other than threatening fellow republicans.
Sounds like an establishment dick to me.
Unlikely but possible.
That will force McCarthy to hold the vote open and do 1 of 3 things.
1) Whip more democrats into voting present.
2) Whip the 32 Democrats to change their vote from present to McCarthy (which could be political suicide).
3) Whip his own supporters to vote against himself.
And then? "More votes" is still not enough votes.rgag12 said:Ellis Wyatt said:They're not running for Speaker. He obviously isn't a good leader as he has never had enough votes and he has done nothing to secure enough, other than threatening fellow republicans.Aggie95 said:
Then they aren't very effective leaders either if they couldn't get this done on the best timeline. They should have won the first battle...when the caucus nominations were made.
Sounds like an establishment dick to me.
Like it or not, the "establishment" has a lot more votes than the freedom caucus.
McCarthy needs to withdraw.
What would be interesting is if the Democrats in the House chose a never Trumper Republican and voted for him or her. Then, if ten or more moderate Republicans were to vote for that that Republican, he would then become Speaker, at least until the House Republicans got their act together.
It would be really strange, though, for the House Democrats to vote for a Republican for Speaker, but it would be like poking the House Republicans and Trump in the eye.
It would be really strange, though, for the House Democrats to vote for a Republican for Speaker, but it would be like poking the House Republicans and Trump in the eye.
That wouldn't work. As soon as it's clear that they are leaving, republicans would defect from McCarthy.TxAgPreacher said:So yes, it would help, as long as they were votes against him?? How many need to leave for him to win, with 21 republican defectors?Ag06Law said:TxAgPreacher said:
So McCarthy is hoping some dems will go home? I'm not a numbers guy. Does this help him?
If people leave the chamber, it lowers the number needed for a majority vote. The majority is determined by the votes present at the start of the vote.
Democrats aren't going to reach across the aisle on this. They have their marching orders from Jeffries and POTUS Administration. Let the GOP continue to eat their own. They don't have anything on the docket they care about. They got their Omnibus bill through. McConnell and 18 (I think) Senators sold out conservatives and McCarthy did nothing to stop him.
NOT A LEADER
NOT A LEADER
zoneag said:J. Walter Weatherman said:redcrayon said:
Wow, McCarthy hasn't even reached out to the Freedom Caucus. Terrible leader. He needs to be working with all 20.
He's been reaching out to them for months and they made numerous concessions already (Davidson outlined every single thing they've agreed to). The remaining holdouts current negotiating position is just "no", why would he continue trying?
Wait, previously on this thread you have repeatedly said the holdouts had made no demands and were just being obstructionists. Now suddenly you claim McCarthy has been reaching out for months and has made concessions? Which is it? And what concessions has McCarthy made to their previously nonexistent demands?
Reading comprehension not a strong suit apparently. They made demands, McCarthy has mostly met them (just watch Davidson's speech), and their only remaining demand is that someone else is speaker.
No it won't. Their votes will simply move from Donalds to Jeffries. In this case 32 Dems voting present reduces Jeffries to 180, 21 HFC vote for him takes him to 201. In which case they would be electing him as speaker. If they did 18 or less, McCarthy wins with 201.
If they did only, say 19, he would hypothetically tie with McCarthy. That's the only scenario where they could "gotcha" McCarthy in this hypothetical, and he would only be one conversion from victory.
If they did only, say 19, he would hypothetically tie with McCarthy. That's the only scenario where they could "gotcha" McCarthy in this hypothetical, and he would only be one conversion from victory.
That's interesting. I would have thought it would depend on the final vote.Ag06Law said:TxAgPreacher said:
So McCarthy is hoping some dems will go home? I'm not a numbers guy. Does this help him?
If people leave the chamber, it lowers the number needed for a majority vote. The majority is determined by the votes present at the start of the vote.
If it is determined at the start of the vote, then how would voting "Present" reduce the votes needed for a majority?
Including Cornyn.Irish 2.0 said:
Democrats aren't going to reach across the aisle on this. They have their marching orders from Jeffries and POTUS Administration. Let the GOP continue to eat their own. They don't have anything on the docket they care about. They got their Omnibus bill through. McConnell and 18 (I think) Senators sold out conservatives and McCarthy did nothing to stop him.
NOT A LEADER
I can't wait for the SNL on this one.
eric76 said:That's interesting. I would have thought it would depend on the final vote.Ag06Law said:TxAgPreacher said:
So McCarthy is hoping some dems will go home? I'm not a numbers guy. Does this help him?
If people leave the chamber, it lowers the number needed for a majority vote. The majority is determined by the votes present at the start of the vote.
If it is determined at the start of the vote, then how would voting "Present" reduce the votes needed for a majority?
You're correct, I misspoke. I was thinking in terms of asking people to just not show up rather than vote present, but yes, ultimately what matters is who votes or does not vote by the end of the roll call.
That show is still on the air???GMaster0 said:
I can't wait for the SNL on this one.
By removing themselves from the pool of members voting "for a candidate" they reduce the threshold. Stupid rule IMOeric76 said:That's interesting. I would have thought it would depend on the final vote.Ag06Law said:TxAgPreacher said:
So McCarthy is hoping some dems will go home? I'm not a numbers guy. Does this help him?
If people leave the chamber, it lowers the number needed for a majority vote. The majority is determined by the votes present at the start of the vote.
If it is determined at the start of the vote, then how would voting "Present" reduce the votes needed for a majority?
If somebody doesn't answer what happens? Do they simply count that as not present and reduce the required vote?
thanks for the clarification. If I were the Dems I would double cross McCarthy to create more chaos.98PercenterAg said:
No it won't. Their votes will simply move from Donalds to Jeffries. In this case 34 Dems voting present reduces Jeffries to 178, 21 HFC vote for him takes him to 203
1. In which case they would be electing him as speaker. If they did 18 or less, McCarthy wins with 201.
If they did only, say 19, he would hypothetically tie with McCarthy. That's the only scenario where they could "gotcha" McCarthy in this hypothetical, and he would only be one conversion from victory.
Whatever dude, you repeatedly posted that they haven't made any specific demands, and when proven wrong you've now changed your tune. Re-read your posts from this morning to see the "evolution" in your story.J. Walter Weatherman said:zoneag said:J. Walter Weatherman said:redcrayon said:
Wow, McCarthy hasn't even reached out to the Freedom Caucus. Terrible leader. He needs to be working with all 20.
He's been reaching out to them for months and they made numerous concessions already (Davidson outlined every single thing they've agreed to). The remaining holdouts current negotiating position is just "no", why would he continue trying?
Wait, previously on this thread you have repeatedly said the holdouts had made no demands and were just being obstructionists. Now suddenly you claim McCarthy has been reaching out for months and has made concessions? Which is it? And what concessions has McCarthy made to their previously nonexistent demands?
Reading comprehension not a strong suit apparently. They made demands, McCarthy has mostly met them (just watch Davidson's speech), and their only remaining demand is that someone else is speaker.
TxAgPreacher said:That show is still on the air???GMaster0 said:
I can't wait for the SNL on this one.
God knows why. The last time it was even remotely funny was on that skit where Melissa McCarthy was pretending to be Sean Spicer. And even that barely got chuckles.
From https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3797676-mccarthy-floats-path-to-speakership-with-lower-vote-threshold/
Quote:
The House Speaker is elected by a majority of all those voting for a specific Speaker candidate, not necessarily all members. Those voting "present" and those who are absent do not count toward that total, lowering the threshold.
Corrected my post as it applied to votes on legislation and not to Speaker election.
Okay.98PercenterAg said:
Corrected my post as it applied to votes on legislation and not to Speaker election.
That explains it. I'll edit my post as well.
Daddy-O5 said:nortex97 said:Boebert says that Trump called them and told them to "knock this off" and vote for McCarthy.
— Greg Price (@greg_price11) January 4, 2023
She then says that Trump should tell McCarthy to withdraw. pic.twitter.com/s7wVyh3pTY
Just posting this here because, umm, well, some of y'all/us needed a slight change in subject. Not to derail.
Bobo getting brave.
She knows Trump is why she almost lost her race.
That none of these people care what Trump is telling them shows just how little influence he has now.
......or it could go this route with only a handful of Republicans needed to join with Dems to elect a Speaker:Ag06Law said:TxAgPreacher said:
So McCarthy is hoping some dems will go home? I'm not a numbers guy. Does this help him?
If people leave the chamber, it lowers the number needed for a majority vote. The majority is determined by the votes present at the start of the vote.
"For about as long as Kevin McCarthy's ascent to House speaker has been in doubt, he and his allies have invoked a nightmare scenario for the ultraconservative House Freedom Caucus: If they thwart him, a handful of Republicans could join with Democrats to elect a moderate GOP speaker.
The play is obvious. They want the Freedom Caucus to fall in line for fear of this outcome, however plausible or implausible. And the man some have floated as the would-be speaker in this scenario, former congressman Fred Upton (R-Mich.), says he's interested."
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